"We DO/DON'T Want Allen Iverson" Thread (merged)

[Eric_Suede]

although i can say i've been an AI fan One of the few non-celtics I liked, I like our moves & I don't think adding AI would benefit us. But I can't for the life of me understand why another team especially a team going nowhere who's struggling to sell tickets won't at least take a shot at him. A team like charlotte for example who NEEDS scoring. Hate him as much as many of you may, but REALLY? you guys really think it's a better investment or there's greater potential of getting a return on your investment and addressing scoring needs by signing KWAME "el busto" BROWN as opposed to AI? I mean come on?
 Again I get it some of you feel he's a head case but the man can score. If i'm the clippers,Knicks, New Jersey (especially with the new owner claiming he wants to bring excitement to new Jersey and needs to sell seats) Charlotte, or Cleveland.... Sorry I can't think of an intelligent reason not to take the risk. He can be had ridiculously cheap and with a non-guaranteed contract. He acts up or it doesn't work out. CUT HIM problem solved. Just don't get it.

[Assassin70]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

[Finkelskyhook]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

I asked my 4 year old grandson the same question and he answered "because". 

That would be as rational an explanation as any in here who says the most selfish and overrated player in basketball history would subvert his ego to a team concept.

[Eric_Suede]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

I asked my 4 year old grandson the same question and he answered "because".  

That would be as rational an explanation as any in here who says the most selfish and overrated player in basketball history would subvert his ego to a team concept.

 And Stephen Jackson is sane, Not a head case at all? He doesn't have an ego and had locker room spats that led to him demanding a trade or he hasn't been involved in Brawls? Yet Charlotte felt they could use his scoring and so far it has worked out. Again I know Kwame Brown is a big man & all but you're a team that sucks. You need scoring. on one hand you have former scoring champ future hall of famer who can be had in exchange for a Washing machine & a bag of chips , then on the other you have Kwame Brown, who never was. A guys who couldn't put up 40pts in a game if he was playing playstation.
  Again, I let go of my thoughts of seeing AI in Green, but the fact that No team is willing to give him a chance is an injustice. I'm starting to believe the Conspiracy theories now. The ones who said they believe AI has [pee]ed Stern off one too many times. And now he's black-balled. Sort of the same way Mahmoud Abdul Rauf was after that old National anthem debacle. He still had game and could score a shame he was dismissed from the league the way he was.

[Witch-King]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

Honestly, I would rather see Allen Iverson retire than play basketball in China. You're telling me he couldn't be a role-player for a team like the Clippers, Warriors or the Spurs? There is no God. 

[Fafnir]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

Honestly, I would rather see Allen Iverson retire than play basketball in China. You're telling me he couldn't be a role-player for a team like the Clippers, Warriors or the Spurs? There is no God. 

No one here is saying he couldn't do it.

What we're saying is he won't do it, he's proven that with his conduct over the past two years.

You have to remember that the NBA is a very small world. It only has a 450 roster spots, so all of these players know each other. They also hear things from their friends and co-workers. I have no doubt that there was a lot more going on with Iverson than we know, but all the GMs in the league certainly do.

[CelticHooligan3]

No thanks. I'll take Nate all day over Iverson. People don't realize this but it's not just him that's a headcase. A girl friend of mine works for the 76'ers and said his huge entourage was his main problem. They were constantly causing loads of trouble and his mom and a few others were more high maintenance then even AI. She said she would equate the whole thing to J. Lo and here notorious posse.

[Tai]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

I asked my 4 year old grandson the same question and he answered "because".  

That would be as rational an explanation as any in here who says the most selfish and overrated player in basketball history would subvert his ego to a team concept.

 And Stephen Jackson is sane, Not a head case at all? He doesn't have an ego and had locker room spats that led to him demanding a trade or he hasn't been involved in Brawls? Yet Charlotte felt they could use his scoring and so far it has worked out. Again I know Kwame Brown is a big man & all but you're a team that sucks. You need scoring. on one hand you have former scoring champ future hall of famer who can be had in exchange for a Washing machine & a bag of chips , then on the other you have Kwame Brown, who never was. A guys who couldn't put up 40pts in a game if he was playing playstation.
  Again, I let go of my thoughts of seeing AI in Green, but the fact that No team is willing to give him a chance is an injustice. I'm starting to believe the Conspiracy theories now. The ones who said they believe AI has [pee]ed Stern off one too many times. And now he's black-balled. Sort of the same way Mahmoud Abdul Rauf was after that old National anthem debacle. He still had game and could score a shame he was dismissed from the league the way he was.

For someone who is allegedly a big fan of Allen Iverson, it doesn't look like you've been paying attention to him for the last two years.

He was traded to the Pistons, and only stayed on the team for five months (from November 2008 to April of 2009).

September of that year, he signs with the Grizzlies, and is out by November. That's only two months.

Philly? Oh, surely if AI can make his comeback happen anywhere, it's in Philly, right?

Plays his first game in December 7, 2009 and leaves the team on February 22, 2010 to attend to this daughter, only to not return again as announced by Ed Stefanski, Philly's GM. That's a little more than two months that he was on the Sixers.

So, here is AI, at 35, and has more or less cut ties with his last three teams in the last two seasons (his last two teams JUST last season) for "various" reasons (more like won't play off the bench), and you think the NBA is conspiring against him to keep him out? You really don't think that teams realize that Iverson either isn't good enough for the NBA anymore or won't be around long enough to help a team, even if it's just to put fans in seats?

[Eric_Suede]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

I asked my 4 year old grandson the same question and he answered "because".  

That would be as rational an explanation as any in here who says the most selfish and overrated player in basketball history would subvert his ego to a team concept.

 And Stephen Jackson is sane, Not a head case at all? He doesn't have an ego and had locker room spats that led to him demanding a trade or he hasn't been involved in Brawls? Yet Charlotte felt they could use his scoring and so far it has worked out. Again I know Kwame Brown is a big man & all but you're a team that sucks. You need scoring. on one hand you have former scoring champ future hall of famer who can be had in exchange for a Washing machine & a bag of chips , then on the other you have Kwame Brown, who never was. A guys who couldn't put up 40pts in a game if he was playing playstation.
  Again, I let go of my thoughts of seeing AI in Green, but the fact that No team is willing to give him a chance is an injustice. I'm starting to believe the Conspiracy theories now. The ones who said they believe AI has [pee]ed Stern off one too many times. And now he's black-balled. Sort of the same way Mahmoud Abdul Rauf was after that old National anthem debacle. He still had game and could score a shame he was dismissed from the league the way he was.

For someone who is allegedly a big fan of Allen Iverson, it doesn't look like you've been paying attention to him for the last two years.

He was traded to the Pistons, and only stayed on the team for five months (from November 2008 to April of 2009).

September of that year, he signs with the Grizzlies, and is out by November. That's only two months.

Philly? Oh, surely if AI can make his comeback happen anywhere, it's in Philly, right?

Plays his first game in December 7, 2009 and leaves the team on February 22, 2010 to attend to this daughter, only to not return again as announced by Ed Stefanski, Philly's GM. That's a little more than two months that he was on the Sixers.

So, here is AI, at 35, and has more or less cut ties with his last three teams in the last two seasons (his last two teams JUST last season) for "various" reasons (more like won't play off the bench), and you think the NBA is conspiring against him to keep him out? You really don't think that teams realize that Iverson either isn't good enough for the NBA anymore or won't be around long enough to help a team, even if it's just to put fans in seats?

   Well No#1 make no mistake, My allegiance is for the Celtic's that's it. But yes AI has been one of those Non-celtic players that I enjoy see do his thing on the court (unless it's against the C's). So let me reiterate that first and foremost.
  #2 Yes I have been paying attention and I will admit mistakes have been made on his part and his last 2 seasons have been shaky. But look at some other players. How would you describe Tracy Mcgrady's last 2 seasons? No he hasn't left a team but in the last few years he hasn't demonstrated the ability to stay healthy for more the 25 games a year. Yet & still he was given workouts and opportunities before signing with Detroit. Hell let me take it back a few years. Remember Shawn Kemp. Yes the overweight Coke-head with about 18 kids. A few seasons ago even HE was looked at. At least he was given the opportunity to work out with teams (opportunities he didn't take advantage of) but nevertheless remember the reports of workouts with dallas and possibly chicago? So yes, at this point I am inclined to start leaning towards conspiracy theories. Cause fact remains, he may not be a 30pt a night guy but he can still score. A guy with his ability yet hasn't even been given as much as a workout opportunity... Something is up. more than meets the eye.

[anthony83]

The Celtics should consider Iverson, he can still play even higher level.
It is a shame that he is still without a team, a future hall of fame.
Ainge should help Allen Iverson, you'll always liked the game AI.
The place of Allen Iverson is the NBA, nor China or Europe.
 
He is still an all star, people forget this.

[guava_wrench]

The Celtics should consider Iverson, he can still play even higher level.
It is a shame that he is still without a team, a future hall of fame.
Ainge should help Allen Iverson, you'll always liked the game AI.
The place of Allen Iverson is the NBA, nor China or Europe.
 
He is still an all star, people forget this.

He still gets all star votes because he gets votes he doesn't deserve.

Unless Vince Carter is an all-time great.

[anthony83]

The Celtics should consider Iverson, he can still play even higher level.
It is a shame that he is still without a team, a future hall of fame.
Ainge should help Allen Iverson, you'll always liked the game AI.
The place of Allen Iverson is the NBA, nor China or Europe.
 
He is still an all star, people forget this.

He still gets all star votes because he gets votes he doesn't deserve.

Unless Vince Carter is an all-time great.

 Iverson is a legend, an icon,Anyway, still an all star.

[Tai]

At 35 Allen Iverson would probably be fine coming off of the bench in Boston. I doubt he'd be that much of a locker-room distraction; I mean, he's not Ines Sainz, LOL.

At 33 he wouldn't come off the bench, at 34 he wouldn't come off the bench. Why would 35 be any different?

TP

I asked my 4 year old grandson the same question and he answered "because".  

That would be as rational an explanation as any in here who says the most selfish and overrated player in basketball history would subvert his ego to a team concept.

 And Stephen Jackson is sane, Not a head case at all? He doesn't have an ego and had locker room spats that led to him demanding a trade or he hasn't been involved in Brawls? Yet Charlotte felt they could use his scoring and so far it has worked out. Again I know Kwame Brown is a big man & all but you're a team that sucks. You need scoring. on one hand you have former scoring champ future hall of famer who can be had in exchange for a Washing machine & a bag of chips , then on the other you have Kwame Brown, who never was. A guys who couldn't put up 40pts in a game if he was playing playstation.
  Again, I let go of my thoughts of seeing AI in Green, but the fact that No team is willing to give him a chance is an injustice. I'm starting to believe the Conspiracy theories now. The ones who said they believe AI has [pee]ed Stern off one too many times. And now he's black-balled. Sort of the same way Mahmoud Abdul Rauf was after that old National anthem debacle. He still had game and could score a shame he was dismissed from the league the way he was.

For someone who is allegedly a big fan of Allen Iverson, it doesn't look like you've been paying attention to him for the last two years.

He was traded to the Pistons, and only stayed on the team for five months (from November 2008 to April of 2009).

September of that year, he signs with the Grizzlies, and is out by November. That's only two months.

Philly? Oh, surely if AI can make his comeback happen anywhere, it's in Philly, right?

Plays his first game in December 7, 2009 and leaves the team on February 22, 2010 to attend to this daughter, only to not return again as announced by Ed Stefanski, Philly's GM. That's a little more than two months that he was on the Sixers.

So, here is AI, at 35, and has more or less cut ties with his last three teams in the last two seasons (his last two teams JUST last season) for "various" reasons (more like won't play off the bench), and you think the NBA is conspiring against him to keep him out? You really don't think that teams realize that Iverson either isn't good enough for the NBA anymore or won't be around long enough to help a team, even if it's just to put fans in seats?

   Well No#1 make no mistake, My allegiance is for the Celtic's that's it. But yes AI has been one of those Non-celtic players that I enjoy see do his thing on the court (unless it's against the C's). So let me reiterate that first and foremost.
  #2 Yes I have been paying attention and I will admit mistakes have been made on his part and his last 2 seasons have been shaky. But look at some other players. How would you describe Tracy Mcgrady's last 2 seasons? No he hasn't left a team but in the last few years he hasn't demonstrated the ability to stay healthy for more the 25 games a year. Yet & still he was given workouts and opportunities before signing with Detroit. Hell let me take it back a few years. Remember Shawn Kemp. Yes the overweight Coke-head with about 18 kids. A few seasons ago even HE was looked at. At least he was given the opportunity to work out with teams (opportunities he didn't take advantage of) but nevertheless remember the reports of workouts with dallas and possibly chicago? So yes, at this point I am inclined to start leaning towards conspiracy theories. Cause fact remains, he may not be a 30pt a night guy but he can still score. A guy with his ability yet hasn't even been given as much as a workout opportunity... Something is up. more than meets the eye.

T-Mac didn't either leave or was kicked from a combination of three straight teams in two seasons. He was traded often, yes, but not alright cut. Yes, the injury bug plagued T-Mac, and there has been questions about whether he'll play a role that fits his age at this point, but it's not like he was on one team one day and on another three months later. No, a better argument could've been made for T-Mac being conspired against than AI if T-Mac couldn't get on a team this year.

Same for Kemp. Has he had any issues with his team or did he just get in run-ins with the law? Getting in trouble with the law is always a problem, but it's not the same as always seeming to be leaving teams left and right for this or that reason.

Face it, no one wants a 35 year old guy who can supposedly only play one side of the ball (supposedly can still score, but probably can't D to save his life) and might only desire one role (a starter as opposed to a bench player). Where is the conspiracy? That once upon a time he was a great player? Well, so was MJ.

[moiso]

McGrady is a lot younger, a lot taller, and a better shooter.  He wants to start but says he will play any role.  He hasn't quit any teams.

Kemp got invited to work out to see what he could do.  He wasn't in the league for years.  You can't just sign a guy like that without seeing what is left in the tank.  All kinds of guys get invited to workouts- such as McCants and Mobley right now.  These guys are unknowns because they have been out of the league.

Iverson is not an unknown.  He is very known in fact.  Why invite him for a workout when you already know everything you need to know?  Everyone knows he is not happy unless he is a main man, so why invite him to audition for a role he doesn't want?  What would be the point?  There is no conspiracy.  His game has simply declined enough that he is not worth the potential headaches.

[ManUp]

These threads drive me crazy. I thought Iverson himself made it very clear he isn't willing to accept a role of the bench. And he isn't willing to take reduced minutes. What's not to understand?