Stephen Jackson worth the headache?

[jdub1660]

Okay. I wanna know the updated opinion of Stephen Jackson after his new "2 game detrimental team suspension".
We already know his contract his fairly large for his age, BUT, to win championships we gotta spend the money. Lakers have the largest salary this year and that was with losing Ariza and getting Artest for "free".
He got suspended for seemingly fouling out on purpose then sent to the locker room. He could just be another frustrated star on a garbage team that wants to win, even though he's making the wrong decisions on getting out of GS.
I myself am on the Capt Jack bandwagon, always have. Love his game, think he deserved the big contract, and think he's worth every penny given he's willing to be the 6th man.
What would it take to get Capt Jack? GS doesn't want just cap relief, and I can come to mind to trade House. So are draft picks worth anything from Boston? B/c I'd trade Scal(plus cash to buy him out) Tony Allen, Giddens, and a 1st rounder or 2.
That trims our roster down to keep Sweetney, we get our 6th man, and we could go back and get Scal instead of Sweetney.

[RAcker]

We are set.  No way do I bring him in even without the baggage because of what we'd have to give up to get him.

[TheRev72]

The answer to this question is a resounding YES.  Jackson is a winner.  He is a strong personality and has had some off the court troubles.  But he clearly showed with the Spurs that he can mesh with a championship team.  And he is a apparently a friend of Perk's.  If the C's second unit consisted of House, Daniels, Jackson, Baby, and Wallace, our bench could beat half the teams in the league.

That said, I'm not sure we have the combination of players/contracts the Warriors would want so this is  a moot point.

[guava_wrench]

The answer to this question is a resounding YES.  Jackson is a winner.  He is a strong personality and has had some off the court troubles.  But he clearly showed with the Spurs that he can mesh with a championship team.  And he is a apparently a friend of Perk's.  If the C's second unit consisted of House, Daniels, Jackson, Baby, and Wallace, our bench could beat half the teams in the league.

That said, I'm not sure we have the combination of players/contracts the Warriors would want so this is  a moot point.

I have a hard time calling him a winner just because he was on a Spurs championship team.

If he actually wanted to come off the bench behind Ray and Pierce, than he is worth the headache. I don't see him being happy with that setup, especially with Daniels also being worthy of minutes.

[celticsclay]

He would be worth it if he was comfortable being our 6th or 7th best player. However, I am not sure he is ready for that despite his desire to play for his winner. It seems like he probably has a few more years of being the man or co man in his mind before he gets into chasing a ring vet mode. As for his baggage, his teammates for the most part seem to like him quite a bit. He has obviously done some pretty knuckle head things, but seems to have kept his clean the last few years. He has also been a part of a few successful teams (I believe he won a ring with the spurs). All of these points are pretty moot however, because if he were to be traded there are simply too many other teams that can make better offers then the celtics.

[PosImpos]

Our bench is pretty much fine the way it is.  Honestly, we don't need to make any big trades right now.  There are hardly enough minutes to go around for our bench guys at the moment. 

Eddie House and Marquis Daniels are both more than solid for 15-20 minutes a game, and that's all we can really offer to backups at the 1-3 spots.  What would we do with a guy like Stephen Jackson, or for that matter, Andres Nocioni?  We'd have to simply not play Daniels at all, which would make his acquisition pointless.

If there are any free minutes left on the bench, they're going to be earned by guys like Bill Walker (once he's back), Tony Allen (unfortunately), Scalabrine, and Lester Hudson.  Maybe even Giddens.  But those will be peanut-minutes. 

It's always easy to talk about how great our team would be if we added starters from other teams to our bench, but it doesn't make any sense if you think of it from the perspective of what minutes we could really give them.  In any case, getting a player of true quality from another team would most likely mean giving up a starter via trade, or at the very least significantly reducing the minutes of one of our starters.  When you have the best starting 5 in the league, there's simply no reason to even think about doing that.  Ever.

[greenwise]

Not worth it. I was never a big fan of his game anyway. Let him go to Ohio and destroy their chemistry

[samjones]

Now that we've had 1/8 of the season pass by, and can see the strengths and weaknesses of this team, I wondered if opinions had shifted on this matter. Biggest impediment is whether Golden State would accept Glen Davis (with House and other fillers) as the big man they supposely wanted in a trade, but they sound more desirous of a trade every day.
More to the focus of my post, I'm not that comfortable with the bench/rotation and with Ray at this point. I'm more comfortable with a Hudson, Daniels, Jackson, Williams, Wallace bench than I am the House, R.Allen, Daniels, Williams, Wallace rotation we've been seeing. House just can't penetrate and finish, or penetrate and dish, and the plays die when the ball hits his hands and he is closely guarded. He rushes his shots when closely guarded because of his height, and no one fears his ability to penetrate. We end up with R. Allen going one-on-one, partly because Wallace does not seem to want (or is not asked) to set up in the low post consistently. Hudson has been impressive in his ability to drive and dish (albeit a very limited sample against scrubs in garbage time). And his defense could be much better than Eddie's by the time the playoffs rolled around. I don't think we would end up sacrificing that much swapping Hudson for House, and Jackson would give us a bigger defender, not only for the second unit, but also at the end of games. Jackson and Pierce give us the bigger bodies to defend the LeBron James/Joe Johnson types. Teams are going at Ray, both in one-on-one situations and on the boards. There are signs of drop-off with Ray this year.
Next year, Jackson moves into the starting line-up, and either Ray returns at a greatly reduced price, or Marquis returns for a portion of the MLE. Rondo's increase, Jackson's salary, and Marquis's bump in salary would pretty much be offset by the loss of Ray's salary.   

[bdm860]

Not worth it. I was never a big fan of his game anyway. Let him go to Ohio and destroy their chemistry

I think Stephen Jackson is tough as nails, I would not want him anywhere near Cleveland.  I think he'd put them over the top.