Red Sox Trade for Jeremy Hermida

[twistedrico]

Another great mediocre off-season signing by truEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.nd theo.

[scootman]

and this is what separates us from the yankees

[winsomme]

I don't mind this move if it is a prelude to bigger moves down the road.

I think it's pretty clear what needs to happen. We need to boost the middle of our lineup with a big time hitter. and we are going to have to overpay to get him.

The two names for me are Mauer and Hanley....and I would overpay to get one of them.

Mauer's contract is up after this year, so we need to get him now if at all. If he reaches FA, the Yanks will surely win the money battle. The Twins fanbase is totally in love with him and they have a new stadium opening, but can they really afford to give one player 20 million a year?

Hanley has a similar draw for FLA with a new stadium and has a decent contract for next season, but it rapidly grows after that (up to 15 million in 2012). Plus we would be overpaying to get him, so the Marlins would be getting a nice influx of young talent that would help their payroll and keep them competitive for the playoffs.

Mauer IMO would be the prize because he could catch and then V-Mart could move to first (he will be a much more effective hitter if he is not catching IMO).

If something like this happens, then I don't have a problem with letting Bay walk and having Hermida play LF (although we would have a very lefthanded lineup). But we could keep Lowell to play 3B and DH with Papi.

The FA move (having lost Clay in a trade) would be to sign Sheets.

Then our lineup is:

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Mauer
VMart
Youk
Papi
Drew
Hermida
SS

starters:

Beckett
Lester
DiceK
Sheets
Wake

[Rondo2287]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

[winsomme]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

[Rondo2287]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

They have to, they are getting a new stadium, he is their franchise guy and a Minnesota born player.  They will sign him.

[winsomme]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

They have to, they are getting a new stadium, he is their franchise guy and a Minnesota born player.  They will sign him.

that is a huge shift in the payroll structure. Maybe you're right, but it's going to have to happen soon because if he hits FA the Yankees are going to pounce....

Personally, I don't see the Twins paying one player 20+ million, but maybe Mauer will take less to stay there....

anyway, I would make a huge offer to the Twins to get him...

[MattG12]

Hanley most likely stays with the Marlins.
Mauer absolutely will not leave the Twins.

[winsomme]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

They have to, they are getting a new stadium, he is their franchise guy and a Minnesota born player.  They will sign him.

Adrian Gonzalez is from San Diego and is very popular player there too, but I think the talk about him being moved can be looked at as a parallel to Mauer.

San Diego has a new stadium that they need to fill too and the question that I think these teams (SD, FLA, MIN) need to ask is whether having a star player (who commands a major portion of the teams payroll) is more important than having more talent across the roster with younger more affordable players...

The first instinct is to say that you need to keep the popular star player, but for a team that can't compete with the big big team payrolls, I'm not sure that is the best way to go.

Seeing how Minny handles this will be interesting, but I do think there is an offer that we could make that would be too good for them to pass up.

Same for all three players actually....Hanley, Gonzalez, and Mauer.

[Rondo2287]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

They have to, they are getting a new stadium, he is their franchise guy and a Minnesota born player.  They will sign him.

Adrian Gonzalez is from San Diego and is very popular player there too, but I think the talk about him being moved can be looked at as a parallel to Mauer.

San Diego has a new stadium that they need to fill too and the question that I think these teams (SD, FLA, MIN) need to ask is whether having a star player (who commands a major portion of the teams payroll) is more important than having more talent across the roster with younger more affordable players...

The first instinct is to say that you need to keep the popular star player, but for a team that can't compete with the big big team payrolls, I'm not sure that is the best way to go.

Seeing how Minny handles this will be interesting, but I do think there is an offer that we could make that would be too good for them to pass up.

Same for all three players actually....Hanley, Gonzalez, and Mauer.

Except Florida and Minny are competitive, SD is not.  That is why they are more likely to dump an all start to rebuild.  Especially since they traded Peavy. 

[nickagneta]

If Mauer is being moved it will be at 11:59 PM of July 31st, 2010. There is absolutely zero chance of the Twins moving the native born, wildly popular, best catcher in the game before the season and before seeing if they have a chance of competing for the division. None whatsoever. So for those thinking of Mauer this off season, forget it. The Sox won't be able to lure him out of Minny this off season and will wait for Varitek's contract to run out, along with others and throw gobs of cash Mauer's way in the 2010 off season.

Hanley Ramirez is another story. Florida might move Ramirez for the right package but there's no way the Sox meet that price this year. After next season, when Ramirez's contract starts to escalate and the Sox can pay a bit less due to the Marlins obvious need to dump him before the big contract kickers hit, they will go all out for him as well.

I'm telling you, this is going to be a transition year where the Sox try to use up players on their last years of their contracts, stay away from big free agent signings(because there aren't much great ones out there, if any) and make do and drop off if they have too.

[winsomme]

No way we are getting Mauer, Mauer is staying in Minny and Florida is about to get a new stadium as I recall, there is no way they give up their franchise player. 

how does Minny pay Mauer 20 million per season?

They have to, they are getting a new stadium, he is their franchise guy and a Minnesota born player.  They will sign him.

Adrian Gonzalez is from San Diego and is very popular player there too, but I think the talk about him being moved can be looked at as a parallel to Mauer.

San Diego has a new stadium that they need to fill too and the question that I think these teams (SD, FLA, MIN) need to ask is whether having a star player (who commands a major portion of the teams payroll) is more important than having more talent across the roster with younger more affordable players...

The first instinct is to say that you need to keep the popular star player, but for a team that can't compete with the big big team payrolls, I'm not sure that is the best way to go.

Seeing how Minny handles this will be interesting, but I do think there is an offer that we could make that would be too good for them to pass up.

Same for all three players actually....Hanley, Gonzalez, and Mauer.

Except Florida and Minny are competitive, SD is not.  That is why they are more likely to dump an all start to rebuild.  Especially since they traded Peavy. 

but SD still has pressure to fill a stadium....and the question is how best to do that for a team that doesn't have the big big payroll.

Minny spending 20+ million on one player IMO is not a foregone conclusion...especially if they are offered a great package for a player...

[winsomme]

If Mauer is being moved it will be at 11:59 PM of July 31st, 2010. There is absolutely zero chance of the Twins moving the native born, wildly popular, best catcher in the game before the season and before seeing if they have a chance of competing for the division. None whatsoever. So for those thinking of Mauer this off season, forget it. The Sox won't be able to lure him out of Minny this off season and will wait for Varitek's contract to run out, along with others and throw gobs of cash Mauer's way in the 2010 off season.

Hanley Ramirez is another story. Florida might move Ramirez for the right package but there's no way the Sox meet that price this year. After next season, when Ramirez's contract starts to escalate and the Sox can pay a bit less due to the Marlins obvious need to dump him before the big contract kickers hit, they will go all out for him as well.

I'm telling you, this is going to be a transition year where the Sox try to use up players on their last years of their contracts, stay away from big free agent signings(because there aren't much great ones out there, if any) and make do and drop off if they have too.

A lot of what you are saying makes sense in terms of the timing of when FLA and/or MIN would want to make moves, nick.

but there just aren't rebuilding years in Boston. If the Sox don't make moves, they are going to get run over the coals considering how much money is spent by its fan base.

plus, the amount that MIN gets in trade offers will go way down if they wait that long. Mauer would have to agree to an extension with the trading team and why would he do that when he is that close to getting a big payday from the Yankees (I mean in FA .

If MIN wants to get the most in trade for him, the time to do it is now....or close to now...

[nickagneta]

If Mauer is being moved it will be at 11:59 PM of July 31st, 2010. There is absolutely zero chance of the Twins moving the native born, wildly popular, best catcher in the game before the season and before seeing if they have a chance of competing for the division. None whatsoever. So for those thinking of Mauer this off season, forget it. The Sox won't be able to lure him out of Minny this off season and will wait for Varitek's contract to run out, along with others and throw gobs of cash Mauer's way in the 2010 off season.

Hanley Ramirez is another story. Florida might move Ramirez for the right package but there's no way the Sox meet that price this year. After next season, when Ramirez's contract starts to escalate and the Sox can pay a bit less due to the Marlins obvious need to dump him before the big contract kickers hit, they will go all out for him as well.

I'm telling you, this is going to be a transition year where the Sox try to use up players on their last years of their contracts, stay away from big free agent signings(because there aren't much great ones out there, if any) and make do and drop off if they have too.

A lot of what you are saying makes sense in terms of the timing of when FLA and/or MIN would want to make moves, nick.

but there just aren't rebuilding years in Boston. If the Sox don't make moves, they are going to get run over the coals considering how much money is spent by its fan base.

plus, the amount that MIN gets in trade offers will go way down if they wait that long. Mauer would have to agree to an extension with the trading team and why would he do that when he is that close to getting a big payday from the Yankees (I mean in FA .

If MIN wants to get the most in trade for him, the time to do it is now....or close to now...

You think there is no rebuilding in Boston. The fan base thinks there's no rebuilding in Boston. Theo Epstein and the front office of the Red Sox, that's another matter. Epstein has said on many occasions that the Sox will look to compete for championships on a regular basis but can't every year and that one out of very three or four years or so they will take a step back in the process to go forward in future years. They did it in 2006. They are going to do it in 2010. Believe me.

[winsomme]

If Mauer is being moved it will be at 11:59 PM of July 31st, 2010. There is absolutely zero chance of the Twins moving the native born, wildly popular, best catcher in the game before the season and before seeing if they have a chance of competing for the division. None whatsoever. So for those thinking of Mauer this off season, forget it. The Sox won't be able to lure him out of Minny this off season and will wait for Varitek's contract to run out, along with others and throw gobs of cash Mauer's way in the 2010 off season.

Hanley Ramirez is another story. Florida might move Ramirez for the right package but there's no way the Sox meet that price this year. After next season, when Ramirez's contract starts to escalate and the Sox can pay a bit less due to the Marlins obvious need to dump him before the big contract kickers hit, they will go all out for him as well.

I'm telling you, this is going to be a transition year where the Sox try to use up players on their last years of their contracts, stay away from big free agent signings(because there aren't much great ones out there, if any) and make do and drop off if they have too.

A lot of what you are saying makes sense in terms of the timing of when FLA and/or MIN would want to make moves, nick.

but there just aren't rebuilding years in Boston. If the Sox don't make moves, they are going to get run over the coals considering how much money is spent by its fan base.

plus, the amount that MIN gets in trade offers will go way down if they wait that long. Mauer would have to agree to an extension with the trading team and why would he do that when he is that close to getting a big payday from the Yankees (I mean in FA .

If MIN wants to get the most in trade for him, the time to do it is now....or close to now...

You think there is no rebuilding in Boston. The fan base thinks there's no rebuilding in Boston. Theo Epstein and the front office of the Red Sox, that's another matter. Epstein has said on many occasions that the Sox will look to compete for championships on a regular basis but can't every year and that one out of very three or four years or so they will take a step back in the process to go forward in future years. They did it in 2006. They are going to do it in 2010. Believe me.

you may be right nick, but they are going to get a lot of heat if they go into next season with essentially the team we have now minus Jason Bay...