Question About Barkley

[BKDomer]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

[Bankshot]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

[Roy Hobbs]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

[BKDomer]

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.


BINGO!  Its called entertainment - which, for better or worse has become part of sports (in my opinion, for the worse). 

I actually don't think his perspective on basketball is always poor - he clearly knows the game and the league.  I think in the case of the Celtics, he truly can't let go of his experience from his playing days and his hatred for the uniform, and otherwise he just gets caught up playing the role of the funny/outrageous guy.

[Bankshot]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

I saw him on the Monique show.  Yes he is dumb off the court.

[KCattheStripe]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

I saw him on the Monique show.  Yes he is dumb off the court.

The Monique show: A bastion of strong academic discussion.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

Of course he plays intentionally the buffoon, but that doesn't mean that his actual analysis is part of the act or that any of his comments are part of the act. He can be quite truthful in what he's saying but simply say it in a way that would portray him being a bit of a clown. But when we get to it, his analysis is his and his stance is his.

[Roy Hobbs]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

Of course he plays intentionally the buffoon, but that doesn't mean that his actual analysis is part of the act or that any of his comments are part of the act. He can be quite truthful in what he's saying but simply say it in a way that would portray him being a bit of a clown. But when we get to it, his analysis is his and his stance is his.

Sure, to some extent.  I imagine he thought the Cavs would win the series.  But was he so sure of it that he'd really bet his entire net worth?  Of course not.  He's over the top for effect.

Lots of bright people thought the Celts would lose against the Cavs.  Henry Abbott picked the Celtics to get swept, for instance.  It doesn't make these guys idiots, just non-believers.

[j804]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

Of course he plays intentionally the buffoon, but that doesn't mean that his actual analysis is part of the act or that any of his comments are part of the act. He can be quite truthful in what he's saying but simply say it in a way that would portray him being a bit of a clown. But when we get to it, his analysis is his and his stance is his.

Sure, to some extent.  I imagine he thought the Cavs would win the series.  But was he so sure of it that he'd really bet his entire net worth?  Of course not.  He's over the top for effect.

Lots of bright people thought the Celts would lose against the Cavs.  Henry Abbott picked the Celtics to get swept, for instance.  It doesn't make these guys idiots, just non-believers.

With Barkley I think it runs deeper, hes what you call a hater

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[moiso]

Haha, the Monique show comment cracked me up.  She may have the lowest IQ of any host of a show show that I have ever seen.  Barkley probably seemed like Ray Allen compared to her.
Barkley can come across as unintelligent at times, but he was an extremely intelligent basketball player.  Like Roy said about his being 6'5" and dominating under the rim.  Nobody else that height has ever figured out how to do it like he did.  And his passing was pretty good also.

[Bankshot]

Haha, the Monique show comment cracked me up.  She may have the lowest IQ of any host of a show show that I have ever seen.  Barkley probably seemed like Ray Allen compared to her.
Barkley can come across as unintelligent at times, but he was an extremely intelligent basketball player.  Like Roy said about his being 6'5" and dominating under the rim.  Nobody else that height has ever figured out how to do it like he did.  And his passing was pretty good also.

Did you see him on the show?  She actually seemed smarter than him.  It was amazing to watch.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I am old enough to say I watched Sir Charles play back then.  He was gifted(i.e. very strong especially upper body, great hops and hands).  As for BBIQ, I would say it was about avg.  Somewhere along the line, someone told him he can really shoot it from 3pt range - probaly Jordan  .  It turns out, he was horrible - what a surprise! - and lost tons of games to Jordan on Jordan's advice....

So he wasn't a smart player, just as I thought. His awful basketball analysis makes more sense now.

Oops, lets try again...
Barkley is alot of things as a broadcaster/analyst, but he was a truly great player.  Bona fide all timer.  The notion that he was not a smart player or somehow lacked in BBIQ is ridiculous.

Ok so he was a smart player.  I'm just trying to figure out how he could be so dumb about basketball.  I thought maybe him not being a smart player would explain things.

I think you need to separate the two things, BB IQ and actual IQ.

After watching a lot of these players interact on twitter or give interviews, I think there are, indeed, a lot of "dumb jocks" playing in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that these guys can't be savants on the court.  A lot of it is instinctual, and almost every great player has tremendous instincts.

That being said, I don't think Charles is dumb off the court, either.  I think he intentionally plays the buffoon, and makes a lot of money doing it.

Of course he plays intentionally the buffoon, but that doesn't mean that his actual analysis is part of the act or that any of his comments are part of the act. He can be quite truthful in what he's saying but simply say it in a way that would portray him being a bit of a clown. But when we get to it, his analysis is his and his stance is his.

Sure, to some extent.  I imagine he thought the Cavs would win the series.  But was he so sure of it that he'd really bet his entire net worth?  Of course not.  He's over the top for effect.

Lots of bright people thought the Celts would lose against the Cavs.  Henry Abbott picked the Celtics to get swept, for instance.  It doesn't make these guys idiots, just non-believers.

It's not really the conclusion one has a problem with, it's the thought process that goes behind it. And while those guys might not be idiots, they might not know basketball as well as they pretend to do... or simply they don't do research as well as they should.

For Charles, this goes beyond his TNT time. I don't think he's dumb, he's just not smart. But he knows basketball, but at times he focuses on the wrong elements and hence flawed predictions and analysis. But in no shape or form is what he's saying basketball wise is part of him acting the clown.

[Celtics17]

It's kind of funny, we are all sitting around debating Barkely's bbiq and he's making millions on tv making ridiculous comments. If you paid me millions I would make as ridiculous of a comment as you would like. Barkley was a great player and you dont do what he did at his height without having a very high bbiq. Now, what you should be questioning is not his bbiq but maybe just his general iq. But, then again, that is nothing but a test of 'middle class, white america' and that wouldnt be a fair test either. I hope noone takes that comment as prejudice but that is what iq tests are in general.