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Minutes / Strategy heading into the playoffs...?
« on: March 23, 2010, 11:22:39 AM »

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It would seem that the team's master plan heading into the playoffs would be to chase down Orlando, secure the second best overall record in the east and secure homecourt advantage against everyone but Cleveland.

The thinking would go that "homecourt advantage is always a good thing to have come playoff time." And I still think it is, even if we're playing just as good or better on the road this season.

But when you look at the box score and see the minutes played in the last game of a road trip with a day off and the next game at home, and you see:

Pierce: 30 minutes
KG: 26.13 minutes
Ray: 30.10 minutes
KP: 23.52 minutes..

You would think you'd go "all in" to get this one, then focus on putting together another streak with a string of upcoming home games...

To the contrary, it seems the main goals are:

1. Continue resting the starters ( particularly the big three) from now through the end of the regular season, let them work off the remaining nagging injuries, and get to 100% and fully rested heading into the playoffs.

2. Maintain the 3rd position in the east with homecourt against everyone but the Cavs and Magic.

This is where I expect they will land, 3rd position.

Does anyone know, given Orlando at the two spot, what our path would be? I know #3 plays #6, so as is right now, we'd avoid Atlanta and Milwaukee in the 1st. But do we play the winners of that series in the second or the winners of whoever Orlando plays?

And what are your thoughts? Do you think we are plyaing for 3rd spot, taking as much rest as we can, while keeping our grip on the #3 spot?   

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 11:42:30 AM »

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Does anyone know, given Orlando at the two spot, what our path would be? I know #3 plays #6, so as is right now, we'd avoid Atlanta and Milwaukee in the 1st. But do we play the winners of that series in the second or the winners of whoever Orlando plays?
 

Are you seriously asking that? I don't want to poke fun, but I don't expect questions like that from a Celtics fan who has enough interest to spend time on a bball forum and who has nearly 800 posts.


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Re: Minutes / Strategy heading into the playoffs...?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 11:50:14 AM »

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Firstly I think we are trying to secure the 3rd seed...I really don't think we will be able to catch up to Orlando. They have 5 more wins and 4 less losses than we do. But if somehow by some miracle we can get no.2 then I would be pretty happy.

Other than that I don't really think this year HCA will matter much to us especially how we have been playing at home.

And I do agree with the comment that you made about the minutes. I'd rather have the starters play limited minutes now, because in playoffs they will be playing a lot of minutes and we need them to be completely healthy and fully energized.

I have been saying this for some time now.....our guys healthy is what will give us a good playoff run...and if that means limiting mins which result into a few losses...then let it be.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 12:01:46 PM »

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I might be the only one on Celticsblog.com who believes this, but I highly doubt that playing 4 or 5 less minutes a night now, with only 12 games left in the season, is going to make one bit of difference come playoff time. Now is the time to start buildng momentum and to win some games. If you really want to rest guys for the playoffs, then they should be giving guys 1,2 or even 3 games off before the playoffs start. And, that means they should win the next 7-9 games and try to win the third seed so they can give their key players full games off to rest their weary bones and muscles, right before the playoffs begin.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 01:19:34 PM »

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I might be the only one on Celticsblog.com who believes this, but I highly doubt that playing 4 or 5 less minutes a night now, with only 12 games left in the season, is going to make one bit of difference come playoff time. Now is the time to start buildng momentum and to win some games. If you really want to rest guys for the playoffs, then they should be giving guys 1,2 or even 3 games off before the playoffs start. And, that means they should win the next 7-9 games and try to win the third seed so they can give their key players full games off to rest their weary bones and muscles, right before the playoffs begin.

I agree with everything you said in that post.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 01:24:59 PM »

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I might be the only one on Celticsblog.com who believes this, but I highly doubt that playing 4 or 5 less minutes a night now, with only 12 games left in the season, is going to make one bit of difference come playoff time. Now is the time to start buildng momentum and to win some games. If you really want to rest guys for the playoffs, then they should be giving guys 1,2 or even 3 games off before the playoffs start. And, that means they should win the next 7-9 games and try to win the third seed so they can give their key players full games off to rest their weary bones and muscles, right before the playoffs begin.

I agree with everything you said in that post.

Tp. They might be being extra cautious here. It's about time to start ramping up minutes you are right.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 01:45:33 PM »

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If anything I'd like to see them stretch out KG - make sure he can go 40 if he needs to.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 04:32:45 PM »

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No worries Poke fun Eddie20, I'm an admited disaster with that stuff, thanks for the heads up and that's what I thought.

Completely agree with you Vinnie as well. I would rather secure third and then rest my guys for a bit.

That's why I was confused the big three only played under 30 mins against Utah.

Makes me think they are going to rest them as much as possible along the way, maybe hoping Atlanta drops a few more games than them so we secure the 3rd and then can also rest the big three for a few games at the tale end of the season as well.


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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 04:41:46 PM »

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I might be the only one on Celticsblog.com who believes this, but I highly doubt that playing 4 or 5 less minutes a night now, with only 12 games left in the season, is going to make one bit of difference come playoff time. Now is the time to start buildng momentum and to win some games. If you really want to rest guys for the playoffs, then they should be giving guys 1,2 or even 3 games off before the playoffs start. And, that means they should win the next 7-9 games and try to win the third seed so they can give their key players full games off to rest their weary bones and muscles, right before the playoffs begin.

Agreed. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 04:47:42 PM »

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It would seem that the team's master plan heading into the playoffs would be to chase down Orlando, secure the second best overall record in the east and secure homecourt advantage against everyone but Cleveland.

The thinking would go that "homecourt advantage is always a good thing to have come playoff time." And I still think it is, even if we're playing just as good or better on the road this season.

But when you look at the box score and see the minutes played in the last game of a road trip with a day off and the next game at home, and you see:

Pierce: 30 minutes
KG: 26.13 minutes
Ray: 30.10 minutes
KP: 23.52 minutes..

You would think you'd go "all in" to get this one, then focus on putting together another streak with a string of upcoming home games...

To the contrary, it seems the main goals are:

1. Continue resting the starters ( particularly the big three) from now through the end of the regular season, let them work off the remaining nagging injuries, and get to 100% and fully rested heading into the playoffs.

2. Maintain the 3rd position in the east with homecourt against everyone but the Cavs and Magic.

This is where I expect they will land, 3rd position.

Does anyone know, given Orlando at the two spot, what our path would be? I know #3 plays #6, so as is right now, we'd avoid Atlanta and Milwaukee in the 1st. But do we play the winners of that series in the second or the winners of whoever Orlando plays?

And what are your thoughts? Do you think we are plyaing for 3rd spot, taking as much rest as we can, while keeping our grip on the #3 spot?   

  I don't think that, aside from possibly KG, Doc goes into games with minutes in mind. I think that he tries to milk his bench play to get the starters rest so he leavres them in longer if they aren't stinking up hte joint.

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 04:56:45 PM »

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TP for starting a thread that is a universal Celtics topic.  This place is a much happier place to be when its mostly Celtic topics (strategy, etc) and not focusing on one player, which inevitably creates controversy and heated debate that can't be resolved (Davis vs Powe, etc).

That said, if KGs knee is not getting sore after games then I think he needs to get a few more minutes.  If I were Doc I'd push to see the following things:

-Show that everyone on the team can play a full 48 minute game with high intensity.

-Get the 3rd seed in the playoffs.  This is a near must in my mind.

-An effective 5-man unit that comprised of some bench and some starters.  Doc was quoted as saying "no way I'd go with 5 non-starters all at once in the playoffs," but quite frankly I see 5 non-starters playing together every game it seems.  I'd really like to see them play the last 5-8 regular season games in a manner that resembles a "must win" attitude. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 05:15:21 PM »

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 I don't think that, aside from possibly KG, Doc goes into games with minutes in mind. I think that he tries to milk his bench play to get the starters rest so he leavres them in longer if they aren't stinking up hte joint.
Since the all-star break he's clearly been pacing the starters minutes more than in the first half.

He's used the 5 man bench more frequently and stuck with the bench more often. A big part of that is having the entire bench we thought we'd have, plus Finley and Robinson, available. But I definitely think he's been trying to avoid what happened last year.

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 05:48:57 PM »

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I say we just make the [dang] playoffs and whoever we play, we play...Good teams dont pick and choose who they want to play in the plsyoffs, they get there, play who they are given and they win without excuses.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 06:12:29 PM »

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Continue with the same rotation and work to get the best seed you can.  If they win all 6 games at on the home stand go for 2nd place.

More than likely they win all 6 but, still come up short and get 3rd which is my goal anyway.

I really don't see very much difference with the rotation when the playoffs begin.  No bench only rotations but, all the reserves will play a role.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 06:20:40 PM »

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I say we just make the [dang] playoffs and whoever we play, we play...Good teams dont pick and choose who they want to play in the plsyoffs, they get there, play who they are given and they win without excuses.
We've already made the playoffs  8).