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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2010, 04:01:57 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.
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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2010, 04:08:33 PM »

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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2010, 04:13:32 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.

How is this discussion "unappreciative?"  You guys who can't have a civil discussion when it comes to critiquing the strengths and weaknesses of a player are a trip. 

Is it ever okay to show dissatisfaction with the performance of a player?  Should we always blow green sunshine up each other's arses?

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2010, 04:15:33 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.

How is this discussion "unappreciative?"  You guys who can't have a civil discussion when it comes to critiquing the strengths and weaknesses of a player are a trip. 

Is it ever okay to show dissatisfaction with the performance of a player?  Should we always blow green sunshine up each other's arses?

ur argument lost all its repsect in my eyes when u said he should be fined everytime he gets blown by...

How about everytime he blows by the other point guard?? This argument is just nonsense

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2010, 04:27:25 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.

How is this discussion "unappreciative?"  You guys who can't have a civil discussion when it comes to critiquing the strengths and weaknesses of a player are a trip. 

Is it ever okay to show dissatisfaction with the performance of a player?  Should we always blow green sunshine up each other's arses?

ur argument lost all its repsect in my eyes when u said he should be fined everytime he gets blown by...

How about everytime he blows by the other point guard?? This argument is just nonsense

While I was exaggerating there, isn't it true that players on several teams over the years have gotten $50 fines or $100 fines for repeating a mistake that coaches have tried to drill in them in practice over and over?  Have you read any historical books on the NBA?  This is something that's been done for over 50 years!

I don't want to devolve this into an argument of whether he should be fined, because that's not my point.  But back to your second point, Rondo driving by other PGs?  Any coach worth his salt would never praise a guy for blowing past his man for a layup if he gives up just as many on the defensive end.

Your point about Rondo doing it to others as some sort of justification for a lack of fundamental defense is just silly.

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2010, 04:40:03 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.

That's right. This team is by far the greatest team ever to step foot on a basketball court. Every single player out there is the best at his position to ever play the game. There are no deficiencies in any one of their games and we should be happy because we are undefeated on the year and blowing out every team that we match up against…

What's that? We are getting beat consistently by every contender out there? We barely squeak out wins against bad teams?! How could that be?! These players are above reproach and question. How baffling...

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2010, 04:45:49 PM »

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This thread sums up a lot of the unappreciative posters here, that stink this place up with their negativity. Wow.

That's right. This team is by far the greatest team ever to step foot on a basketball court. Every single player out there is the best at his position to ever play the game. There are no deficiencies in any one of their games and we should be happy because we are undefeated on the year and blowing out every team that we match up against…

What's that? We are getting beat consistently by every contender out there? We barely squeak out wins against bad teams?! How could that be?! These players are above reproach and question. How baffling...

Finally!  Someone that can actually SEE what's going on.  By no means am I saying you agree with me.  You probably don't as I seem to be alone in my opinion.

But at least you understand that critique is not being "unappreciative" and "brings the board down' or whatever that is supposed to mean.

As long as someone can back up a critique with observations and some basketball knowledge, there really shouldn't be any problem with discussing faults.

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2010, 05:05:28 PM »

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It's not that people aren't getting what you are saying it's just that in a lot of ways, you are just plain wrong

First, he did not immediately take the ball down and start some play he was immediately removed and was shown gasping for air on national television

He didn't do what you would have done because he was EXHAUSTED

But no matter how many times this has been pointed out you continue with this point of laziness

Does Rondo have bad habits, absolutely
Is he the best at keeping his man in front of him, no
Does he have the ability to get better, yes

But what you are interpreting as laziness is nothing more than bad habits brought about by years and years of being the fastest, quickest,smartest, most dexterous, most athletic player on the court by a wide, wide margin which allowed him to cheat and make the big play instead of playing it the correct way and just getting a stop

He's young and the coaches have admitted that breaking him of these habits will be tough(I hear the most infuriating one is that he doesn't square up as a defender but plays to the side of his man which is what is allowing fast PGs to get that step on him and blow by him)

What you are seeing is not laziness

Everything about his game screams the complete opposite of laziness

His full court pressure
His hounding of defensive rebounders for a steal to slow the fast break
His leading the fast break
His running the ball up the court to increase the pace
His being the only player consistently crashing the offensive boards
His constant motion and movement off the ball on both ends of the court

Rondo is young and full of bad habits

That is what you are seeing and that is what a lot of people here are seeing and that's why when you continue with this line of criticism people are knocking you for undue negativity

If you have the basketball knowledge then know that great young players always have bad habits born from being that much physically gifted and talented than everybody on the floor for years and that it's the coaches job to break them of these habits

If you have experience in coaching or knowledge of the game, as you claim, you should know this
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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2010, 05:22:51 PM »

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It's not that people aren't getting what you are saying it's just that in a lot of ways, you are just plain wrong

First, he did not immediately take the ball down and start some play he was immediately removed and was shown gasping for air on national television

He didn't do what you would have done because he was EXHAUSTED

But no matter how many times this has been pointed out you continue with this point of laziness

Does Rondo have bad habits, absolutely
Is he the best at keeping his man in front of him, no
Does he have the ability to get better, yes

But what you are interpreting as laziness is nothing more than bad habits brought about by years and years of being the fastest, quickest,smartest, most dexterous, most athletic player on the court by a wide, wide margin which allowed him to cheat and make the big play instead of playing it the correct way and just getting a stop

He's young and the coaches have admitted that breaking him of these habits will be tough(I hear the most infuriating one is that he doesn't square up as a defender but plays to the side of his man which is what is allowing fast PGs to get that step on him and blow by him)

What you are seeing is not laziness

Everything about his game screams the complete opposite of laziness

His full court pressure
His hounding of defensive rebounders for a steal to slow the fast break
His leading the fast break
His running the ball up the court to increase the pace
His being the only player consistently crashing the offensive boards
His constant motion and movement off the ball on both ends of the court

Rondo is young and full of bad habits

That is what you are seeing and that is what a lot of people here are seeing and that's why when you continue with this line of criticism people are knocking you for undue negativity

If you have the basketball knowledge then know that great young players always have bad habits born from being that much physically gifted and talented than everybody on the floor for years and that it's the coaches job to break them of these habits

If you have experience in coaching or knowledge of the game, as you claim, you should know this

You make a lot of good points, but let me counter with a few things.

1. Perhaps I should change my phrasing of "laziness" to "bad habits" but to me, when a weakness is pointed out, as you have said this specific weakness has to Rondo, then it is no longer a "bad habit" (which I perceive as coming from ignorance of the right way to do something) and has in fact turned into "laziness" or "hard-headedness."  A subtlety, but an important one in my book.  If you told your employee to stop going on Facebook (or CelticsBlog.com) for hours a day, but he/she continued to do so, would you call it a "bad habit" or "laziness."  Let's agree to disagree here.

2.  If you go back and watch the replay, after he gives up the layup, he gets the inbounds pass, dribbles up faster than walking (but not sprinting), gets a pick at the top of the key, and blows past his man for an AWESOME layup.  Then he's pulled.  If he was exhausted during the play where he lost the ball to the point where he couldn't try to play correct defense, then he shouldn't have had the energy to do what he did on offense. I wish I could show the replay of this sequence to prove it.  Oh well.

3. You are 100% correct as to how he has attained this "bad habit."  Being the most athletic freak on the court has meant he doesn't have to survive on technique and hustle.  As someone who had to play smart to have any chance to keep up with more athletic opponents, I just hated playing with guys that did this. 

4. In a previous reply I posted almost exactly all the same POSITIVES you just listed.  So I'm not oblivious to his uncanny abilities.  Believe me, he's a top-five PG right now.  But he COULD be top two in my opinion if he played smarter.  I truly think he could be better than Deron Williams, but Chris Paul is just absolutely #1 right now and will be for a long time.

5.  After three years of NBA experience, with one of the BEST defensive coaches alive (TT) I would have hoped that he could have broken himself of these bad habits.  Personally, I think Derek Fischer is the best defensive point guard in the league in terms of fundamentals.  Rondo should watch him and try to emulate him.

Thanks for the thoughtful, rational post, as opposed to just "you're crazy!"  I enjoy smart discussions.

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2010, 05:29:13 PM »

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Overreaction of the year right here.

Exactly.

Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2010, 05:32:47 PM »

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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2010, 05:33:01 PM »

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I think you hit the nail on the head there and stubbornness is the absolute correct term for use here and not laziness

It has been mentioned by Danny and Doc that he is a stubborn person and it has been both a blessing and a hindrance

He still is only 23 year old and I for one think that with maturity comes a relaxing of many personality traits that are detrimental to people, stubbornness being one of them

I think as Rondo hits his mid and late 20's, you know when most NBA players are hitting their prime(scary thought, Rondo is a half decade away from his prime), many of these bad habits will disappear and he will start being more the player fundamentally that Fisher is

Let's remember, Fisher has to be fundamental to be effective because he is so much past his prime

Players grow aware of these things and adjust as I am sure Rondo will
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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2010, 05:35:15 PM »

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For the record, Rondo was gassed before he brought the ball back up after letting Lawson get the layup, and after that he walked the ball up (or he Pierce may have brought it up after that, I'm not sure) giving him the time to catch his breath one last time so he could get the layup on the other end. But after that he was completely done, you could see him like almost hyperventilating on the sideline.
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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2010, 05:36:40 PM »

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Re: So sick of Rondo's laziness
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2010, 05:42:22 PM »

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he conceded the basket instead of getting a foul.  It wasn't laziness.  He was beat.

Rondo's the best player on this team.  Have some respect for the franchise player.
To a point!  How many times have we seen tony or others make the foul?  I blundered the handling of ball and did what he could, its a turnover and 2 pts not 3.
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