College football 2009

[Roy Hobbs]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

[Eja117]

Wait, what's the controversy?

If people are worried about Boise State being disrespected, shouldn't they be heralding the BCS system, which is keeping Boise St. in the top five despite the voters jumping them?

Isn't that more like "sauce for the goose"? They're justifying their unfair system by putting certain teams high enough to (hopefully) placate them into not complaining ... not sure that's worth heralding.

How so?  I'm not following your argument.  What is the correct result, and how have the computers / voters kept that from happening?

I understand the criticism of voters for jumping Boise St. (first with Virginia Tech, then with USC and Cincy).  I don't understand what the current issue is, though; the computers seemingly have rectified whatever injustice was done by the jumping.

The correct result should probably be Boise St #2 or 3 but that didn't happen in any poll and it won't at the end of the season either, no matter what happens.

You think Boise State would beat Alabama, Florida, or Texas?  Until one of those three teams lose, I consider them the three best in the country.

Well there was this thing called the Fiesta Bowl where mighty Oklahoma got beat. Then last year when undefeated Utah beat the snot out of Bama, which had been the #1 team in the country.

We just saw Texas beat Oklahoma by two whole points without Bradford on the field. That's the same Oklahoma that BYU beat handily but with a healthier Bradford. We just saw the Gators beat Arkansas at home in the last 30 seconds.  Bama is the same team as last year, but with a new QB and without their 1rst round pick Andre Smith

so yes. I think it's feasible that BSU is # 1 or 2.

Wow...just wow.

That's what you said last year while Utah was crushing Bama in a BCS bowl right?

The sense of entitlement by the BCS teams despite consistent failure against the non-BCS teams is astonishing.

Hawaii. They got beat pretty bad. The BCS teams have that going for them

I'm glad you just brought that up since you already made the Andre Smith excuse for me.  Remember, that suspension came just a couple of days before that game.  Thanks.

Andre Smith made the difference between 31-17? Wow

[Eja117]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

[Eja117]

The same thing happens to BC. They went to two straight ACC championship games so the ACC was suddenly having "down years" because BC and Wake Forest was winning and not FSU or Miami.  So did BC and Matt Ryan get to go to good bowls like the Chick-FilA Bowl? heck no! how many times do they have to beat the FSUs, Miamis, Notre Dames, etc to get the respect they have? And they DID merge with a major conference.

[Roy Hobbs]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

Until they play quality competition week in and week out -- rather than once a year -- they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt over other undefeated teams.

It's a lot easier to be undefeated when you're facing Tulsa, rather than teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee or Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma St., etc., etc.

What it boils down to is that Boise will only play one decent team until its bowl game.  The power teams will have to go through literally seven or eight teams (at least) that are better than anybody in Boise's conference.

Again, if they want to be respected, quit ducking good competition and play against the major teams every week.  They've shown they belong on the national stage.  Now, they need to show they belong there every week.

[Donoghus]

The same thing happens to BC. They went to two straight ACC championship games so the ACC was suddenly having "down years" because BC and Wake Forest was winning and not FSU or Miami.  So did BC and Matt Ryan get to go to good bowls like the Chick-FilA Bowl? heck no! how many times do they have to beat the FSUs, Miamis, Notre Dames, etc to get the respect they have? And they DID merge with a major conference.

ACC was considered having "down years" because they had no one coming near national championship contention.  The league has been plagued by parity (which can be a very good thing) but hasn't had any "true contenders".   The fact they weren't churning out national championship game contenders is the basis for the bulk of the argument why the ACC is "down".  

BC wasn't getting those Chick-Fila Bowl bids because of economics and BC's reputation as a poor traveling fan base.  The Chick-Fila Bowl wasn't obligated to take BC for their bowl and would gladly jump at a VT or FSU to fill its ACC slot because they know they be able to sell those tickets.  With BC coming in, its not even close to a guarantee.

And neither of those BC teams were ever seriously being considered national title contenders.

[Roy Hobbs]

The same thing happens to BC. They went to two straight ACC championship games so the ACC was suddenly having "down years" because BC and Wake Forest was winning and not FSU or Miami.  So did BC and Matt Ryan get to go to good bowls like the Chick-FilA Bowl? heck no! how many times do they have to beat the FSUs, Miamis, Notre Dames, etc to get the respect they have? And they DID merge with a major conference.

Well, the fact that they were playing in the championship game with three losses suggests that the league wasn't as strong as it could be, right?

[RAcker]

eja, the bottom line is, Alabama and Florida would beat Boise St. by 3 touchdowns even without several key players healthy. Utah's team last year would beat this year's Boise St. team.  Utah is now mediocre.  That's the way the Mountain West and WAC is.  I lived out there when in college and it's pseudo-football.

The difference is, with Saban here now, Alabama is going to consistently be this good.  Hold the two teams up to each other and Alabama has 4 running backs that would start for Boise St. right now (Ingram, Richardson, Upchurch, Grant).  Our entire defense would become their starting defense. They do not have an advantage at any defensive position.

I'm done. I've said my peace.  I'm going to watch The Nick Saban Show now so that I can hear from the best coach in college football.  Ask Spurrier.  

 

[RAcker]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

Until they play quality competition week in and week out -- rather than once a year -- they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt over other undefeated teams.

It's a lot easier to be undefeated when you're facing Tulsa, rather than teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee or Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma St., etc., etc.

What it boils down to is that Boise will only play one decent team until its bowl game.  The power teams will have to go through literally seven or eight teams (at least) that are better than anybody in Boise's conference.

Again, if they want to be respected, quit ducking good competition and play against the major teams every week.  They've shown they belong on the national stage.  Now, they need to show they belong there every week.

Ditto.  Utah played Alabama last year after we went undefeated through the SEC and barely lost to Florida in the SEC Championship (which the Mountain West has no equivalent).  They obviously didn't take Utah seriously and paid for it.

Let Utah play Alabama's schedule last year and they don't even make it to the Sugar Bowl because they would have had 3 or 4 losses. 

[Eja117]

The same thing happens to BC. They went to two straight ACC championship games so the ACC was suddenly having "down years" because BC and Wake Forest was winning and not FSU or Miami.  So did BC and Matt Ryan get to go to good bowls like the Chick-FilA Bowl? heck no! how many times do they have to beat the FSUs, Miamis, Notre Dames, etc to get the respect they have? And they DID merge with a major conference.

Well, the fact that they were playing in the championship game with three losses suggests that the league wasn't as strong as it could be, right?

No. Not exactly. You've given the BCs of the world a catch 22. If the Virginia Techs come out of the league against a FSU it's a strong league. But if they come out of the league against a team that beats FSU it's a weak league? And you advise BSU to go to a major conference. That's exactly what BC did. But as Donoghus put it they were never considered for a national championship game. I seriously doubt that if BC had been undefeated and Texas and Florida each had a loss that it would have been BC in the championship game. With Boise St knowing that there's not really any point to BSU moving to leagues of teams they beat when they play them

[RAcker]

FAIL!

[Eja117]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

Until they play quality competition week in and week out -- rather than once a year -- they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt over other undefeated teams.

It's a lot easier to be undefeated when you're facing Tulsa, rather than teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee or Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma St., etc., etc.

What it boils down to is that Boise will only play one decent team until its bowl game.  The power teams will have to go through literally seven or eight teams (at least) that are better than anybody in Boise's conference.

Again, if they want to be respected, quit ducking good competition and play against the major teams every week.  They've shown they belong on the national stage.  Now, they need to show they belong there every week.

LSU wasn't good last year. They had a freshman QB and 5 losses. Tennessee had a losing season last year. Auburn had a losing season last year. Arkansas had a losing year last year. In fact. They lost to Tulsa. Bama lost to Utah.

The SEC was a weak conference last year. There was nothing impressive about a one loss season in the SEC last year

Texas and Oklahoma were good last year. Kansas was 8-5 with a loss to South Florida. Ok St had 4 loses. One to Oregon, whom BSU beat. Nebraska had 4 loses. Texas Tech had a strong year and lost their bowl to Ole Miss. Missouri had 4 losses and barely beat Northwestern in OT in their bowl. Colorado had a losing season.

Last year Utah should have been in the championship game and probably would have won. But that can't happen in the BCS.

[RAcker]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

Until they play quality competition week in and week out -- rather than once a year -- they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt over other undefeated teams.

It's a lot easier to be undefeated when you're facing Tulsa, rather than teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee or Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma St., etc., etc.

What it boils down to is that Boise will only play one decent team until its bowl game.  The power teams will have to go through literally seven or eight teams (at least) that are better than anybody in Boise's conference.

Again, if they want to be respected, quit ducking good competition and play against the major teams every week.  They've shown they belong on the national stage.  Now, they need to show they belong there every week.

LSU wasn't good last year. They had a freshman QB and 5 losses. Tennessee had a losing season last year. Auburn had a losing season last year. Arkansas had a losing year last year. In fact. They lost to Tulsa. Bama lost to Utah.

The SEC was a weak conference last year. There was nothing impressive about a one loss season in the SEC last year

Texas and Oklahoma were good last year. Kansas was 8-5 with a loss to South Florida. Ok St had 4 loses. One to Oregon, whom BSU beat. Nebraska had 4 loses. Texas Tech had a strong year and lost their bowl to Ole Miss. Missouri had 4 losses and barely beat Northwestern in OT in their bowl. Colorado had a losing season.

Last year Utah should have been in the championship game and probably would have won. But that can't happen in the BCS.

Okay, you are saying that Utah would have beaten Florida last year?  I have to ask...do you watch football?   

[Eja117]

FAIL!

This is ironic on many levels.

[Eja117]

Alabama has beaten 3 ranked teams, but Florida, Boise St, Texas, Cincy, Iowa, and TCU have all beaten only 1 ranked team and are all undefeated.

Florida and Texas shouldn't just automatically have a higher ranking, but they do

So you are saying that Alabama should be #1 and Boise St. should be #2 ahead of Florida?

Any team that is undefeated in the SEC should automatically be ahead of any team in the WAC, Pac 10, Mountain West, etc.  Period.

Big 12 ain't too shabby either.

I can't say anything other than I agree.  Boise State simply doesn't face the same level of competition.  If they want to be treat on par with teams in the power conferences, they should think about merging with one of them (presumably, the Pac-10 or the Big 12).

Pac 10? Like Oregon? Big 12? Like Oklahoma? Why merge with teams inferior to you?

Until they play quality competition week in and week out -- rather than once a year -- they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt over other undefeated teams.

It's a lot easier to be undefeated when you're facing Tulsa, rather than teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee or Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma St., etc., etc.

What it boils down to is that Boise will only play one decent team until its bowl game.  The power teams will have to go through literally seven or eight teams (at least) that are better than anybody in Boise's conference.

Again, if they want to be respected, quit ducking good competition and play against the major teams every week.  They've shown they belong on the national stage.  Now, they need to show they belong there every week.

LSU wasn't good last year. They had a freshman QB and 5 losses. Tennessee had a losing season last year. Auburn had a losing season last year. Arkansas had a losing year last year. In fact. They lost to Tulsa. Bama lost to Utah.

The SEC was a weak conference last year. There was nothing impressive about a one loss season in the SEC last year

Texas and Oklahoma were good last year. Kansas was 8-5 with a loss to South Florida. Ok St had 4 loses. One to Oregon, whom BSU beat. Nebraska had 4 loses. Texas Tech had a strong year and lost their bowl to Ole Miss. Missouri had 4 losses and barely beat Northwestern in OT in their bowl. Colorado had a losing season.

Last year Utah should have been in the championship game and probably would have won. But that can't happen in the BCS.

Okay, you are saying that Utah would have beaten Florida last year?  I have to ask...do you watch football?   

Yes. And the difference between you and I is that you see what you want to see while I see what I want to see. (you read that right)