Will Danny's "faith" or "loyalty" in this team turn out to hurt them?

[mahonedog88]

This game tonight against the Magic really hurt.  So some of this is just me being irrational after a TERRIBLE loss, one of the worst of the season.

But it just seems like Danny has a little too much loyalty towards our veterans.  It's almost like he doesn't wanna hurt anyone's feelings.

This team needs to get younger.  I really want to avoid a HUGE rebuilding session like the one we had to endure in the '05 and '06 seasons.  If the deal is right, if we can trade for young talent, even if it's just one impact player and still keep the majority of the core I say we do it.

Yes this means I'd do the Monta Ellis deal in a heartbeat.  I understand that's not gonna happen, but just stating.

[Fafnir]

The Monta Ellis deal wouldn't help this team one bit. He's an undersized SG who can't shoot, he would be a terrible fit to play alongside Rondo and would hurt our defense.

[mahonedog88]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

[PosImpos]

Unfortunately I'm just not sure a great deal for us is there.  Monta Ellis isn't going to save this team, and I wouldn't want him as a core piece for the future.  Shoring up our bench isn't going to help if our starters are still in and out of the lineup and rarely ever all 100%.

Ray Allen is the only one of the Big 3 who is a real tradeable asset, and it's not clear that we could actually get much real core young talent back for him unless we included Rondo or Perk, which would most likely end up being a lateral move (especially if it involves Rondo).

I think we may have to accept that the KG / Ray trades were a big risk.  We're lucky that it paid off in '08, and we shouldn't be that surprised if it doesn't get us any more championships than the one.  That doesn't make it a bad trade - this team wasn't going to win a championship anytime soon without that trade.  It just means we're probably going to have a few more seasons of being a fringe competitor (ala Detroit Pistons 05-08) and then we'll have to go into rebuilding mode.

Let's just hope the rebuilding process post-Big 3 goes better than the one we went through in the early 90's, or the one Detroit is going through now.

[BballTim]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

  Rondo might be the better shooter of the two.

[Fafnir]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

His jumpshot eFG% is .377 last year and .387 this year. Meaning Rondo shoots jumpers as well as Ellis does.

Both players rely on getting to the rim to score efficiently, teams would pack the paint and force them to shoot long jumpers. It'd kill our offense when Rondo and Ellis played together.

[Fafnir]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

  Rondo might be the better shooter of the two.

He's been a better jump shooter this year according to 82games.

[Spicoli]

I'm not sure what this team needs, but this loss hurt more than any other loss this season. I don't usually go overboard after losses, but this one just crushed me for some reason. I am devastated.

[mahonedog88]

Unfortunately I'm just not sure a great deal for us is there.  Monta Ellis isn't going to save this team, and I wouldn't want him as a core piece for the future.  Shoring up our bench isn't going to help if our starters are still in and out of the lineup and rarely ever all 100%.

Ray Allen is the only one of the Big 3 who is a real tradeable asset, and it's not clear that we could actually get much real core young talent back for him unless we included Rondo or Perk, which would most likely end up being a lateral move (especially if it involves Rondo).

I think we may have to accept that the KG / Ray trades were a big risk.  We're lucky that it paid off in '08, and we shouldn't be that surprised if it doesn't get us any more championships than the one.  That doesn't make it a bad trade - this team wasn't going to win a championship anytime soon without that trade.  It just means we're probably going to have a few more seasons of being a fringe competitor (ala Detroit Pistons 05-08) and then we'll have to go into rebuilding mode.

Let's just hope the rebuilding process post-Big 3 goes better than the one we went through in the early 90's, or the one Detroit is going through now.

Yeah well said.  That's basically all I'm getting at here.  I REALLY don't want to have to endure a COMPLETE rebuilding session like we had in '05 and '06.  Or what the Nets are going through now.  And if we don't want to go down the road, Danny HAS to get some young talent.

The one unfortunate thing about us being so good the last 2 years is that we have no draft picks to get that young talent.  So it's trade or bust for this team.

[BballTim]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

  Rondo might be the better shooter of the two.

He's been a better jump shooter this year according to 82games.

  They're close to even the last 3 years I think.

[Fafnir]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

  Rondo might be the better shooter of the two.

He's been a better jump shooter this year according to 82games.

  They're close to even the last 3 years I think.

Yup, both are around .375. Not good at all....

[Las Vegas Asian]

I disagree, I think he can shoot.

Granted none of us will truely know since he plays all the way in Golden State.

I know alot of people think he'll be a terrible fit for this team, I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone else.  Rondo and Ellis for a backcourt?  On paper, and perhaps in person, that's the deadliest backcourt combo in the league.

I too agree that he's exactly what this team needs...a flat out scorer. Seems like one of our biggest problems is having these lapses on the offensive end that results in us blowing a double digit lead like tonight. If we could get Monta and a big in exchange for Ray then Danny needs to pull the trigger.

[Who]

Monta Ellis' jump shot is inconsistent rather than non-existent. He was an excellent 15-22 foot jump shooter during Baron's last season with the Warriors but since then he's been poor.

It would be surprising if he couldn't get that shot back in working order sometime in the near future.

 Monta Ellis isn't going to save this team, and I wouldn't want him as a core piece for the future.

Agreed

[Fafnir]

Monta Ellis' jump shot is inconsistent rather than non-existent. He was an excellent 15-22 foot jump shooter during Baron's last season with the Warriors but since then he's been poor.

It would be surprising if he couldn't get that shot back in working order sometime in the near future.

 Monta Ellis isn't going to save this team, and I wouldn't want him as a core piece for the future.

Agreed

So its been gone for two season? That's worrisome.

Still Ray Allen is a better fit for the C's this year.

[Tai]

I can accept if you really think trading Ray Allen for Monta Ellis would be a good idea, even if I disagree (among many others), but suggesting it right after a loss? Man, I have no words for that. Get a grip.

Monta shoots 31% from the 3-point line compared to Ray's 34%, and that's with Ellis taking about 100 less 3 pointers. That's laughable. Just make it stop with this trade.