Where does Howard rank among centers of the past 30 years?

[housecall]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

This was not about comparing the two players...seems like some people are so quick to make something out of nothing.You have taken it out of context.I felt if Bird was a center he'd probably be like Sikma...thats my own opinion.This is not about whether he is/was better than Sikma.

[housecall]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

He shot 46% from the field for his career, by the way, not 48%.  Nothing great about that from a center, whether he shoots a lot of jump shots or not.

You're right he shot 46% but the posts were not about comparing the two players.Its my opinion that if Bird was a center in his playing days i felt Sikma was the player who he'd probably been most like.This was never about comparing them as which player is better.Tell me your player you feel Bird might have played with some similarities if he was taller and became a center?

[moiso]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

He shot 46% from the field for his career, by the way, not 48%.  Nothing great about that from a center, whether he shoots a lot of jump shots or not.

You're right he shot 46% but its a moot point because the posts was not about comparing the two players.Its my opinion that if Bird was a center in his playing days i felt Sikma was the player who he probably would've been most like.This was never about comparing them as which player is better.Tell me your player you feel he might have played most like if he were taller and played center in the NBA?

I can't think of such a player.  The only guys who combine Bird's passing and shooting ability are point guards like Steve Nash.  If Bird was a center he would be like a Dirk Nowitzki with the incredible passing ability.  I don't think you can really compare Bird with a true center for the most part.  If Jack Sikma passed like Magic Johnson and shot like Ray Allen then I'd agree.  But those are two big if's.

[indeedproceed]

I never watched Moses Malone play, but aren't Dwight Howard and Malone kind of similar in that they basically rebound, get garbage baskets, and defend...but Howard is a better defender?

[housecall]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

He shot 46% from the field for his career, by the way, not 48%.  Nothing great about that from a center, whether he shoots a lot of jump shots or not.

You're right he shot 46% but its a moot point because the posts was not about comparing the two players.Its my opinion that if Bird was a center in his playing days i felt Sikma was the player who he probably would've been most like.This was never about comparing them as which player is better.Tell me your player you feel he might have played most like if he were taller and played center in the NBA?

I can't think of such a player.  The only guys who combine Bird's passing and shooting ability are point guards like Steve Nash.  If Bird was a center he would be like a Dirk Nowitzki with the incredible passing ability.  I don't think you can really compare Bird with a true center for the most part.  If Jack Sikma passed like Magic Johnson and shot like Ray Allen then I'd agree.  But those are two big if's.

It doesn't seem like you followed Sikma as a player.Maybe im wrong but you sound like you are basing your facts on stats alone of players.Did you witness him playing during his NBA career?

[nbacardDOTnet]

dh12, the best(?) C player in the weakest C Players era.

dh12 's defense is great but dh12 is not all time level C Player.

rookie SHAQ




(not like dh12, SHAQ 's opponent were Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, rookie Mourning, Mutombo, Rik Smits, Vlade Divac etc. etc.)




prime SHAQ


prime (?) dh12



20091225, Christmas Match-up

Actually, he could get only 2 PTs against poor Shelden Williams.(until last 1 min of 3Q.)



This is all time level (?) dh12.

2010 Playoffs - Bobcats VS Magic series




really impressive. right ?



(just one game but) ZO could stop MJ like this.



Mutombo in 1994 POs (MT. Mutombo was not joke)




But dh12 's elbowing is all time level.
(might be) the craziest level through entire NBA history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgawbtKtzM

[housecall]

I never watched Moses Malone play, but aren't Dwight Howard and Malone kind of similar in that they basically rebound, get garbage baskets, and defend...but Howard is a better defender?

Malone was a much more polished player than Howard offensively,about equal defender,giving Malone the nod.I would take Malone over Howard at this stage of Howards career.Both players were similar in rebounding giving Howard the nod.Its a close one but i still would rate Malone a notch above Howard.(IMO)

[moiso]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

He shot 46% from the field for his career, by the way, not 48%.  Nothing great about that from a center, whether he shoots a lot of jump shots or not.

You're right he shot 46% but its a moot point because the posts was not about comparing the two players.Its my opinion that if Bird was a center in his playing days i felt Sikma was the player who he probably would've been most like.This was never about comparing them as which player is better.Tell me your player you feel he might have played most like if he were taller and played center in the NBA?

I can't think of such a player.  The only guys who combine Bird's passing and shooting ability are point guards like Steve Nash.  If Bird was a center he would be like a Dirk Nowitzki with the incredible passing ability.  I don't think you can really compare Bird with a true center for the most part.  If Jack Sikma passed like Magic Johnson and shot like Ray Allen then I'd agree.  But those are two big if's.

It doesn't seem like you followed Sikma as a player.Maybe im wrong but you sound like you are basing your facts on stats alone of players.Did you witness him playing during his NBA career?

I watched him on the Sonics and Bucks.  He was always a good player.  I just don't think he was near Bird's level, and I don't see how adding two inches to Bird's height would make him comparable to Jack Sikma.  The similarities I see are that both are tall guys who can shoot and rebound.  But Bird shot much better than Sikma and there is a much larger gap in terms of passing and court awareness.

[housecall]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

He shot 46% from the field for his career, by the way, not 48%.  Nothing great about that from a center, whether he shoots a lot of jump shots or not.

You're right he shot 46% but its a moot point because the posts was not about comparing the two players.Its my opinion that if Bird was a center in his playing days i felt Sikma was the player who he probably would've been most like.This was never about comparing them as which player is better.Tell me your player you feel he might have played most like if he were taller and played center in the NBA?

I can't think of such a player.  The only guys who combine Bird's passing and shooting ability are point guards like Steve Nash.  If Bird was a center he would be like a Dirk Nowitzki with the incredible passing ability.  I don't think you can really compare Bird with a true center for the most part.  If Jack Sikma passed like Magic Johnson and shot like Ray Allen then I'd agree.  But those are two big if's.

It doesn't seem like you followed Sikma as a player.Maybe im wrong but you sound like you are basing your facts on stats alone of players.Did you witness him playing during his NBA career?

I watched him on the Sonics and Bucks.  He was always a good player.  I just don't think he was near Bird's level, and I don't see how adding two inches to Bird's height would make him comparable to Jack Sikma.  The similarities I see are that both are tall guys who can shoot and rebound.  But Bird shot much better than Sikma and there is a much larger gap in terms of passing and court awareness.

Thats your opinion but i see it differently.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'd go with Sikma being on the List - no question. I just pulled up his stats from NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=jack_sikma

7 All-Star appearances....not sure if he made any defensive teams, but he was an above average center, IMO, in a golden age of centers.

I remember his games against us back in those days....he had that deadly accurate J, but yet would always seem to get Milwaukee at least 10 rebs per.

I wouldn't even compare him to Larry, because they played different spots. But yeah IMO Jack was the real deal.

[guava_wrench]

I'd go with Sikma being on the List - no question. I just pulled up his stats from NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=jack_sikma

7 All-Star appearances....not sure if he made any defensive teams, but he was an above average center, IMO, in a golden age of centers.

I remember his games against us back in those days....he had that deadly accurate J, but yet would always seem to get Milwaukee at least 10 rebs per.

I wouldn't even compare him to Larry, because they played different spots. But yeah IMO Jack was the real deal.

Wow, Troy Murphy could have been the man back in the day!

[BballTim]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

This was not about comparing the two players...seems like some people are so quick to make something out of nothing.You have taken it out of context.I felt if Bird was a center he'd probably be like Sikma...thats my own opinion.This is not about whether he is/was better than Sikma.

  That's kind of like asking which center Rondo would be like. No player taller than Bird had anywhere near his skill set. The closest you could come is if a healthy Walton could shoot like Dirk from the outside, or maybe if you gave Dirk Rondo's passing ability. Bigger players like Bird just don't exist.

[Bankshot]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

This was not about comparing the two players...seems like some people are so quick to make something out of nothing.You have taken it out of context.I felt if Bird was a center he'd probably be like Sikma...thats my own opinion.This is not about whether he is/was better than Sikma.

  That's kind of like asking which center Rondo would be like. No player taller than Bird had anywhere near his skill set. The closest you could come is if a healthy Walton could shoot like Dirk from the outside, or maybe if you gave Dirk Rondo's passing ability. Bigger players like Bird just don't exist.

Lebron?

[housecall]

I'd go with Sikma being on the List - no question. I just pulled up his stats from NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=jack_sikma

7 All-Star appearances....not sure if he made any defensive teams, but he was an above average center, IMO, in a golden age of centers.

I remember his games against us back in those days....he had that deadly accurate J, but yet would always seem to get Milwaukee at least 10 rebs per.

I wouldn't even compare him to Larry, because they played different spots. But yeah IMO Jack was the real deal.

TP...glad you ck'd Sikma's stats and feel he should be on the list.

[moiso]

Even though Jack Sikma started his career before 1980 he ended up playing thru the mid eighties.He was a better center than 80 to 90 % of your list.(imo)

Not sure if he'd rank better than 80-90% of centers on the list, but he deserves to be on there.

Its my own opinion because i actually witness his career and not thru stats only.He was a taller Bird with center/pf skills.If there had been a three pt in his day,i think he would have been the only center with that range in history.He never gets his due because Kareem overshadowed him.

  I watched Sikma as well. He was a good player, no doubt, but Bird was miles better.

This is not about Sikma being better or worst than Bird but to give him an idea the type of player he was if they were of the same height.

  Sikma was only a couple of inches taller. That comparison makes my head hurt. Bird without the passing or shotmaking ability maybe?

Jack had very good passing skills and shot.48% from the field..wikipedia says:quote"Sikma was one of most accurate shooting centers in NBA history...alone with his accurate shooting,Sikma led the league in defensive rebounding from 81-82 and 82-83".He also made over 200 three-pointers during his career as a center.

  You're comparing arguably one of the more accurate shooting center in nba history with arguably the best shooter at any position in the history of the league. Same with the passing, only probably a wider gulf.

This was not about comparing the two players...seems like some people are so quick to make something out of nothing.You have taken it out of context.I felt if Bird was a center he'd probably be like Sikma...thats my own opinion.This is not about whether he is/was better than Sikma.

  That's kind of like asking which center Rondo would be like. No player taller than Bird had anywhere near his skill set. The closest you could come is if a healthy Walton could shoot like Dirk from the outside, or maybe if you gave Dirk Rondo's passing ability. Bigger players like Bird just don't exist.

Lebron?

Magic and Lebron are probably the most similar.  All similar heights and all great passers.  Of course Bird has the shooting advantage and Lebron the athletic advantage.