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Anybody know if Rondo learned how to shoot this summer?
« on: August 30, 2009, 06:23:06 PM »

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One of the things that I personally am concerned about is Rondo learning how to shoot the ball.  Ive been waiting for some confirmation from anyone that this guy has been working hard all offseason on the midrange jumper and beginning to hit it with more consistency.  However, I cant find news of this sort anywhere.  Anybody know what hes been up to this entire offseason?

Response I'm most looking for: "Yeah Rondo's been taking 700 jumpshots a day since the end of the playoffs and hasn't missed one from outside of 13.5 feet in 3 weeks!!"  (This would be proof of some sort of Higher Being)
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Re: Anybody know if Rondo learned how to shoot this summer?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 06:47:22 PM »

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Yeah Rondo's been taking 700 jumpshots a day since the end of the playoffs and hasn't missed one from outside of 13.5 feet in 3 weeks!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 08:13:02 PM »

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What has always disturbed me about Rondo's shooting is that he always seems to be expected to improve by himself. If you have a flaw in your mechanics, shooting more shots just means you make the flaw worse. Anyone with a slice in golf can tell you that. There is a known-it-all father in my town who takes his kid to the gym and has his kid take endless job shots. However I cringe everytime I see this kid's talent being wasted. He shoots from his chest which means anyone above 5 feet can block it in a real game and he has no way to adjust his shot to taller players. Rondo's release needs fixing and you do that with video and a shooting coach. It is a shame that someone so athletic doesn't have serious shooting instruction.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 08:18:19 PM »

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Well, I know at the very least, he's playing basketball... http://www.twitvid.com/5C0E4
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 08:26:50 PM »

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Its good to see his passing is still as unique as its ever been from that video.


Quote from: oldmanspeaks on August 30, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
What has always disturbed me about Rondo's shooting is that he always seems to be expected to improve by himself. If you have a flaw in your mechanics, shooting more shots just means you make the flaw worse. Anyone with a slice in golf can tell you that. There is a known-it-all father in my town who takes his kid to the gym and has his kid take endless job shots. However I cringe everytime I see this kid's talent being wasted. He shoots from his chest which means anyone above 5 feet can block it in a real game and he has no way to adjust his shot to taller players. Rondo's release needs fixing and you do that with video and a shooting coach. It is a shame that someone so athletic doesn't have serious shooting instruction.
 

I would only assume that being a part of the Celtics means you have a shooting coach and video sessions showing you where your mechanics are wrong.  If the Celts cant help this guy out I propose we put him into a gym with Ray Allen for 2 weeks and dont let him leave.  If he comes out of that gym and still cant shoot then theres no hope.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 08:35:54 PM »

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The celtics have no shooting coach that I know of (a lot of teams don't). They rely on their assistants from what I can tell. The "pro" coaches's egos seem to keep them away from the true shooting coaches. If anyone has seen any of the Celtics being instructed on shooting with a coach while having his release filmed, I would like to hear about it. This has bothered me for a long time. I have seen a lot of players at the high school, college, etc who never get any real shooting instruction (other than "take 500 shots" type of thing)
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2009, 08:49:59 PM »

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Quote from: oldmanspeaks on August 30, 2009, 08:35:54 PM
The celtics have no shooting coach that I know of (a lot of teams don't). They rely on their assistants from what I can tell. The "pro" coaches's egos seem to keep them away from the true shooting coaches. If anyone has seen any of the Celtics being instructed on shooting with a coach while having his release filmed, I would like to hear about it. This has bothered me for a long time. I have seen a lot of players at the high school, college, etc who never get any real shooting instruction (other than "take 500 shots" type of thing)


If we have no shooting coach, and you say most teams don't..then how can we explain Big Baby's newfound ability to hit midrange jumpers.  From what I hear it was a repetition thing aka 500 jumpshots but there had to be someone guiding him along.  You dont go from being lost in the jungle when it came to jumpers to hitting game winners versus the Magic in the playoffs. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2009, 08:50:51 PM »

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Quote from: oldmanspeaks on August 30, 2009, 08:35:54 PM
The celtics have no shooting coach that I know of (a lot of teams don't). They rely on their assistants from what I can tell. The "pro" coaches's egos seem to keep them away from the true shooting coaches. If anyone has seen any of the Celtics being instructed on shooting with a coach while having his release filmed, I would like to hear about it. This has bothered me for a long time. I have seen a lot of players at the high school, college, etc who never get any real shooting instruction (other than "take 500 shots" type of thing)

i know dana barros has worked a little with rondo.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2009, 08:51:33 PM »

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Quote from: oldmanspeaks on August 30, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
What has always disturbed me about Rondo's shooting is that he always seems to be expected to improve by himself. If you have a flaw in your mechanics, shooting more shots just means you make the flaw worse. Anyone with a slice in golf can tell you that. There is a known-it-all father in my town who takes his kid to the gym and has his kid take endless job shots. However I cringe everytime I see this kid's talent being wasted. He shoots from his chest which means anyone above 5 feet can block it in a real game and he has no way to adjust his shot to taller players. Rondo's release needs fixing and you do that with video and a shooting coach. It is a shame that someone so athletic doesn't have serious shooting instruction.

Ray Allen seems to think differently. When Ray first started working with Rondo he had Rondo working on repetition instead of changing his form. Form probably makes it easier, but I have to agree with Ray it's about repetition. Kevin Martin is a great shooter, and his jumpers far from textbook.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2009, 08:56:30 PM »

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Quote from: ManUp on August 30, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: oldmanspeaks on August 30, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
What has always disturbed me about Rondo's shooting is that he always seems to be expected to improve by himself. If you have a flaw in your mechanics, shooting more shots just means you make the flaw worse. Anyone with a slice in golf can tell you that. There is a known-it-all father in my town who takes his kid to the gym and has his kid take endless job shots. However I cringe everytime I see this kid's talent being wasted. He shoots from his chest which means anyone above 5 feet can block it in a real game and he has no way to adjust his shot to taller players. Rondo's release needs fixing and you do that with video and a shooting coach. It is a shame that someone so athletic doesn't have serious shooting instruction.

Ray Allen seems to think differently. When Ray first started working with Rondo he had Rondo working on repetition instead of changing his form. Form probably makes it easier, but I have to agree with Ray it's about repetition. Kevin Martin is a great shooter, and his jumpers far from textbook.
I agree -- repetition over form
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2009, 09:04:12 PM »

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The goal of a shooting coach is not to create perfect form. It is to help the guy to have a repeatable form and how to tell when the shooter is making variations. Basically the idea is that everytime you miss a shot, you should know "exactly" why. There are a ton of great shots who have something weird about their shot. However they do the exact some thing everytime. Once you identify what is the right form for that particular shooter, then reps help. (there is no difference than what a good golf coach does than what a good shooting coach does. If you are a fat old man like me, the golf coach shouldn't try to get me to swing like Tiger Woods).

It is difficult to improve by yourself because until you really understand your own stroke, you don't recognize you are changing your arc slightly or releasing slightly lower or losing your follow through or having bad body position, etc, etc. I think every team should have a shooting coach like a golf coach. Of course guys like Ray Allen don't need it but we all can't be Ray Allen.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2009, 10:07:47 PM »

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Given Rondo's ineptitude shooting the basketball, it's hard for me to believe he hasn't had coaches talking form to him for quite some time. Now, it's probably repetition.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 11:27:09 PM »

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yeah, he's a regular plaxico burress or dick cheney now.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2009, 12:48:22 AM »

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I think for Rondo, he is an unusual case when it come to shooting, He's a point guard with hands the size of a PF/C. So i think he needs to focus more on hand placement on the ball rather than form. hand-placement would be an aspect of form  i suppose, rather than getting a total revamped shooting form. He needs to adjust his hands on different spots on the ball to find what works for him. he also needs to work on  hand-placement on the ball, "off the dribble , into  a shot" as well as hand placement on the ball "off of the pass into a shot" and passes from all different angles.

I just believe his hands are holding him back because their just, Quite Frankly, HUGE! He should focus on the small things like hand placement, b/c with his hands so big, he has little room for error when it comes to hand/finger spacing on the ball on his shot.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2009, 01:19:58 AM »

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What I really want to know is if he can shoot a respectable FT % next season. As for the jumper I have no expectations so I can be pleasantly surprised if it shows significant improvement.
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