I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Scal plays a SF position or a defensive position against perimeter 4's. He will have a role until the team trades for a legitimate SF or until Daniels returns. Simply put, Davis is a better 4/5 than Williams so with Davis' return, Williams sits.

Quote from: Bankshot on December 28, 2009, 08:10:29 AM

I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Scal plays a SF position or a defensive position against perimeter 4's. He will have a role until the team trades for a legitimate SF or until Daniels returns. Simply put, Davis is a better 4/5 than Williams so with Davis' return, Williams sits.

Yep. 

Davis and Williams play the same type of roll.  Davis has proven to the Celtics to be the better player.  He gets those 4th big man minutes. 

Scali is the small PF out there for matchup purposes. 

Williams is back to the emergency big man he was brought in to be. 

Quote from: Bankshot on December 28, 2009, 08:10:29 AM

I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Scal plays a SF position or a defensive position against perimeter 4's. He will have a role until the team trades for a legitimate SF or until Daniels returns. Simply put, Davis is a better 4/5 than Williams so with Davis' return, Williams sits.

Correct on the Scal assessment. He won't see many minutes once PP and Daniels are back. Disagree on the Williams/Davis assessment. I think Doc TRUSTS BBD a bit more than Williams. Williams did a fantastic job overall when he was getting the time and then for no reason at all his minutes just went away. At the time I posted that I thought it was to wean us off of him so when BBD came back there wasn't a controversy. Kind of seems that was spot on. Hopefully they feel they know what they get with Williams and are trying to get BBD back in form for a trade. Not sure that is the case though...

He's not in any doghouse. Sheldon was brought here to be 5th big. And now the Glen is back, no minutes for Sheldon. Scal's minutes has nothing to do with Sheldon. With all the injuries Scal by default is the backup 3. At the very least we should cut or trade Bill and JR. Them Sitting on the bench won't do us any good. I find it hard to believe after 1 1/2 years they haven't improved.

I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Well, Scal was playing those minutes at SF, and Shelden cannot play SF.  Scal's minutes say a lot more about Walker and Giddens than they do about Williams.

But to answer your original question, I don't think Williams is in Doc's doghouse, I think he just is not that good of a player.  Seeing Davis, who is a mediocre player himself, play signigicantly better than Williams has all year, after practicing just 1 time in 2 months shows just how mediocre Williams really is (not to mention, how terrible guys like POB and Mikki Moore are, who are significantly worse than Williams).

Williams has done a nice job filling in this season, and he is a valuable guy to have at the end of the bench, because he is capable of filling in without killing the team.  However, he just is not a rotation quality player on a championship team.

Quote from: Chris on December 28, 2009, 12:18:17 PM

Quote from: Bankshot on December 28, 2009, 08:10:29 AM

I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Well, Scal was playing those minutes at SF, and Shelden cannot play SF.  Scal's minutes say a lot more about Walker and Giddens than they do about Williams.

hahahaha apparently Scal can't play SF either, zero points, zero rebounds.

I'm pretty sure Sheldon could handle not contributing at all, too hahahaha 

That was my point.  Shelden can do what Scal is doing (Nothing!) and he might even get a rebound or two.

Quote from: Rondo_is_better on December 28, 2009, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: Chris on December 28, 2009, 12:18:17 PM

Quote from: Bankshot on December 28, 2009, 08:10:29 AM

I knew he would lose minutes to Big Baby upon Baby's return, but losing minutes to Scal?  I thought with Baby back, that would be the end of seeing Scal.  I thought we'd see the Baby/Shelden tandem.  Scal played 10 minutes and had 0 points and 0 rebounds. Shelden could have done that.

I wonder if Shelden is in Doc's doghouse for some reason. Has he not been practicing well?  Is he fumbling passes in practice worse than he does in games?  Anyone have any idea what's up?

Well, Scal was playing those minutes at SF, and Shelden cannot play SF.  Scal's minutes say a lot more about Walker and Giddens than they do about Williams.

hahahaha apparently Scal can't play SF either, zero points, zero rebounds.

I'm pretty sure Sheldon could handle not contributing at all, too hahahaha 

That was my point.  Shelden can do what Scal is doing (Nothing!) and he might even get a rebound or two.

And give up about 30 points to Al Thornton.  Scal played very good defense when he was in there, even if he was invisible otherwise.  Shelden can't cover anyone on the perimeter, let alone, a SF.