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Artest is still a thug
« on: June 04, 2010, 03:03:02 AM »

Offline rutzan

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watch the replays...i did...many times...he locked both of pierce's elbows behind his back during the takedown...just like howard did to pierce twice and perk once...the epitomy of flagrant fouls and dirty basketball is when you intentionally try to hurt someone...locking in elbows and following thru are dirty plays and that is why artest and howard are dirty players...and don't buy all that crap about perk and kg being dirty players...i don't care what poll you quote...they don't lock elbows and follow thru like artest and howard...

btw...did you see the cheap shots bynum and gasol gave perk after made baskets...

perk is running up court and bynum slaps at him...

next made basket...

bynum slaps at him and so does gasol a few steps later...

just trying to "T" Perk up...

what a bunch of sissies...

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 04:41:41 AM »

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So are we sissies or are we thugs?

I'm going to address this post in as unbiased a manner as I can. To tell me that KG isn't at least somewhat of a dirty player would be delusional. If you watch the Celtics regularly, and I'm assuming you do, then you should acknowledge that intimidation and rough play is a huge part of KG's game and frankly is the team mentality you pride yourselves on. Hell, it's the number one reason you all won the finals in 2008. The "lead with my shoulder" screens made me sick back then, but the system works. To punch someone in the face and expect them not to punch you back is just hypocritical. I'd like to assume most Celtics fans are more knowledgeable than this biased bostonian.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2010, 06:19:24 PM by ShowtimeRedux »

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 04:52:33 AM »

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This is a very physical game, and there's a big difference between an agressive player and a "dirty" player. When a professional player pulls down an opponent's shorts out of frustration, or goes into the stands in the middle of a game to have a fist-fight with a fan, it's safe to say he's in a class below-and-beyond most of the rest ... Artest is clearly such a player. Nothing he does surprises me, just the fact that he's even allowed to continue playing on this level. I don't think it's remotely realistic to lump KG in with the likes of Artest, Bowen, Laimbeer, etc..
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Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 04:58:10 AM »

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So are we sissies or are we thugs?

I'm going to address this post in as unbiased a manner as I can. To tell me that KG isn't at least somewhat of a dirty player would be delusional. If you watch the Celtics regularly, and I'm assuming you do, than you should acknowledge that intimidation and rough play is a huge part of KG's game and frankly is the team mentality you pride yourselves on. Hell, it's the number one reason you all won the finals in 2008. The "lead with my shoulder" screens made me sick back then, but the system works. To punch someone in the face and expect them not to punch you back is just hypocritical. I'd like to assume most Celtics fans are more knowledgeable than this biased bostonian.

i have no problem with other plays. but the artest move. well, no damage done but he initiated it and he was the one getting mad? i think hes trying to instigate pierce

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 05:10:15 AM »

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yes, setting illegal screens with malicious intent and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHnZff5S_k
are considered clean aggressive plays. I'm not going to sit here and say Artest hasn't had his share of plays that made him look bat**** crazy throughout his career, but the OP needs to understand that this team is ready to push back.

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 07:04:35 AM »

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So are we sissies or are we thugs?

I'm going to address this post in as unbiased a manner as I can. To tell me that KG isn't at least somewhat of a dirty player would be delusional. If you watch the Celtics regularly, and I'm assuming you do, than you should acknowledge that intimidation and rough play is a huge part of KG's game and frankly is the team mentality you pride yourselves on. Hell, it's the number one reason you all won the finals in 2008. The "lead with my shoulder" screens made me sick back then, but the system works. To punch someone in the face and expect them not to punch you back is just hypocritical. I'd like to assume most Celtics fans are more knowledgeable than this biased bostonian.

14 sissies + 1 thug = ?????????

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 07:16:47 AM »

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artest has always been a thug. now he is on a team to who refs have always been given the benefit of the doubt (to put it mildly). what do you expect to happen?

pierce got a technical last nite (part of a double) because ron artest is a lunatic. pierce did nothing, while artest tossed him to the ground thirty seconds into the game. it is a shame that a complete and total class act like PP gets equal treatment as one of the guys partially responsible for one of the biggest embarrassments in nba history at palace hills. only in a joey crawford/david stern world does that make sense.

if i was the ref, i would have set a tone. artest would have gotten a tech and a stern (no pun) warning that his crap would not be tolerated the rest of the series. the refs in no way cost the celts game one, but they did allow one team to be aggressive and one team was forced to play passively. i am not sure if bynum sleeps in the paint too or they actually make him go home, but i am still waiting for him to leave. gasol was awesome in game one, but i am amazed at bynum being in the paint and being allowed to go over the back all the time with no whistles.

and as far as the KB slap play, that is a nothing play and it is sad that phil jackson had to resort to that to point out an example of dirty play. not to mention it was called a foul, which was the correct call, especially since the ref warned kg on the first slap. it is even more sad that laker fans apparently look to phil, who is doing his typical politicking through the media, as a source of the truth.

if bynum pulls his act again in game two, i would have no problem if the celts "rambissed" him real early. and bynum is either exaggerating his knee injury, or healthy, he is a combination of shaq and david robinson.
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Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 08:37:01 AM »

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artest has always been a thug. now he is on a team to who refs have always been given the benefit of the doubt (to put it mildly). what do you expect to happen?

pierce got a technical last nite (part of a double) because ron artest is a lunatic. pierce did nothing, while artest tossed him to the ground thirty seconds into the game. it is a shame that a complete and total class act like PP gets equal treatment as one of the guys partially responsible for one of the biggest embarrassments in nba history at palace hills. only in a joey crawford/david stern world does that make sense.

if i was the ref, i would have set a tone. artest would have gotten a tech and a stern (no pun) warning that his crap would not be tolerated the rest of the series. the refs in no way cost the celts game one, but they did allow one team to be aggressive and one team was forced to play passively. i am not sure if bynum sleeps in the paint too or they actually make him go home, but i am still waiting for him to leave. gasol was awesome in game one, but i am amazed at bynum being in the paint and being allowed to go over the back all the time with no whistles.

and as far as the KB slap play, that is a nothing play and it is sad that phil jackson had to resort to that to point out an example of dirty play. not to mention it was called a foul, which was the correct call, especially since the ref warned kg on the first slap. it is even more sad that laker fans apparently look to phil, who is doing his typical politicking through the media, as a source of the truth.

if bynum pulls his act again in game two, i would have no problem if the celts "rambissed" him real early. and bynum is either exaggerating his knee injury, or healthy, he is a combination of shaq and david robinson.

- Laker fan here. Um, your post is a little puzzling. I don't get how any Celtic fan can complain about physical/dirty play. All I've seen on this board is how soft the Lakers now. Now all of a sudden, we win a game and we are dirty thugs?

On that first play both players got tangled. It doesn't help that they don't like each other. Refs should have called a double foul, not a double tech but ok, no harm done. You act like Ron hit Pierce or something. Sheesh.

So if the refs didn't cost you the game, how is it that they let the Lakers play one way and let the Celtics play another way? You guys got called for 2 more fouls yet shot 5 more fts.  ???

So you advocate Bynum getting Rambissed because you think he is camping in the paint too much? ****, complete definition of thuggish behavior don't you think?

Lastly, I'll repeat. Hearing a celtic fan complaining about the opponent being thuggish etc is crazy. You lost one game, series is very far from being over.

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 08:49:40 AM »

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I would be the last person to complain about a player being too physical.  We heard all the whiny Laker fans trolling on here a few years ago complaining about us being physical and now we are getting the infestation again with NUM5BBK and ShowtimeRedux among others.  Let's not stoop to their level. 

I will say that if this Commissioner had any balls Artest would never have been allowed back in the NBA after the "Malice in the Palace" incident.  Artest is really just an animal abusing scumbag.


Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 09:07:45 AM »

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If Artest is a thug, Paul is a flooper...and either are that
Artest is physical, and Paul sometimes wants some missed calls back...
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Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 10:19:44 AM »

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let's make this clear...

artest is a dirty player who trys to hurt people...

it's that simple...

i love hard, physical basketball...

heck...its' what the celtics are known for...

here's the distinction...

a dirty player and dirty basketball is when you intentionally try to hurt someone...

2 keys words here...intentional and hurt...

do kg and perk and the celtics go over the top sometimes...

yes...

do they try to intimidate...

yes...

but...

if you ever played basketball...

you know it's easy to get tangled up under the boards...

but...

locking elbows is always intentional...

locking 2 elbows which artest did is ridiculous...

watch the replay...he clearly locked 2 elbows...

to then follow thru on the takedown is intentional...

if you didn't see the locked elbows and takedown...

you need to watch the replays...

and trying to equate artest with a history of thuggery and pierce with flopping has no basis on logic...

so much so...

that it's ridiculous to address...

but it goes like this

if A...then B
if B...then C
so A...then C

it doesn't work...

it may be valid...but...it's not logical...

and...

to compare kg's karate chop against howard...

give me a break...

was it stupid...

yes...

was it childish and immature...

yes...

was he flagrantly and intentionally trying to hurt him...

give me a break...


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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 10:37:15 AM »

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with all that being said...

the lakers beat us...they earned it...

they played harder...

competed harder...

and...

were more aggressive...

we will respond with the same...

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 10:41:02 AM »

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They punched us in the mouth first and we staggered. The play was dirty but I wish we did something like that to tell you the truth. That play and all the bigs for the lakers crashing the offensive glass early set the tone for the game.


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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 12:08:38 PM »

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Artest may more may not be a thug.

If he is, he's our thug.

A thug that will be raising the trophy in Boston to the embarrassment of all Celtic fans.

Re: Artest is still a thug
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 12:21:17 PM »

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Well, I wouldn't call Ron Artest a Thug - he has a past? Sure. Do I think he has turned the corner from his past? Yep.

Even though what he did back in 2003 or 04 was certainly egregious, he has been ok since then.

Rick Adelman - his coach in HOU - loved him, and he played well there...now sure he had some flare-ups off the court that I read about, but nothing like the debacle in Detroit.

Artest was always an eccentric player - kind of Rodman-ish. Anytime a player will pull down an opponent's shorts during a game should tell you that he loves playing Mind Games.

While he is a physical player, I don't think he would resort to a Matt Barnes and shove folks out of bounds - yet. I'll give Ron Ron the benefit of the doubt here.

Looking back, that is why LA signed him and not Ariza - Ariza is more talented than Ron Ron, but Ron Ron has an Edge to him.

I wouldn't call him a Thug. I watched the game last night, and that game appeared (to me at least), to be less physical than the ORL or CLE series.

LA got one, and Ron Ron hit a few key buckets. The games resume on Sunday. We'll be back with a Vengeance.