Rajon Rondo just doesn't get it. And that's why he doesn't have a new contract.

[moiso]

We get great shots when Rondo is in there. 
Yeah, it's strange that Ray is playing the point.  I think it's mainly because House is so much better at the 2 guard position on offense.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

[nickagneta]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

I'm not knocking him for it my dilemma is that why is he playing it. Isn't that why we brought in Marquis Daniels? So if Marquis and Ray and House are all in together it is Daniels at the 3, House at the 2 and Ray at the PG position because so far, that is what I have seen and I don't like it. Let Ray play the SF on offense, House the 2 and Daniels the one and then on defense let Daniels guard the 3, Ray the 2 and House the PG.

[GKC]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

Your kidding right? Do you watch the games? He did this in 08 with Eddie bringing the ball up court and then having Ray take it at the top of the key (until we got Cassel). He did the same thing last year until Marbury was signed.

In fact, he did it for long stretches in Seattle when Ridnour was injured (and he actually averaged a very high ast% for a SG)

I think he's doing it until Marquis gets more comfortable into that role.

[crownsy]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

Your kidding right? Do you watch the games? He did this in 08 with Eddie bringing the ball up court and then having Ray take it at the top of the key (until we got Cassel). He did the same thing last year until Marbury was signed.

In fact, he did it for long stretches in Seattle when Ridnour was injured (and he actually averaged a very high ast% for a SG)

I think he's doing it until Marquis gets more comfortable into that role.

He did it last night because both paul and daienls had 3 fouls early in the second quarter.

He didn't do it alot all preseason, nor in the CLEV game. I'm more inclined to agree with bud.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

I'm not knocking him for it my dilemma is that why is he playing it. Isn't that why we brought in Marquis Daniels? So if Marquis and Ray and House are all in together it is Daniels at the 3, House at the 2 and Ray at the PG position because so far, that is what I have seen and I don't like it. Let Ray play the SF on offense, House the 2 and Daniels the one and then on defense let Daniels guard the 3, Ray the 2 and House the PG.

Yep, I have been displeased with Daniels not running the offense more often for whatever reason. But that stretch during the 2nd quarter, wasn't Daniels out because of foul trouble?

Your kidding right? Do you watch the games? He did this in 08 with Eddie bringing the ball up court and then having Ray take it at the top of the key (until we got Cassel). He did the same thing last year until Marbury was signed.

In fact, he did it for long stretches in Seattle when Ridnour was injured (and he actually averaged a very high ast% for a SG)

I think he's doing it until Marquis gets more comfortable into that role.

Not usually to the extent that he was last night. You remember Tony Allen? Yep, he mostly ran the offense when he was inserted with the bench. Playing through Ray at times is not the same as playing the PG role, which he kinda did quite often last night.

Seattle was Seattle, and we're quite a few years from there. Again, you prepare differently for each role. Seriously, if his role was exclusively to be the backup PG you don't think he would prepare himself differently? Watch and study films differently? Study his teammates differently?

[BballTim]

I would go with dominating again last night.  The left handed pass across court to PP was a thing of beauty.  He's making a case for the max.  

unless the PG is named Magic or Paul I would never pay a PG max.  They just aren't worth it.

Oscar? In his prime Jason Kidd? West? Cous? Pete Maravich? Stockton?

I smell the exaggeration train coming in.

  I'd have given the max to Isiah.

  While I'm probably alone in this I'd never give that to Stockton. I never saw him as a "put the team on his back and carry them in crunch time" kind of player.

Gotta defend my guy here - Stockton was the master of the pullup 3 in transition in big moments.  It was the shot that won the WCF for them in 97.  He also hit the series winning jumper with <1 second left in Game 5 of the first round against Sacramento in '99.  And it wasn't a coincidence that the final shot was designed for him and not Malone in Game 6 of the 98 Finals (he missed it, but he was the guy they wanted taking it).  Not to mention all the perfect passes he threw to others in big moments.

His stats were partly a product of Utah's system, but the man was clutch by any definition.

  I'm not saying he wasn't good, and I'm not saying that he wasn't clutch. I just don't think he was the kind of player that could take over a gamewhen you really needed him to and get the team over the hump when they were in need of it.

[BballTim]

Yeah, but also it's not a role Ray is used to playing or practices for. I'm sure that if that was his role coming into the season and he would prepare for it like he prepare for everything else in his game he would be doing a much better job at it.

Ray playing PG is an anomaly that won't occur often for us anyways... so I don't think we need to knock him for it.

Your kidding right? Do you watch the games? He did this in 08 with Eddie bringing the ball up court and then having Ray take it at the top of the key (until we got Cassel). He did the same thing last year until Marbury was signed.

In fact, he did it for long stretches in Seattle when Ridnour was injured (and he actually averaged a very high ast% for a SG)

I think he's doing it until Marquis gets more comfortable into that role.

  I'll admit that this is a pet peeve of mine, but it's going to be a long season and it seems to be a little early on to read "Do you even watch the games" in every thread. I disagree with a lot of what BudweiserCeltic says about Rondo, and I have in the past. But he seems to have enough knowledge about what happens that I know he watches the games.

[tmpalomino]

I think this is way too harsh towards Rondo.  I hope we don't forget how terrible our PG play was before Rondo was in town.  He isn't perfect, but don't tell me you wouldn't put him in the top third of all PGs in the NBA.  His shot could get better.  It seems better through two games this season.

I know he's a little spacey too and doesn't always seem focused but aren't we being a little harsh?  I don't think he's worth Deron Williams or Chris Paul money.  If THAT is the issue, then we have a way to go on this.  

[EDITED]

Celts look great through two games though.  I'm excited and that includes excitement over Rondo's continued development.  

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[GKC]

I would go with dominating again last night.  The left handed pass across court to PP was a thing of beauty.  He's making a case for the max.  

unless the PG is named Magic or Paul I would never pay a PG max.  They just aren't worth it.

Oscar? In his prime Jason Kidd? West? Cous? Pete Maravich? Stockton?

I smell the exaggeration train coming in.

  I'd have given the max to Isiah.

  While I'm probably alone in this I'd never give that to Stockton. I never saw him as a "put the team on his back and carry them in crunch time" kind of player.

Gotta defend my guy here - Stockton was the master of the pullup 3 in transition in big moments.  It was the shot that won the WCF for them in 97.  He also hit the series winning jumper with <1 second left in Game 5 of the first round against Sacramento in '99.  And it wasn't a coincidence that the final shot was designed for him and not Malone in Game 6 of the 98 Finals (he missed it, but he was the guy they wanted taking it).  Not to mention all the perfect passes he threw to others in big moments.

His stats were partly a product of Utah's system, but the man was clutch by any definition.

  I'm not saying he wasn't good, and I'm not saying that he wasn't clutch. I just don't think he was the kind of player that could take over a gamewhen you really needed him to and get the team over the hump when they were in need of it.

I mean, they did get to the finals twice on a beastly western conference, and a lot of the runs were fueled by him. It's hard to judge point guards on "taking over" like Isiah did, because many do it with their passing. Destroying the lanes and finding your open man. Dishing out 5 assists in a fourth quarter while making your shots.

For a guy who wasn't that athletic, small, and to still have one of the greatest assist numbers, assist rates, assist to TO% AND shoot 50%?

If that's not a max contract I don't know what is.

[nickagneta]

Bud there was about a 7-8 minute combined total of time when Ray, Daniels and House were playing together. it was at the end of the first and beginning of the second, until Giddens replaced Daniels because of 3 fouls and end of the 3rd and beginning of the fourth when Ray was finally taken out. During those times, Ray played the point almost exclusively. It just confused the heck out of me because after all the banter about Daniels coming in and being the guy running the offense for the second unit, for long stretches they have Ray doing it, which I think weakens his game considerably.

Maybe you are right and Daniels doesn't have a full handle on the total offense yet so they are giving him time to adjust but I hope not. I don't think I like Ray at the point for this team at all. Of Course, once Scal is back, Doc will probably go to his all Green team second unit and Ray, Daniels, and House will probably see very little time on the floor together.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Bud there was about a 7-8 minute combined total of time when Ray, Daniels and House were playing together. it was at the end of the first and beginning of the second, until Giddens replaced Daniels because of 3 fouls and end of the 3rd and beginning of the fourth when Ray was finally taken out. During those times, Ray played the point almost exclusively. It just confused the heck out of me because after all the banter about Daniels coming in and being the guy running the offense for the second unit, for long stretches they have Ray doing it, which I think weakens his game considerably.

Maybe you are right and Daniels doesn't have a full handle on the total offense yet so they are giving him time to adjust but I hope not. I don't think I like Ray at the point for this team at all. Of Course, once Scal is back, Doc will probably go to his all Green team second unit and Ray, Daniels, and House will probably see very little time on the floor together.

OK, I missed the first quarter so that should be it, that's why I asked.

Still I'm curious why Daniels is not playing the PG role more often. Even with House in there, House is playing more of a PG role than I envisioned with Daniels in there.

[nickagneta]

Bud there was about a 7-8 minute combined total of time when Ray, Daniels and House were playing together. it was at the end of the first and beginning of the second, until Giddens replaced Daniels because of 3 fouls and end of the 3rd and beginning of the fourth when Ray was finally taken out. During those times, Ray played the point almost exclusively. It just confused the heck out of me because after all the banter about Daniels coming in and being the guy running the offense for the second unit, for long stretches they have Ray doing it, which I think weakens his game considerably.

Maybe you are right and Daniels doesn't have a full handle on the total offense yet so they are giving him time to adjust but I hope not. I don't think I like Ray at the point for this team at all. Of Course, once Scal is back, Doc will probably go to his all Green team second unit and Ray, Daniels, and House will probably see very little time on the floor together.

OK, I missed the first quarter so that should be it, that's why I asked.

Still I'm curious why Daniels is not playing the PG role more often. Even with House in there, House is playing more of a PG role than I envisioned with Daniels in there.

Scratching my head two, although with the defensive demon Wallace guarding Daniels last night maybe Doc didn't want him hindering the initiation of the offense.

I remember a few games last year when Rondo went up against a particularly fast and decent PG Doc would start the offense through Pierce most of the game. Can't remember the exact opponent but I remember him doing it 2-4 games last year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Bud there was about a 7-8 minute combined total of time when Ray, Daniels and House were playing together. it was at the end of the first and beginning of the second, until Giddens replaced Daniels because of 3 fouls and end of the 3rd and beginning of the fourth when Ray was finally taken out. During those times, Ray played the point almost exclusively. It just confused the heck out of me because after all the banter about Daniels coming in and being the guy running the offense for the second unit, for long stretches they have Ray doing it, which I think weakens his game considerably.

Maybe you are right and Daniels doesn't have a full handle on the total offense yet so they are giving him time to adjust but I hope not. I don't think I like Ray at the point for this team at all. Of Course, once Scal is back, Doc will probably go to his all Green team second unit and Ray, Daniels, and House will probably see very little time on the floor together.

OK, I missed the first quarter so that should be it, that's why I asked.

Still I'm curious why Daniels is not playing the PG role more often. Even with House in there, House is playing more of a PG role than I envisioned with Daniels in there.

Scratching my head two, although with the defensive demon Wallace guarding Daniels last night maybe Doc didn't want him hindering the initiation of the offense.

I remember a few games last year when Rondo went up against a particularly fast and decent PG Doc would start the offense through Pierce most of the game. Can't remember the exact opponent but I remember him doing it 2-4 games last year.

Not necessarily for that reason, but you can see that when our offense gets a bit stagnant Doc might opt to just run some pick and rolls with Pierce at the top. Particularly during the 4th quarter. For the most part it has been a successful play for us, particularly during our championship run.

But the same thing happened during the first game with Daniels and the Cavs... would LeBron defending him might be the reason too?

Can't really tell. We'll see how the next game goes. It's Chicago right? So maybe Deng will be on him.