are the pats on the verge of imploding?

[GreenFaith1819]

IMO, I don't think the Pats are on the verge of imploding. I'm a lifetime Redskins fan, and just looking from the outside (I'm from VA) in, I would just say that the Pats are just experiencing a rare bump in the road.

Any team that has Coach Belichik, Moss and Brady has the potential to win it all, IMO. I've seen Moss and Brady do miracles, and those two absolutely creamed my skins last year (like 52-7 I believe?)

To even begin to be critical of the Pats, I would say that the defense of the Pats is not the same. I could not figure out why Seymour was let go, besides as maybe a cost-cutting measure for the Pats?

I'd trade 7-5 with the potential to run the table with 3-9 and hoping to spoil the Cowboys Playoffs chances (they have one more game with the Skins in Washington) any day.

Yeah Coach B is a robot, but he has been pretty consistent since he's been there, IMO.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think the Pats are done this year, and I hope they're done, period.  However, I don't think they will be.  There are some major tweaks that need to be made -- the defense as a whole is weak, and the offensive line has been shabby -- but they still have a strong foundation, and will have for the next few seasons.

It's a testament to the Belichick / Brady era that it seems like a long time since the Pats won a Super Bowl, when in reality it's only been four seasons.

[JBcat]

I think we are just going through a little bit of an adjustment period on defense.   Our linebacker and defensive back groups are very green as a result of a little bit of an overhaul.   I think they are talented in those spots but just need more experience and maybe 1 or 2 more talented players in those areas in the offseason and they should be fine.   Everywhere else on the team I feel good about.  I even like the developing third receiver combination of Aiken/Edelman.

[Jon]

To rule any team with a winning record out at this point is ridiculous.  I live in Philly (though I am originally from NE and am a Pats fan), and people around here ruled the Eagles for dead a few weeks ago, and all of the sudden they've turned it around and are in the hunt. 

Similarly, in 2007, the Giants looked done, and then all of the sudden they get hot and knock off the 18-0 Pats. 

While I'm not making any guarantees, we must remember, the playoffs are one and done in football.  Considering that the C's needed 7 games to take out the Hawks and Cavs in 2008, it's pretty darn clear that the best team doesn't always win every game.  (I'd even go a step further and say that the best team often doesn't win it all, unlike basketball.)

So I certainly wouldn't rule the Pats out.  If they get hot in January, they could cruise to a Super Bowl or they could miss the playoffs. 

[Redz]

To rule any team with a winning record out at this point is ridiculous.  I live in Philly (though I am originally from NE and am a Pats fan), and people around here ruled the Eagles for dead a few weeks ago, and all of the sudden they've turned it around and are in the hunt. 

Similarly, in 2007, the Giants looked done, and then all of the sudden they get hot and knock off the 18-0 Pats. 

While I'm not making any guarantees, we must remember, the playoffs are one and done in football.  Considering that the C's needed 7 games to take out the Hawks and Cavs in 2008, it's pretty darn clear that the best team doesn't always win every game.  (I'd even go a step further and say that the best team often doesn't win it all, unlike basketball.)

So I certainly wouldn't rule the Pats out.  If they get hot in January, they could cruise to a Super Bowl or they could miss the playoffs. 

The trademark of these Patriots teams has been their ability to get better as the season goes on.  Their record in December has been insanely good.  This is why the downward trend is so alarming here.

[nickagneta]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

[Eja117]

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

[yall hate]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

I dont know anything about him, but it isnt likely at all.  the first pick is paid simply too much.  the pats have too many good players who will be free agents this offseason.  the draft picks have the potential to be incredibly valuable for two years from now if they get a structured draft salary in place (which seems semi likely).

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

What I found interesting is that while Burgess explained he was surprised to be sent home, he repeatedly said he was disappointed in himself for being late.  he handled it the way you would like to see it handled (or the moss/guyton way and not discuss at all)

Adalius is a jerk, he realizes his time here is jsut about done, and he doesnt care.  thats all.

[nickagneta]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

I dont know anything about him, but it isnt likely at all.  the first pick is paid simply too much.  the pats have too many good players who will be free agents this offseason.  the draft picks have the potential to be incredibly valuable for two years from now if they get a structured draft salary in place (which seems semi likely).

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

What I found interesting is that while Burgess explained he was surprised to be sent home, he repeatedly said he was disappointed in himself for being late.  he handled it the way you would like to see it handled (or the moss/guyton way and not discuss at all)

Adalius is a jerk, he realizes his time here is jsut about done, and he doesnt care.  thats all.

Well, I don't find it likely that the Pats do that type of trade but it's probably because whoever gets the #1 pick won't do the trade. Suh is just too good to pass on. What I find funny, yall, is that you know nothing about Suh yet arbitrarily dismiss the possibility of Belichick going after him simply because he would be chosen at a high cost draft slot. Belichick has said that he would draft someone extremely high in the draft but only if he felt the player was worth it and at a position that is a building block position.

Suh, is a lightening fast, incredibly strong 6'4" 305 pound defensive tackle in a 4-3 or defensive end in a 3-4. He is so mobile and quick that he could easily slip into a, OLB spot for a speed rush in a 3-4, he's that versatile. And he's so strong, he can play the DT in a 4-3 and bull rush an offensive lineman and pancake him. He is a once in a decade talent on the defensive line.

Yes, he is that good. This is the list of awards he has won this year for his play at Nebraska:

Rotary Lombardi Award - nations' best lineman
Bronko Nagurski Award - nation's best defensive player
Outland Trophy - nation's best interior lineman
Bednarik Award - nation's most outstanding defensive player

Came in second, to Colt McCoy, for the Maxwell Award given to the nation's best all-around player. He is also one of 5 players who are finalists for the Heisman Trophy and the only defensive player to be invited as a finalist since 1997 when Charles Woodson won the award. In Suh's only head to head performance against another Heisman finalist, he had 4 1/2 sacks versus Texas' Colt McCoy, the leading candidate for the Heisman, in the biggest game of the year for his team, the Big 12 Championship game.

This is definitely a player that Belichick would play the bucks to. He's the cornerstone you build championship defenses around. I don't however feel that whoever gets the #1 pick is stupid enough to trade that pick away. He is guaranteed to be that pick.

 

[bMunch]

re: being late - a certain Celtic blowhard by name of bill walton once said, if you're not going to be on time, be early.

[Donoghus]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

I dont know anything about him, but it isnt likely at all.  the first pick is paid simply too much.  the pats have too many good players who will be free agents this offseason.  the draft picks have the potential to be incredibly valuable for two years from now if they get a structured draft salary in place (which seems semi likely).

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

What I found interesting is that while Burgess explained he was surprised to be sent home, he repeatedly said he was disappointed in himself for being late.  he handled it the way you would like to see it handled (or the moss/guyton way and not discuss at all)

Adalius is a jerk, he realizes his time here is jsut about done, and he doesnt care.  thats all.

Well, I don't find it likely that the Pats do that type of trade but it's probably because whoever gets the #1 pick won't do the trade. Suh is just too good to pass on. What I find funny, yall, is that you know nothing about Suh yet arbitrarily dismiss the possibility of Belichick going after him simply because he would be chosen at a high cost draft slot. Belichick has said that he would draft someone extremely high in the draft but only if he felt the player was worth it and at a position that is a building block position.

Suh, is a lightening fast, incredibly strong 6'4" 305 pound defensive tackle in a 4-3 or defensive end in a 3-4. He is so mobile and quick that he could easily slip into a, OLB spot for a speed rush in a 3-4, he's that versatile. And he's so strong, he can play the DT in a 4-3 and bull rush an offensive lineman and pancake him. He is a once in a decade talent on the defensive line.

Yes, he is that good. This is the list of awards he has won this year for his play at Nebraska:

Rotary Lombardi Award - nations' best lineman
Bronko Nagurski Award - nation's best defensive player
Outland Trophy - nation's best interior lineman
Bednarik Award - nation's most outstanding defensive player

Came in second, to Colt McCoy, for the Maxwell Award given to the nation's best all-around player. He is also one of 5 players who are finalists for the Heisman Trophy and the only defensive player to be invited as a finalist since 1997 when Charles Woodson won the award. In Suh's only head to head performance against another Heisman finalist, he had 4 1/2 sacks versus Texas' Colt McCoy, the leading candidate for the Heisman, in the biggest game of the year for his team, the Big 12 Championship game.

This is definitely a player that Belichick would play the bucks to. He's the cornerstone you build championship defenses around. I don't however feel that whoever gets the #1 pick is stupid enough to trade that pick away. He is guaranteed to be that pick.

 

No arguement here that the kid is an impact player and I do think that he'll succeed very well on the professional level. What he did in that Big XII game is nothing short of phenomeonal. The kid is a beast.

However, trading 3 first first round picks for him is absurd, IMO. I don't see Belichick doing that at all.  He loves flexibility in these drafts and trading the two first rounders in 2011 is going to inhibit his ability to manuever down the road.  Factor is the salary committed to this kid with the first pick slot and the cost to the Patriots borders on ridiculous.  

I'm not doubting the talent level at all on this kid but trading 3 first round picks (plus what it'll take to sign him) for him is ridiculous in my eyes.

[yall hate]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

I dont know anything about him, but it isnt likely at all.  the first pick is paid simply too much.  the pats have too many good players who will be free agents this offseason.  the draft picks have the potential to be incredibly valuable for two years from now if they get a structured draft salary in place (which seems semi likely).

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

What I found interesting is that while Burgess explained he was surprised to be sent home, he repeatedly said he was disappointed in himself for being late.  he handled it the way you would like to see it handled (or the moss/guyton way and not discuss at all)

Adalius is a jerk, he realizes his time here is jsut about done, and he doesnt care.  thats all.

Well, I don't find it likely that the Pats do that type of trade but it's probably because whoever gets the #1 pick won't do the trade. Suh is just too good to pass on. What I find funny, yall, is that you know nothing about Suh yet arbitrarily dismiss the possibility of Belichick going after him simply because he would be chosen at a high cost draft slot. Belichick has said that he would draft someone extremely high in the draft but only if he felt the player was worth it and at a position that is a building block position.

Suh, is a lightening fast, incredibly strong 6'4" 305 pound defensive tackle in a 4-3 or defensive end in a 3-4. He is so mobile and quick that he could easily slip into a, OLB spot for a speed rush in a 3-4, he's that versatile. And he's so strong, he can play the DT in a 4-3 and bull rush an offensive lineman and pancake him. He is a once in a decade talent on the defensive line.

Yes, he is that good. This is the list of awards he has won this year for his play at Nebraska:

Rotary Lombardi Award - nations' best lineman
Bronko Nagurski Award - nation's best defensive player
Outland Trophy - nation's best interior lineman
Bednarik Award - nation's most outstanding defensive player

Came in second, to Colt McCoy, for the Maxwell Award given to the nation's best all-around player. He is also one of 5 players who are finalists for the Heisman Trophy and the only defensive player to be invited as a finalist since 1997 when Charles Woodson won the award. In Suh's only head to head performance against another Heisman finalist, he had 4 1/2 sacks versus Texas' Colt McCoy, the leading candidate for the Heisman, in the biggest game of the year for his team, the Big 12 Championship game.

This is definitely a player that Belichick would play the bucks to. He's the cornerstone you build championship defenses around. I don't however feel that whoever gets the #1 pick is stupid enough to trade that pick away. He is guaranteed to be that pick.

 

after doing a quick search, it does appear people have nothing but glowing things to say about him.  But I dismiss him not because of who the player is, but because the economics of it likely doesnt make sense to this team.  would you want him being one of the top 3-5 highest paid players on the team...possibly at the expense of not being able to resign one of our own key fa's like  wilfork, or mankins?

Stafford got 6 years, 72 million, 42 million guaranteed.  the number 1 pick this year will get more.   Without spending too much time looking through the pats salary information, I think this would possibly make a rookie one of the highest paid players on the entire team.

Kraft has said multiple times that having high draft picks are uneconomical. 

One of the comments from the team (I think, or might have been from Reiss) was that the Seymour trade, and stockpiling picks in future drafts can be particularly advantageous right now because of the possible change in pay structure for rookies.

those are the facts that I base my opinion on. 

[yall hate]

No arguement here that the kid is an impact player and I do think that he'll succeed very well on the professional level. What he did in that Big XII game is nothing short of phenomeonal. The kid is a beast.

However, trading 3 first first round picks for him is absurd, IMO. I don't see Belichick doing that at all.  He loves flexibility in these drafts and trading the two first rounders in 2011 is going to inhibit his ability to manuever down the road.  Factor is the salary committed to this kid with the first pick slot and the cost to the Patriots borders on ridiculous.  

I'm not doubting the talent level at all on this kid but trading 3 first round picks (plus what it'll take to sign him) for him is ridiculous in my eyes.

I believe you made my point better then I could

[nickagneta]

I would love if the Pats in the off season would trade their next three #1 picks(this years and the two next year) for this year's #1 pick and take Ndamukong Suh. This kid is going to be an All-Pro next year and for years and years to come.

He is EXACTLY what this team needs while the backers and backfield on defense matures.

If they could do that, see how much imploding this franchise does.

I dont know anything about him, but it isnt likely at all.  the first pick is paid simply too much.  the pats have too many good players who will be free agents this offseason.  the draft picks have the potential to be incredibly valuable for two years from now if they get a structured draft salary in place (which seems semi likely).

kinda interesting to hear Adalius Thomas say that Belichek treated him like a kindergartner sending him home.

If I were Belichek I'd send him home the rest of the year, and be like "I'm actually pretty sure I could probably get a kindergartner to play better than him these days."

What I found interesting is that while Burgess explained he was surprised to be sent home, he repeatedly said he was disappointed in himself for being late.  he handled it the way you would like to see it handled (or the moss/guyton way and not discuss at all)

Adalius is a jerk, he realizes his time here is jsut about done, and he doesnt care.  thats all.

Well, I don't find it likely that the Pats do that type of trade but it's probably because whoever gets the #1 pick won't do the trade. Suh is just too good to pass on. What I find funny, yall, is that you know nothing about Suh yet arbitrarily dismiss the possibility of Belichick going after him simply because he would be chosen at a high cost draft slot. Belichick has said that he would draft someone extremely high in the draft but only if he felt the player was worth it and at a position that is a building block position.

Suh, is a lightening fast, incredibly strong 6'4" 305 pound defensive tackle in a 4-3 or defensive end in a 3-4. He is so mobile and quick that he could easily slip into a, OLB spot for a speed rush in a 3-4, he's that versatile. And he's so strong, he can play the DT in a 4-3 and bull rush an offensive lineman and pancake him. He is a once in a decade talent on the defensive line.

Yes, he is that good. This is the list of awards he has won this year for his play at Nebraska:

Rotary Lombardi Award - nations' best lineman
Bronko Nagurski Award - nation's best defensive player
Outland Trophy - nation's best interior lineman
Bednarik Award - nation's most outstanding defensive player

Came in second, to Colt McCoy, for the Maxwell Award given to the nation's best all-around player. He is also one of 5 players who are finalists for the Heisman Trophy and the only defensive player to be invited as a finalist since 1997 when Charles Woodson won the award. In Suh's only head to head performance against another Heisman finalist, he had 4 1/2 sacks versus Texas' Colt McCoy, the leading candidate for the Heisman, in the biggest game of the year for his team, the Big 12 Championship game.

This is definitely a player that Belichick would play the bucks to. He's the cornerstone you build championship defenses around. I don't however feel that whoever gets the #1 pick is stupid enough to trade that pick away. He is guaranteed to be that pick.

 

No arguement here that the kid is an impact player and I do think that he'll succeed very well on the professional level. What he did in that Big XII game is nothing short of phenomeonal. The kid is a beast.

However, trading 3 first first round picks for him is absurd, IMO. I don't see Belichick doing that at all.  He loves flexibility in these drafts and trading the two first rounders in 2011 is going to inhibit his ability to manuever down the road.  Factor is the salary committed to this kid with the first pick slot and the cost to the Patriots borders on ridiculous.  

I'm not doubting the talent level at all on this kid but trading 3 first round picks (plus what it'll take to sign him) for him is ridiculous in my eyes.

Trading 2 picks in the 20's and one in the top 10 is probably about what it would take to get any number 1 pick, never mind one that occurs in a year to be able to pick a consensus impact HOF type defensive line talent.

[nickagneta]

Signing a #1 pick would not preclude us from signing any of our free agents in a cap free year. Internal budgetary restraints put on by ownership would, but the cap won't. Not next year.

Also, once an NBA style rookie pay scale is put in place, it will probably be impossible to ever trade to get a #1 pick ever again. The value on those types of picks will be so high, 3 future first round draft picks won't ever be enough to get a deal done for that pick.