tony allen

[RAcker]

They credited him with 2 turnovers but given that he was twice trying to get shots off underneath the basket after pulling up his dribble and got his shots blocked while surrounded by Gibson and Noah, it should really be 4 turnovers.

Just an awful first half.

There you go again, nick, myopically focusing on the negative.  Tony has an earth shattering two points (on 25% shooting) and 2 rebounds, as well.  How dare you negate his positive contributions?

LOL...maybe this fair weather fan should just keep his big mouth shut.

It was obvious that he didn't eat his salmon and mashed potatoes for pre-game today.   

[jdpapa3]

Well, I can't blame those who focus on TA's negatives..he does have some things to work on, and I can't fault folks for pointing those out.

TA will have more better games than this. He has some work to do.

Tony Allen is 28 years old in his 6th season in the league. He is basically the same player he was in his rookie season. He is what he is.

I would even venture to say that he is now worse than he was in his rookie season after all of the surgeries.

Remember those exciting putbacks and those dunks where he used to dunk it before you even realized he caught the ball? Those were the TA glory days.

[Bahku]

Well, I can't blame those who focus on TA's negatives..he does have some things to work on, and I can't fault folks for pointing those out.

TA will have more better games than this. He has some work to do.

Tony Allen is 28 years old in his 6th season in the league. He is basically the same player he was in his rookie season. He is what he is.

I would even venture to say that he is now worse than he was in his rookie season after all of the surgeries.

Remember those exciting putbacks and those dunks where he used to dunk it before you even realized he caught the ball? Those were the TA glory days.

The guy is incredibly gifted with physical ability, but as of the second quarter against the Bulls, (which is what I'm watching right now), he is sucking big-time. I just think his head is not into it, and I don't think it ever will be, by the look of it.

[P2]

What does Ainge need to see to move Tony Allen? I mean, isn't it obvious we need an upgrade over him?

[Bahku]

What does Ainge need to see to move Tony Allen? I mean, isn't it obvious we need an upgrade over him?

Yeah, I agree, P2 (TP) ... I don't understand why they keep giving him more chances. He's been given more latitude here in Boston than most other three players, and it's time management took the "hint" and got something solid for that money being wasted. The very best you can say about him is that he's a huge question mark, and that's being kind. Time to kick the kid loose and wish him the best ... on his way. 

[P2]

We're just in a "nothing bad happened, no moves needed" mode. What disturbs me is that this attitude may eventually lead to something bad, and then it will be too late to make roster changes. Of course, we're talking about our 9th/10th player on the rotation, but still I feel that this position has a glaring need for upgrade, if we want to go deep into the playoffs without many obstacles. I mean, it is possible to win a championship with our current roster, but why not upgrade your roster to keep the chance of dropping out as little as possible?

[Bahku]

We're just in a "nothing bad happened, no moves needed" mode. What disturbs me is that this attitude may eventually lead to something bad, and then it will be too late to make roster changes. Of course, we're talking about our 9th/10th player on the rotation, but still I feel that this position has a glaring need for upgrade, if we want to go deep into the playoffs without many obstacles. I mean, it is possible to win a championship with our current roster, but why not upgrade your roster to keep the chance of dropping out as little as possible?

Absolutely ... as far as I'm concerned, the bench can never be "too deep", and I think we could strengthen up the last 2 or 3 positions without much trouble.

[EJPLAYA]

What does Ainge need to see to move Tony Allen? I mean, isn't it obvious we need an upgrade over him?

It isn't what AINGE needs to see to move him. It is finding another sucker out there dumb enough to TAKE him. We tried to GIVE the guy away and no one wanted him. The only way he doesn't play out his contract here is to cut him.

[slamtheking]

What does Ainge need to see to move Tony Allen? I mean, isn't it obvious we need an upgrade over him?

It isn't what AINGE needs to see to move him. It is finding another sucker out there dumb enough to TAKE him. We tried to GIVE the guy away and no one wanted him. The only way he doesn't play out his contract here is to cut him.

TA won't be cut.  Danny will move his expiring deal, along with other expiring deals, to get someone more productive.  TA will become more valuable as the deadline approaches and teams that are out of contention will be looking to dump salary after this year.  Bank on TA being gone by the deadline even if Danny has to pull a POB scenario like last year and move TA and cash for a 2nd round pick we never receive just to free up a spot for either Lue or someone claimed off waivers.

[hwangjini_1]

perhaps one thing that ainge sees in tony allen is rookie year athleticism and what he did in 2006-07.

let's face it, the way allen would soar and slam home rebounds was amazing. his defense was very good as well. then there was that stretch of games just before his knee injury in 2006-07....

in that 33 game season he averaged 11.5 points, 1.5 steals, and 3.8 rebounds in 24 minutes. those are good numbers and having consistent minutes on the floor seemed to help his game.

allen showed he could play in the nba.

at the time, a number of cb posters (including me) thought allen was a good jump shot away from an excellent nba player, not an all star, but still very good.

little did i, or some others, realize that tony's major flaw is inside his head. he just isnt all that bright in basketball or life.

pile on the injuries and it hard to see exactly what allen's ceiling could be in the nba.

so, maybe ainge sees what tony CAN do, and hopes to harness it in a way the allows him to bring out his positives while limiting his stupidity.

allen is already a celtic and on payroll, why not play him and see if he can match those hopes and expectations?

i have doubts he ever will, but i am just responding to the question above on why ainge keeps him on the team.

[Surferdad]

What does Ainge need to see to move Tony Allen? I mean, isn't it obvious we need an upgrade over him?

It isn't what AINGE needs to see to move him. It is finding another sucker out there dumb enough to TAKE him. We tried to GIVE the guy away and no one wanted him. The only way he doesn't play out his contract here is to cut him.

TA won't be cut.  Danny will move his expiring deal, along with other expiring deals, to get someone more productive.  TA will become more valuable as the deadline approaches and teams that are out of contention will be looking to dump salary after this year.  Bank on TA being gone by the deadline even if Danny has to pull a POB scenario like last year and move TA and cash for a 2nd round pick we never receive just to free up a spot for either Lue or someone claimed off waivers.

Yup.  Tony's value as an expiring contract will go up as the deadline approaches.  Folks are upset because it's obvious that the C's have no one to fill for Marquis as the main backup wing.  Tony is what he is.  It has nothing to do with his injuries; he just isn't a very smart basketball player.  If is wasn't for Quis going down he wouldn't be getting this chance.

[2short]

tony is incredibly preoccupied with thinking about EVERYTHING, guy has poor bb iq and should just play
he 2nd guesses everything and almost appears to talk to himself or at the least be very self concious when making to etc etc, when he has confidence he's ok for end of bench athletic guy, better than giddens by far (he really is horrible)
i'm ready for billy walker to come back

[celticinorlando]

time for scal and tony to go...we need guys that can actually contribute every night

[slamtheking]

tony is incredibly preoccupied with thinking about EVERYTHING, guy has poor bb iq and should just play
he 2nd guesses everything and almost appears to talk to himself or at the least be very self concious when making to etc etc, when he has confidence he's ok for end of bench athletic guy, better than giddens by far (he really is horrible)
i'm ready for billy walker to come back

I think that sums up the issue with Tony regarding where he's at today versus when he was on a tear before his major injury.  At that time, Tony just let the game come to him and he just played on instinct.  no overthinking what he should be doing, just playing.

Even if he were to get back to that style of play, I don't know if there'd be a place for him on the team because now the team playbook on defense and offense requires some thought and BBall IQ.

[fanofgreen]

I really hope danny trades tony ASAP!

I have been proposing on this C's blog, since the summer that we should trade

Tony Allen and for Dorrell Wright.....or even Tony and JR for Dorrell Wright, that works also

Right now, Dorrell has finally started playing well, and has found his way into the rotation down in Miami, so it will be harder to grab him now, than it would have been during the summer.

Dorrell Wright plays under-control, has a decent mid-range jumper, possesses great athleticism, and upon arrival in Boston, he would immediately become our most athletic player, he is 6'9" (same height as Shelden Williams) I would love to have the height on the perimeter defensively, and he is only 23 years old, and his contract expires after this year.