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Re: Doc = A Problem That Needs Solving
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2009, 07:33:15 PM »

Offline Chris

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I do have a problem with Doc Rivers. Why is he giving Scalabrine so many minutes and sitting Bill  Walker??? that it still something i just can't understand.

I think the question is why is Bill Walker or JR Giddens not earning the minutes from Scal?

Regardless of Scal, I think the fact that Doc has been unwilling to put Giddens or Walker on the floor, even when they desperately need more bodies, is very telling about what they think of these kids ability to play NBA basketball right now. 

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Leads to the more important question, if Walker, JR and even Hudson are not good enough to play even with two of the top 3 swing players out, what is Ainge doing to replace them with players that are capable of player 10 to 15 minutes of NBA level basketball while guys are hurt?

I really hope Doc and Danny are having this conversation soon.  Because if Doc believes outright that they are not good enough, then it is time to move on, and fill those roster spots with guys who can contribute if needed. 
Just a thought but maybe the reason Danny can't fill their roster spots with other players is that Danny and Doc aren't the only people in the league that know how bad Walker, Hudson and Giddens are. I mean other teams have advance scouts, NBDL scouts, college scouts. I am sure every single team in the league has a file on these guys with film and reports. Perhaps the reason Danny can't replace them is because no one in the league wants to trade for them because they are so bad.

Danny tried last year to move Giddens to no avail. Hudson was, after all, the third to last pick in the draft. It's not like he had people clamoring to draft him and Walker, is a walking time bomb waiting to go off and land on the injury list with his history of knee problems. Not to mention, he has never really shown anything remotely resembling NBA level talent and smarts.

So I guess it's easy to say if they aren't good enough to fill in the end of the bench, replace them. But how? Releasing them still means you have to pay them and the luxury tax on them and if they are that bad, no one wants to trade for them. makes things tough to do, IMHO.

Oh, I am not talking about trades, I am saying if none of them are NBA material, cut someone, and bring in someone who can help the team. 

Ultimately, I think the reason they haven't cut them, is because they don't want to give up their salaries for trade purposes so early, and I can't completely disagree with that.  It is just frustrating to see them wasting so many roster spots on guys they clearly do not think are NBA players.
I can understand that but they are still over the luxury tax and cutting all three means p1ssing away $6 million. That's tough to swallow.

Logically, I agree, and I completely understand their motivation.  I am just venting, because it is frustrating to watch.

Re: Doc = A Problem That Needs Solving
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2009, 10:22:55 PM »

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I do have a problem with Doc Rivers. Why is he giving Scalabrine so many minutes and sitting Bill  Walker??? that it still something i just can't understand.

I think the question is why is Bill Walker or JR Giddens not earning the minutes from Scal?

Regardless of Scal, I think the fact that Doc has been unwilling to put Giddens or Walker on the floor, even when they desperately need more bodies, is very telling about what they think of these kids ability to play NBA basketball right now. 

Right.


Leads to the more important question, if Walker, JR and even Hudson are not good enough to play even with two of the top 3 swing players out, what is Ainge doing to replace them with players that are capable of player 10 to 15 minutes of NBA level basketball while guys are hurt?

I really hope Doc and Danny are having this conversation soon.  Because if Doc believes outright that they are not good enough, then it is time to move on, and fill those roster spots with guys who can contribute if needed. 
Just a thought but maybe the reason Danny can't fill their roster spots with other players is that Danny and Doc aren't the only people in the league that know how bad Walker, Hudson and Giddens are. I mean other teams have advance scouts, NBDL scouts, college scouts. I am sure every single team in the league has a file on these guys with film and reports. Perhaps the reason Danny can't replace them is because no one in the league wants to trade for them because they are so bad.

Danny tried last year to move Giddens to no avail. Hudson was, after all, the third to last pick in the draft. It's not like he had people clamoring to draft him and Walker, is a walking time bomb waiting to go off and land on the injury list with his history of knee problems. Not to mention, he has never really shown anything remotely resembling NBA level talent and smarts.

So I guess it's easy to say if they aren't good enough to fill in the end of the bench, replace them. But how? Releasing them still means you have to pay them and the luxury tax on them and if they are that bad, no one wants to trade for them. makes things tough to do, IMHO.

Oh, I am not talking about trades, I am saying if none of them are NBA material, cut someone, and bring in someone who can help the team. 

Ultimately, I think the reason they haven't cut them, is because they don't want to give up their salaries for trade purposes so early, and I can't completely disagree with that.  It is just frustrating to see them wasting so many roster spots on guys they clearly do not think are NBA players.
I can understand that but they are still over the luxury tax and cutting all three means p1ssing away $6 million. That's tough to swallow.
Especially when you might be able to use them later on in a late season move, either to bring in another player or save some money.