Rasheed Wallace Fined $30,000

[RAcker]

I wonder if he is going to say something again after that garbage T tonight and get another fine?! Bennett Salvatore has got to be one of the worst 3 refs in the game with a clear agenda. If Donaghy wasn't alone like that criminal guy said (13 of them or something) then there is no way on earth that he isn't one of them. I'd rather have Violet Palmer or Joey Crawford out there I think...

Spot on about Salvatore, my friend.  He flat sucks.  However, I still think that Joey C is the worst.

If you hold grudges, why go into the referee business?  I used to ref Jr. High and HS ball when I was in my early 20's and you had to really disrupt the game for me to punish your team with a T.  Maybe that's because I remember refs giving me no rope about questioning calls. 

That profession is not for guys that just want to rule something.  We need more refs that weren't bullied as kids like Sal and Joey.  Time for the league to ween these guys from their mother's teats.

[jimmehx]

Haha... Probably worth it for Sheed.
Some of the calls tonight were again absolutely ridiculous. Hope he bites his tongue!

[guava_wrench]

The complaining and the fining won't stop for simple and obvious reasons; the refs aren't respected for good reason and the league has taken their side or instructed them to do the inept job that they do.

The league would have a point if the vast majority of fans and sportswriters didn't agree with the players.

People don't take the officiating of this league seriously and they won't any time soon.

Refs will always miss calls. There is too much going on way too quickly for humans to process. Whining about this is silly. This is a problem at every level of basketball and will always be a problem. Sometimes you have to accept the things you can't change.

Another thing that won't change is homer fans complaining about legitimate calls. Some fans try so hard to find opportunities to blame refs. There will always be bad calls for and against both teams in a game, so there will always be something for these excuse makers to complain about.

Look at how the penalty in baseball for arguing balls and strikes is immediate ejection. There is no point in arguing. We all know the home plate umpire is going to make mistakes. they blow calls all the time. You just have to accept that it is impossible to have perfect umpires or refs. Perhaps home plate umpires could one day be replaced with automated ball/strike machines. Unfortunately, we aren't even close to technology that could do something similar in basketball. There are too many moving parts.

With flopping, how can we ever know how much force was involved in a collision? Without having a record of that, the offensive player can always claimed the defense flopped, and the defensive player can always claimed they were run over by the offense. If the offensive player hits the defensive player hard enough to knock them out of the position on the floor that they have the right to, does the defensive player have an obligation to try as hard as they can to maintain their balance, which would also decrease the chances of the offense being called for illegally trying to dislodge the defensive player from the spot they are entitled to? I assume most here do not consider Powe a flopper, but he didn't seem to resist being knocked over when there was contact. I see nothing wrong with that. Why not let the refs see the illegal dislodging? Personally, I consider a willingness to take an offensive foul a good thing, especially for players who don't have the defensive ability to do much else.

Unfortunately, some people will get carried away and start pretending their is contact, but that happens with every rule. People always test to see what they can get away with. There is a risk though, since a failed flop often means an open layup.

[guava_wrench]

I wonder if he is going to say something again after that garbage T tonight and get another fine?! Bennett Salvatore has got to be one of the worst 3 refs in the game with a clear agenda. If Donaghy wasn't alone like that criminal guy said (13 of them or something) then there is no way on earth that he isn't one of them. I'd rather have Violet Palmer or Joey Crawford out there I think...

Spot on about Salvatore, my friend.  He flat sucks.  However, I still think that Joey C is the worst.

If you hold grudges, why go into the referee business?  I used to ref Jr. High and HS ball when I was in my early 20's and you had to really disrupt the game for me to punish your team with a T.  Maybe that's because I remember refs giving me no rope about questioning calls. 

That profession is not for guys that just want to rule something.  We need more refs that weren't bullied as kids like Sal and Joey.  Time for the league to ween these guys from their mother's teats.

If players know which refs are quicker to call T's, then they should avoid those refs. Seems simple to me. Play smarter or accept responsibility.

One of the most annoying plays in basketball is the 5 on 4 fast break as the 10th player complains to the ref at the other end of the floor instead of playing defense.

[RAcker]

I wonder if he is going to say something again after that garbage T tonight and get another fine?! Bennett Salvatore has got to be one of the worst 3 refs in the game with a clear agenda. If Donaghy wasn't alone like that criminal guy said (13 of them or something) then there is no way on earth that he isn't one of them. I'd rather have Violet Palmer or Joey Crawford out there I think...

Spot on about Salvatore, my friend.  He flat sucks.  However, I still think that Joey C is the worst.

If you hold grudges, why go into the referee business?  I used to ref Jr. High and HS ball when I was in my early 20's and you had to really disrupt the game for me to punish your team with a T.  Maybe that's because I remember refs giving me no rope about questioning calls. 

That profession is not for guys that just want to rule something.  We need more refs that weren't bullied as kids like Sal and Joey.  Time for the league to ween these guys from their mother's teats.

If players know which refs are quicker to call T's, then they should avoid those refs. Seems simple to me. Play smarter or accept responsibility.

One of the most annoying plays in basketball is the 5 on 4 fast break as the 10th player complains to the ref at the other end of the floor instead of playing defense.

I agree with you about avoiding certain refs, but conversely, shouldn't refs try to avoid run-ins with certain players?

[Eja117]

The complaining and the fining won't stop for simple and obvious reasons; the refs aren't respected for good reason and the league has taken their side or instructed them to do the inept job that they do.

The league would have a point if the vast majority of fans and sportswriters didn't agree with the players.

People don't take the officiating of this league seriously and they won't any time soon.

Refs will always miss calls. There is too much going on way too quickly for humans to process. Whining about this is silly. This is a problem at every level of basketball and will always be a problem. Sometimes you have to accept the things you can't change.

Another thing that won't change is homer fans complaining about legitimate calls. Some fans try so hard to find opportunities to blame refs. There will always be bad calls for and against both teams in a game, so there will always be something for these excuse makers to complain about.

Look at how the penalty in baseball for arguing balls and strikes is immediate ejection. There is no point in arguing. We all know the home plate umpire is going to make mistakes. they blow calls all the time. You just have to accept that it is impossible to have perfect umpires or refs. Perhaps home plate umpires could one day be replaced with automated ball/strike machines. Unfortunately, we aren't even close to technology that could do something similar in basketball. There are too many moving parts.

With flopping, how can we ever know how much force was involved in a collision? Without having a record of that, the offensive player can always claimed the defense flopped, and the defensive player can always claimed they were run over by the offense. If the offensive player hits the defensive player hard enough to knock them out of the position on the floor that they have the right to, does the defensive player have an obligation to try as hard as they can to maintain their balance, which would also decrease the chances of the offense being called for illegally trying to dislodge the defensive player from the spot they are entitled to? I assume most here do not consider Powe a flopper, but he didn't seem to resist being knocked over when there was contact. I see nothing wrong with that. Why not let the refs see the illegal dislodging? Personally, I consider a willingness to take an offensive foul a good thing, especially for players who don't have the defensive ability to do much else.

Unfortunately, some people will get carried away and start pretending their is contact, but that happens with every rule. People always test to see what they can get away with. There is a risk though, since a failed flop often means an open layup.

I agree homers will always say their team is getting screwed. But when I watch other teams play each other I see ridiculous calls there too. I don't think I'll ever get over seeing Kobe get away with blatantly punching Bibby in the face when the Lakers were playing the Kings in the playoffs. And the foul situation was swinging back and forth absurdly.

The Joey C vs Duncan thing wasn't a homer situation

I definitely think the refs in basketball are considered worse than any other sport

It's like the saying if you know the ref's name that's probably a bad thing

This is who I know. Salvatore, Crawford, Palmer, Donaghy

Bad. Baaaaaaadddd

And for flopping I see what you're saying, but when a guy like Tony Allen knocks over a guy way bigger on a simple move and gets called...well that's flopping. Falling to the ground is easy.  My two year old does it frequently during tantrums. Doesn't mean you should get the call. Ever

[Fafnir]

Well said guava, tp!

Everyone agrees the refs are out to get their team! Personally I believe home teams get a slight edge, because of the crowd.

Also I firmly believe that if you're aggressive early you will be awarded more rope in the majority of games.

[guava_wrench]

I wonder if he is going to say something again after that garbage T tonight and get another fine?! Bennett Salvatore has got to be one of the worst 3 refs in the game with a clear agenda. If Donaghy wasn't alone like that criminal guy said (13 of them or something) then there is no way on earth that he isn't one of them. I'd rather have Violet Palmer or Joey Crawford out there I think...

Spot on about Salvatore, my friend.  He flat sucks.  However, I still think that Joey C is the worst.

If you hold grudges, why go into the referee business?  I used to ref Jr. High and HS ball when I was in my early 20's and you had to really disrupt the game for me to punish your team with a T.  Maybe that's because I remember refs giving me no rope about questioning calls. 

That profession is not for guys that just want to rule something.  We need more refs that weren't bullied as kids like Sal and Joey.  Time for the league to ween these guys from their mother's teats.

If players know which refs are quicker to call T's, then they should avoid those refs. Seems simple to me. Play smarter or accept responsibility.

One of the most annoying plays in basketball is the 5 on 4 fast break as the 10th player complains to the ref at the other end of the floor instead of playing defense.

I agree with you about avoiding certain refs, but conversely, shouldn't refs try to avoid run-ins with certain players?

In the end, all 13 people on the court have intense, stress-filled jobs. 10 of those people though are more likely to be forgiven for mistakes.

I feel confident in saying that refs should not avoid run-ins with any particular players, because they should, in principle, treat all players the same. Sheed, for example, should not get special leeway because he has less control than others.

KG probably gets victimized by as many bad calls as Sheed or Perk, but he understands how to deal with the refs in a less insulting manner and doesn't drag out his complaining. KG's tech problems are typically taunting and double technicals. KG knows how to complain about calls civilly. The duration of Sheed's rants seems to me like an indication of an inability to control his anger. A smarter player would avoid that so that the refs would take their complaints seriously instead of as signs of a lack of self control.

[Brickowski]

We know Sheed has the money to pay the fine.  That's not the point.  The point is to send a message to David Stern.  If I'm willing to pay $50 for a ticket, I should be silling to pay $50 to send that message and buy one less ticket.

There are two things ruining the NBA: over expansion and bad officiating.  I can't do anything about the first, but perhaps, at least symbolically, I can do something about the second.

There needs to be a full investigation by an impartial third party of NBA officials.  They're either biased, crooked or utterly incompetent.

[Reyquila]

Neither Rasheed nor Perks are smart players. Thats all there is to it. They hurt the team with thier complaints. Perk disputs every fould he has ever been charged with. I cant say for every foul "he has committed" cause according to him, he has yet to commit a foul. Rasheed is not as bad but he gaves points away with his TF and I dont see yet that he impresses any of those referees.

[CelticG1]

I feel confident in saying that refs should not avoid run-ins with any particular players, because they should, in principle, treat all players the same. Sheed, for example, should not get special leeway because he has less control than others.

I feel very confident when I say that ref's do not treat all of the players the same at all. Actually I don't even think they really attempt to. In fact I think they treat every player very differently. One easy glaring example is that rookies clearly don't get treated the same as other players. Not to mention their treatment compared to all-stars or superstars. Also although Sheed certainly deserves his fair share of tech's I think it's ridiculous to assume that he is even remotely treated the same as other players. If Sheed does anything remotely controversial he is T'd up without hesitation completely based on his reputation alone, where as other players do the same things game in and game out and don't.

[EJPLAYA]

I feel confident in saying that refs should not avoid run-ins with any particular players, because they should, in principle, treat all players the same. Sheed, for example, should not get special leeway because he has less control than others.

I feel very confident when I say that ref's do not treat all of the players the same at all. Actually I don't even think they really attempt to. In fact I think they treat every player very differently. One easy glaring example is that rookies clearly don't get treated the same as other players. Not to mention their treatment compared to all-stars or superstars. Also although Sheed certainly deserves his fair share of tech's I think it's ridiculous to assume that he is even remotely treated the same as other players. If Sheed does anything remotely controversial he is T'd up without hesitation completely based on his reputation alone, where as other players do the same things game in and game out and don't.

Without a doubt. Sheed only said "and one" and motioned his fingers down so that Salvatore would no that he got hit and he got T'd. Later in the game KG did the same thing and not a thing happened. If anyone thinks that Sheed gets the SAME treatment and leash from the refs as the other players they are crazy. Sadly Perk is getting that same rep and the leash is getting shorter and shorter.

[PosImpos]

Neither Rasheed nor Perks are smart players. Thats all there is to it. They hurt the team with thier complaints.

Boo! I'd give you a negative TP if I could.

Perk and Sheed are emotional, and they do often get carried away arguing calls.  Yes, they should know better.

But when it comes to the game of basketball, Perk and Sheed are both very intelligent.  They both contribute a ton to the team - especially Perk - and that's hardly reduced by the technical fouls they receive.

To a large extent, particularly in Sheed's case, they are both targeted by the refs.  Perk and Sheed get technical fouls for doing much less than the average NBA player, simply because of their reputation. 

Perkins may argue a lot of calls, but I'd say that he has a case to make on a fair amount of them.  He isn't allowed to get away with even 75% of the things that a guy like Dwight Howard does.  I'm sure that frustrates him to no end. 

I also think you're wrong when you say Perk doesn't believe he's ever fouled somebody.  Perks knows when he commits a foul.  Numerous times each game he fouls somebody as they are going to the basket to prevent an easy field goal.  He doesn't dispute those calls.  Many other times, though, he gets called for dubious shooting fouls when he merely contests a shot near the basket.  I can't blame him for getting frustrated by those calls.

[j804]

Sick of sheeds complaining already AND poor lazy defense

[PosImpos]

Sick of sheeds complaining already AND poor lazy defense

Really, if you think Rasheed is playing poor lazy defense you haven't been watching closely.  What I've seen is solid team defense and more than a couple turnovers created by Rasheed's good use of his hands. 

He's not a young guy with a lot of athleticism, so you can't expect a lot of high flying rejections or jarring physicality.  What you can expect from Sheed, and what I think we're getting - for the most part - is smart team defense and solid defense in the post.