Rasheed Signing a Bust (Poll)?

[JSD]

The 76ers are going hard after Larry Brown once the Bobcats are knocked out of the playoffs. This will make dumping Rasheed easier for the Celtics as Brown takes over the GM and coaching role. Wallace's Philadelphia homecoming could be a good sell in lessening the embarrassment of the all out courting last summer too.


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Rasheed for Louis Williams straight up works and would solve our backup PG need with a combo guard off the bench.

I'm not sure that they'd move anybody of value for Rasheed, but at this point, I'd do Rasheed + filler for Dalembert.

$12 Million Center coming off the bench huh? Unless that Filler happens to be KP.

Well, it gives you some nice cap savings the following season, and it gives you a little more flexibility to trade Perk this offseason, to try to get value for him, before he leaves as a FA the following season.

I think that's what it would take to get the deal done. I would trade Perk and Sheed for Dalembert in a heartbeat.

[Chris]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

[JSD]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

I think it's a pretty good and fair trade straight up.

[Roy Hobbs]

The 76ers are going hard after Larry Brown once the Bobcats are knocked out of the playoffs. This will make dumping Rasheed easier for the Celtics as Brown takes over the GM and coaching role. Wallace's Philadelphia homecoming could be a good sell in lessening the embarrassment of the all out courting last summer too.


"76ers Waiting For Larry Brown" http://realgm.com/


Rasheed for Louis Williams straight up works and would solve our backup PG need with a combo guard off the bench.

I'm not sure that they'd move anybody of value for Rasheed, but at this point, I'd do Rasheed + filler for Dalembert.

Your quote gives the impression that Dalembert is rather worthless.  Quite frankly I thought he did pretty well this year, and excelled in blocking shots and rebounding.  I really wish he were on this team now, and would give more than just Wallace and "filler" for him.  

Edit:  Didn't realize his contract value was so high.  I'd still do it though.

Trust me, Dalembert is a guy who can't be evaluated through a box score.  He's got a ton of talent, but he lacks in focus, and occasionally is prone to Tony Allen-like decision making.  The Sixers have been trying to move him for years.  It's not because he's worthless (in basketball talent), but because he's really not a player that can be relied upon.

He'd be a failure as a starting center, but off the bench he'd be fine, in my opinion.  However, as Chris mentions, there may be better trades for Philly out there than Rasheed, who combines all of Dalembert's downside with none of his positive qualities.

[Roy Hobbs]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

Absolutely I'd do it. 

[JSD]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

Absolutely I'd do it. 

Of Course. What about without the picks Roy?

[GreenFaith1819]

I think he is a bust because his regular season was so underwhelming. Especially disappointing has been his lateral speed in the post on defense, his lack of lift and desire to box out properly in rebounding and his penchant for three point shots that he clearly can not hit at an acceptable rate any longer.

Because of these things, his help defense and rotations have been abysmal all year, his rebounding is awful for a man of his size(11.2 rebound rate!!!), and his offense has struggled mightily.

These were the specific reasons he was brought into this team. To rebound, play defense and score off the bench consistently. He hasn't.

And when you sign a player to be your all important sixth man and pay him accordingly and he brings close to nothing to the table in the playoffs, he is hurting the team. You want to have an opinion that a sixth man can produce nothing and but say he isn't hurting the team, by all means have that opinion. But by contributing NOTHING when SOMETHING is not only expected but is being paid for, you are hurting your team. But then again that is just my opinion.

Question I have for the 20 or so people who have not determined if he is a bust yet:

If the playoffs were over, right now, this instant and the same question was posed, "Is Rasheed a bust?", is your answer yes or no?

Nick - You make things difficult .

I would say that the Sheed signing was less than originally envisioned....so Far.

Here's a Question, though: Say Sheed (starting tomorrow Night) averages 12 pts, 5-6 rebs, 1.5 blocks, and a few steals the remainder of the playoffs, through June? We beat CLE, ORL, then beat LA in 6 games to win Banner 18 in June.

About two weeks after the Duckbboat celebrations, Sheed discloses to the media that he was in fact bored during the regular season, and hurt for a portion of it. But he still likes the team and wants to come back.

Do we bring him back? Knowing that we will have him only part-time until the Playoffs started in April 2011? If it meant we'd get Banner 19?

Just a thought, folks.

[Who]

I still think Sheed could be useful against the Cavs, and if they get past them, the Magic...however, there is no doubt he is a bust for the amount they paid him.  He needed to be a difference maker, and now, he is (at best) a 6 foul guy.

I think Sheed will be useful against the Cavs if Cleveland play their big immobile centers (Shaq/Ilgauskas) but I would expect him to be a liability if they play smaller up front (more minutes for Jamison/Varejao/Hickson).

It all -- Sheed's effectiveness -- depends on Cleveland's approach.

[Roy Hobbs]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

Absolutely I'd do it. 

Of Course. What about without the picks Roy?

Not without the picks.  I've had the pleasure of watching Dalembert over the past several seasons, and I can tell you that his numbers overrate his drastically.  He's a step down from Perk defensively (or multiple steps down), and offensively, I don't think he'd be any better than Perk in our offense.

[Chris]

OK, how about this.  Would you do Wallace, Perk, and #19 for Dalembert and #6?

I have a feeling that is still not good enough for Philly, but it could be interesting.

Absolutely I'd do it. 

Of Course. What about without the picks Roy?

Not without the picks.  I've had the pleasure of watching Dalembert over the past several seasons, and I can tell you that his numbers overrate his drastically.  He's a step down from Perk defensively (or multiple steps down), and offensively, I don't think he'd be any better than Perk in our offense.

Agreed.  And more importantly, this team needs assets to rebuild/reload.  They cannot use Perk just to unload a year of Wallace's salary, without getting value in return.  If that's the price, they are better off eating Wallace's salary, and then trying to get more value for Perk in a straight up trade (or hold on to him, if he agrees to a reasonable contract).

I still think Sheed could be useful against the Cavs, and if they get past them, the Magic...however, there is no doubt he is a bust for the amount they paid him.  He needed to be a difference maker, and now, he is (at best) a 6 foul guy.

I think Sheed will be useful against the Cavs if Cleveland play their big immobile centers (Shaq/Ilgauskas) but I would expect him to be a liability if they play smaller up front (more minutes for Jamison/Varejao/Hickson).

It all -- Sheed's effectiveness -- depends on Cleveland's approach.

I agree.  If they go with the quicker guys, Wallace won't stand a chance...and really, neither will the C's.  I think the C's chances in that series would rise with each minute Shaq plays over Varajao.

[wdleehi]

The 76ers are going hard after Larry Brown once the Bobcats are knocked out of the playoffs. This will make dumping Rasheed easier for the Celtics as Brown takes over the GM and coaching role. Wallace's Philadelphia homecoming could be a good sell in lessening the embarrassment of the all out courting last summer too.


"76ers Waiting For Larry Brown" http://realgm.com/


Rasheed for Louis Williams straight up works and would solve our backup PG need with a combo guard off the bench.

I'm not sure that they'd move anybody of value for Rasheed, but at this point, I'd do Rasheed + filler for Dalembert.

$12 Million Center coming off the bench huh? Unless that Filler happens to be KP.

The question becomes, what's better:  a $7 million center who adds nothing, or a $12 million center who can at least contribute?

Would they do that though?  Dalembert is an expiring contract.  The "filler" would have to be something of value to make it worth it for them.

I actually think we would have a better chance of working out a deal with Charlotte, who have the UNC connection, and have loved bringing in anyone who might bring in some local interest.  Plus, Charlotte has more guys they might be looking to get rid of.

Good point, although I get the sense that an expiring contract holds less value in Philly, since they have no interest in taking on long-term salary.  Therefore, it's not going to be something that lands them a superstar, in my opinion.  You're probably right, though, that to take on Rasheed's extra year, they'd need a sweetener.

Charlotte definitely could be a possibility, as well.  I think any trade of Rasheed is basically going to have to amount to a salary dump, though; any player we take back is going to be flawed, whether it be over-priced or just not that talented.

I think the target should be something other the the defensive C.  Look at some of the younger guys that don't fit Brown's idea of playing right.

[Mr October]

If the playoffs were over, right now, this instant and the same question was posed, "Is Rasheed a bust?", is your answer yes or no?

If the season ended right now, yes, I would label Sheed a bust. I expected more improvement to kick in by now.

And I was down with a 2 year deal... not so much a 3 year one.

[CDawg834]

I think he is a bust because his regular season was so underwhelming. Especially disappointing has been his lateral speed in the post on defense, his lack of lift and desire to box out properly in rebounding and his penchant for three point shots that he clearly can not hit at an acceptable rate any longer.

Because of these things, his help defense and rotations have been abysmal all year, his rebounding is awful for a man of his size(11.2 rebound rate!!!), and his offense has struggled mightily.

These were the specific reasons he was brought into this team. To rebound, play defense and score off the bench consistently. He hasn't.

And when you sign a player to be your all important sixth man and pay him accordingly and he brings close to nothing to the table in the playoffs, he is hurting the team. You want to have an opinion that a sixth man can produce nothing and but say he isn't hurting the team, by all means have that opinion. But by contributing NOTHING when SOMETHING is not only expected but is being paid for, you are hurting your team. But then again that is just my opinion.

Question I have for the 20 or so people who have not determined if he is a bust yet:

If the playoffs were over, right now, this instant and the same question was posed, "Is Rasheed a bust?", is your answer yes or no?

Nick - You make things difficult .

I would say that the Sheed signing was less than originally envisioned....so Far.

Here's a Question, though: Say Sheed (starting tomorrow Night) averages 12 pts, 5-6 rebs, 1.5 blocks, and a few steals the remainder of the playoffs, through June? We beat CLE, ORL, then beat LA in 6 games to win Banner 18 in June.

About two weeks after the Duckbboat celebrations, Sheed discloses to the media that he was in fact bored during the regular season, and hurt for a portion of it. But he still likes the team and wants to come back.

Do we bring him back? Knowing that we will have him only part-time until the Playoffs started in April 2011? If it meant we'd get Banner 19?

Just a thought, folks.

Not at $7 million for the next two years.  If you think he's unmotivated now, imagine him in the "hangover" year after winning another title.

[dark_lord]

to date, i think it has been a bust.....BUT i think we have to let the postseason play out b4 we can say for sure.  

if he is in fact a bust, i do not blame the celtics one bit.  he was highly desired and sought after by numerous contenders at the time of the signing.  the celtics attempted to fix their biggest mistake and weakness from the previous season, which was their bench. 

if he is a bust, it all falls on sheed.

[LooseCannon]

Let's compare Rasheed Wallace to the big men who signed some of the bigger contracts just after Sheed was taken off the free agent board by the Celtics.

Would the Celtics have been better off with Antonio McDyess (who reportedly didn't want to go to Boston anyways) or Brandon Bass?