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Fake Playoffs are Here: Hype your Team/Matchup!
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Playoffs Preview Round 1:

Seattle (4) vs Phoenix (5)


This has already been somewhat debated:
Phoenix v Seattle- Part 1: LINK, Part 2: LINK, Part 3: LINK

PART 1: State of the Suns

Ok. The regular season is done. Where does my roster stand?

Some of my guys I don't see changing much and I don't want to waste your time having to read about them. That involves Roger Mason Jr, Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto, Kyle Korver, and mostly Josh Howard.

Rajon Rondo: He didn't have 'the big 3' to stand behind this season, and he loved it. In rugby, traditionally there are two captains; a wing captain and a forwards captain. I like this dichotomy. It worked for the Celtics in 08/09, and I want to apply it here.

Rondo has evolved into my wing captain. Early in the season with the record sitting at about 10-7, there was an altercation. During a game against a spunky Sacramento team, the Suns were up 5pts midway through the third quarter. Coach Burgess Meridith put in Nate Robinson and a lot of the second unit to hold the line and maybe extend it while the starters got some rest.

Nate Robinson took his "Nate the Great" act a little too far. He hit two quick threes to extend the lead, but then it went down hill. The Kings quickly retaliated, or more exactly Steve Blake retailiated, hitting a three in Nate's face, then bilking Nate with an up fake, before hitting the lane and finding Jason Thompson with a flashy ally-oop after Jason Smith rotated to find his man. Steve Blake let out a well-deserved roar of triumph, and Nate soon started yapping. Before long, Nate's urge to prove he is the better player got the best of him and the ball movement stopped.

Nate then turned in a 0-3 shooting performance with 2 turnovers, while the Kings turned a 10 point deficit into a 5 pt lead.

The Ghost of Burgess Meridith called a timeout. John Calipari demanded Nate Robinson come out, but Burgess declined. He knew Nate had to come around, and the sooner the better.

The whole time during the timeout, Nate sat passively on the bench, with a "who, me?" expression plastered on his face.

Rondo had had enough. This was not the first time that Nate's shooting addiction had derailed the offense. He walked over and started yelling. Telling Nate to drop the ego and play the game, and reminding him that he was on a 1yr contract, and that unless he wanted to learn Italian, he'd better learn to be more than a spark that only fires every other game. Nate's face went from placid denial to rage.

Burgess in his old timey ghost wisdom, took out Roger Mason Jr, and inserted Rondo into the lineup, with explicit instructions that Nate was to bring up the ball.

Nate brought the ball up, and passed it to Rondo, not playing the offense. Rondo passed it right back and screamed on local television "RUN THE ------ OFFENSE YOU ------- PANSY! GROW UP!"

Nate ran the offense. Jason Smith hit a 5ft jumper. Back on defense Nate and Rondo had a dueling match, with Nate taking Steve Black to task like a hard nosed cornerback knocks around a soft WR. The game turned around, and so did the way the team saw Rondo.

Rondo anticipated stats:
12pts, 5rbs, 8assists, 2TO's, 2stls, 48%fg, 37%3pt.

I don't think he makes the leap to elite shooter or anything, but I do think he becomes more than an afterthought. The rest of the game, you know.

Roger Mason Jr: He's fresh off a full season as a starter for a solid, solid team in the Spurs. His confidence is high, and role is defined. He's not gonna win most improved player, but he's not going to fall off from a sound shooter and defender.

Josh Howard: Josh Howard is not the ideal player to have on your team off the court. He's prone to idiot moments. We don't need to hash them over, but lets say if it was found out that he was related to Stephon Marbury, I would only be half surprised.

That said, on the court and in the lockeroom he's a company man. He's not a leader but he's not a disruption. He'll quietly average 20pts, 6rbs and be a sound two way player, often guarding the team's best wing scorer as long as its not a point. He'll continue to be underrated, but he'll do it in silence until the offseason.

"Big" Al Jefferson: Al Jefferson is a leader. Here is a recent excerpt from a piece about the real life rebuilding Wolves:

Quote from: TrueHoop
"2010-2011 could be something of a laboratory, too," says Kahn. "There are so many things that can change, but with the path we're on, I think the third year is the first time we can really expect to make a playoff push."

Al Jefferson, the team's MVP and the star they received in the Garnett trade, flatly rejects that schedule, saying "It shouldn't be no three years."

Jefferson also rejects the slow rebuild out of sheer confidence. "When you look at how quickly things turned around in Portland," he says, "when they got Brandon Roy and those young players ... it's up to us. We have some young players, but if we do what we're supposed to do we can make this happen faster."

Jefferson says he has been "doing everything I was supposed to do, and not doing everything I wasn't supposed to do." To play center, he had bulked up to 285 or bigger last season. This summer, after seeing the team draft speedster point guards Rubio and Flynn, and knowing he'd be running more than ever, he resolved to get back to his rookie weight of 265 (he's at 270 right now).

How does one drop weight while taking it easy on a healing knee? "Easy," he says. "I didn't go home to Mississippi and eat all that fried food. I stayed in Minnesota."

This is a quiet leader. He's a guy who goes out and plays hard every night. The only thing I think will change is that he'll have more energy to devote to defense. I don't intend him to do anything more on offense than he already does, besides hit 2.5% more on his jump shots, which he should when teams have to respect his SG, SF, and PG as quality offensive players.

Andris Biedrins: He already rebounds, he already finishes like a champ around the hoop, and he already outruns other centers down the floor. That didn't change in the past hypothetical season. He did improve on defense though. Once out of Nellie ball, he was forced to either devote more effort on the defensive side, or learn to shoot a reliable 15 footer. He opted for defense, and cemented his role as a top 10 center in the NBA.

Bench players:

Kyle Korver:
He's been the number 1 wing off the bench since the second year of his career. He rewards his teams with solid shooting, mistake free offense, and solid defense. He'll be my go to guy off the bench at the 2 and the 3.

Nate Robinson: He's lived in an unruly environment for 4 years in New York. He had some issues with playing in a more structured system. It wasn't easy, but he learned he had two options: either learn to defer to Rondo and play within the coach's system, or sit out his one year contract and learn to face life without playing in the NBA.

He's not always a pleasant guy to be around, and he's got a big mouth. But his teammates learned to respect him for a loyal guy to have in the lockerroom, and learned to stop paying attention when he gets in his moods. Nate Robinson choose to play for the Suns, and the Suns in turn chose to take the good with the bad from Nate Robinson. Teams chose to leave in their starters a little longer, because you can't leave just anyone out there to guard 'Little' Nate, owner of the most explosive 10pts in basketball.

Kosta Koufos: This shooting big got to play a lot more than he bargained for this season, and while he didn't progress too much on the defensive end, he did find the shooting stroke he seemed to have left behind at Ohio State last year.

The unexpected contribution he made this year was that he was able to spread the floor much more effectively for Al Jefferson. While the rebounding numbers dropped, Al Jefferson's scoring efficiency goes up when Koufos hits the floor. There aren't many teams that have a viable offensive post threat as a second string player at the center position, so when their starter comes out, so does ours, and his rediscovered shooting stroke means that Al Jefferson gives them fits.

09/10 season stats: 12 mpg, 6pts, 6rbs, 42% FG on jump shots

Jason Smith: Jason Smith had an up and down year for the Suns this year. His rebound from injury was not as smooth as we would've liked, and he didn't regain total mobility until at his estimation January.

While he didn't make the progress we wanted on the offensive end, his added bulk this offseason proved useful. He took his limitations seriously, and greatly improved his effort on the defensive end. He's still an ok offensive player but he really earned his playing time being the best defender on the pick and role we had all season. He's not strong enough to stop players like Dwight Howard from getting where they want to be, but he is good enough to stop teams that play a two man game from exploiting rotations.

09/10 hypothetical stats: 10 mpg, 3pts, 4rbs, opponent PER: 10.09

Josh McRoberts/Ersan Ilyasova:
The biggest weakness we thought we had was a tough transition. Josh McRoberts showed he has absolutely no acumen for the SF position. He was slow to defend the starters, and his outside shooting hasn't regained the ability he showed in college. He made his living off of garbage points and 15 footers in the playing time he saw. The one place he showed promise was defending so called hybrid forwards like Boris Diaw and Rashard Lewis. Guys that were too big to be defended by common SF's found a willing adversary in McRoberts, and his speed was not an issue against these fellas.

Ersan Ilyasova however really distinguished himself. His shooting was deserving of more time, but his defense was above our expectations. His 2 years in Europe really seasoned him, and he showed that confidence on the defensive end. He often insisted on take the hardest defensive assignment on the floor when he saw time, and usually didn't disappoint (beyond Rashard Lewis's 10 points in 3 mins on a rainy sunday in January).

He still shot 37% from long range and showed a willingness to head for the hoop when he had the chance, both qualities he had before his 2 years abroad.

In the end, Ilyasova got the majority of the mins between himself and McRoberts. While McRoberts retained his role when specific players (noteably Rashard Lewis, to a degree Thad Young) are on the court, against the majority of teams, Ilyasova saw more time.

09/10 hypo stats:
McRoberts: 4MPG, 2pts, 1.5 Rbs, .7 blks
Ilyasova: 8.5 MPG, 4pts, 2rbs, 38% 3pt FG %

Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto started playing more mins in early Janruary. Not both in the same games, and neither played heavily in back to backs. That's over now. More to come on that in the matchups vs Seattle.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
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Let's have it, guys.  Why is your team better than the other?

Alright, since I'm here. I'll give it go.

the Houston Rockets vs the Dallas Mavericks

My first impression was that having already lost the Southwest to Dallas, the Rockets were fighting an up hill battle. But breaking down the votes for the division alone, I was happy to find out we held the slightest of leads, 10 votes to 9 (with 2 votes going to Memphis and 1 to San Antonio).

My conclusion, fans are going to get their money's worth - both teams are going to push the tempo, move the ball, and deliver highlight plays - and this is going to seven games either way.

Why we win? Well this is one match-up where Houston's questioned front court has a height advantage: the 6'10" Bosh vs the 6'9" Lee, the 6'11" Randolph vs the 6'9" Smith, and the 6'8" Hill vs. the 6'7" Marion.

Still the Rockets' most notable edge is at SG where the 6'7" Johnson is a nightmare match-up for the 6'2" Jason Terry on both ends. Two games last season hold this up. J.J. doubled Terry's scoring output (27 ppg vs 13.5 ppg) and out shot him from behind the arc (8 3PM vs 2 3PM), though in rebounds and assists the two were nearly even.

At the point, Kidd will school Ellis in the finer points of orchestrating an offense (9 apg vs. 3.7 in three match ups), but despite his defensive savvy he doesn't have the foot speed to keep Monta out of the lane (9 ppg vs 19.3 ppg).
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It's the playoffs now. No more 13 deep like during the season. That helped us rest our stars, but now its time to shorten those rotations and go for the trophy. Don't expect our guys to go 45 or 43 minutes a game like Philly did with Iggy and Andre Miller last year. Or even 42.2 like Cleveland did with Delonte.



Bulls Playoffs:
Chris Paul : 40 mpg ('09: 40.5mpg)
Pau Gasol: 39mpg ('09: 40.5mpg)
Al Horford: 38mpg  ('08: 39.6mpg)
Kevin Martin: 38mpg ('09reg season 38.2mpg)
Raja Bell: 37 mpg ('08: 43mpg)
Back-up Big: Ryan Anderson: 19mpg
Back-up wing: Deshawn Stevenson 11 mpg
Backup wing: Keith Bogans: 10 mpg
Back Up PG: J-Will or Javaris C.: 8mpg
   
H. Armstrong: If two bigs get in serious foul trouble he will see minimal mins
3 rookies: Best one will be on active 12 (other 2 plus Mihm waive towels)


Bulls Starting line-up:


Possible Bench lineups:


















Bulls Main line-up:



Bulls starting 2nd half line-up



Bulls finishing close games line-up:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCQH8GMaZNQ And you thought Billups and Tony Parker put on good shows becoming Finlas MVP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_9F80T9Ek
Used to take Memphis all alone to the playoffs and Kobe couldn't get anywhere. Went to the Fakers and they've been in the Finals both years now. Amazing 2nnd option.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ytzGxxB1g
3rd option guy who is just getting better and better and can give you betwenn 25 and 50 points a night? You gotta be kidding me. This team is stacked!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqIyBuLAymY
How long are these man's arms? No surprise the Hawks started making the playoffs once he came. He's a bad mother...Now imagine him with a point guard who drops more than 4.9 dimes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_oCO9vNwOA
Don't try and double CP3 on drives. Raja, Martin, Bogans, Deshawn and Anderson can all stick the 3. And be careful or Raja will clothesline Kobe you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEAirJZmc-U
As a rookie this guy looked great. Now imagine him with a talented team. Your PF better go stick Anderson at the 3. But then CP3 will drive on us...what to do, what to do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCQEF1Sa8Y
Known for his defense this guy would guard an 8 foot alligator. Can also give you an offensive boost. Playing the Posey role of coming off a bad yr and ready to make that money in the Summer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxGQEyjRhg
We're fine with Javaris and his harassing D for 8 mins, but J-Will after several months back in the game will be a killer off the bench if called upon.

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Re: Western Playoffs are Here: Hype your Team/Matchup!
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Phoenix Vs Seattle: The Matchups:

We've talked about this a little. Here's a primer.

Seattle- Part 1: LINK, Part 2: LINK, Part 3: LINK

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Dallas vs Houston cont'd

As for the benches: I'll take the sophomore Augustin over the rookie Jennings in the battle of young point guards; and Bobby Jackson over Anthony Carter in the battle of veteran journeymen without contract offers.

I prefer the offensively gifted Aussie, David Andersen to the Canadian shot blocking specialist Sam Dalembert; and have chosen Nocioni's clutching and grabbing and 3PT shooting to Marquis's many weak joints and excellent midrange game.

And at power forward, Al Harrington has a reputation for wilting under pressure (8 ppg on 38% shooting and 5 rpg in 36 playoff games) while Leon Powe has a Championship ring and DeJuan Blair has a chip on his shoulder and multiple college rebounding records.

Why we lose: Should the ball bounce the other way, it was probably because of Kidd's leadership and expert passing. Or because Lee battled Bosh to a standstill (in four match-ups last season Bosh's only notable advantage was his 6 blocked shots to Lee's 1). Or the highly active Smith and Marion blocked a few of Monta's otherwise open, momentum-swinging, alley-oop dunks; and canceled their 3PT shot put contest. Or maybe I was wrong about Anthony Randolph (no, that one is impossible, right?).

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Why I think Utah will win the 1vs8 matchup.

Overview of the Starting lineup match-ups.

PG: Chris Duhon                   Chauncey Billups


SG: Ray Allen                     C.J. Miles


SF: Al Thornton                   Antoine Wright


PF: Antawn Jamison                Dirk Nowitzki


C: Dwight Howard                  Chris Kaman


Starting at the center position Howard is the most phsyically dominate player in the league now that Shaq has seen his better days.  He's a great rebounder and shot blocker.  He also finishes plays strong, dunking the ball.  He doesn't have many, if any, post moves as of yet so it will be interesting to see if he ever learns some.  With that said he has a huge advantage over Kaman.  However Kaman is a very big, strong center that can come as close to anyone matching his strength.  I also have the shot blocking abilities of Lopez, and then two bangers in Collison and Songaila to throw at him.  Howard will be getting no easy buckets in this series.  I have 24 fouls to use on him and plan on using every single one if need be. 

Jamison is a great offensive player and solid rebounder, however his average defense leaves a lot to be desired. I think he can score on Dirk, and he gets his 18-20 points, but Dirk is going to light him up for 25+ this series. 

The Small Forward matchup goes to the young Al Thornton.  Wright is a nice shooter and decent defender, however I don't think he can stay with Thornton.   The only thing going against Thornton is that he is young and hasn't had play off experience, while at least Wright got some last season for Dallas, though his minutes decreased in the playoffs compared to the regular season. 

Ray Allen is one of the purest shooters in the game.  The question is will that shot be their come playoff time.  The past two years he has struggled throughout the playoffs shooting.  Some games he still has the stroke, sweet as ever, but he's a year older now and the question has to be asked.  If this series goes more than 5 games will that shot be there?  Matching up against Ray I have the young, atheltic, C.J. Miles, who will dogging him all game.  C.J. isn't the scorer Ray is, but he's improving and will hopefully give Ray some trouble.  I think the advantage is for Ray if the shot if falling, if not, Buffalo loses one of its scorers. 

Finally at the point guard spot, Duhon vs Billups.  Sorry, but Billups should destroy him and dominate this series.  I like Duhon, he's a solid ball handler and has good court vision.  He is a pure point guard that doesn't look for his own shot.  However, he's going up against one of the leagues best point and Mr. Big Shot himself.  How will he fair against a guard that can lock him up hopefully damming up the river thus stopping the flow of the offense.  Then he has to waste energy sticking to Billups on offense.  How good a defender is Duhon?  Well I guess we will find out. 


Comparing Benches-  Like I said earlier, I have 3 other bigs on my bench ready to throw at Howard.  However if Howard gets in foul trouble he can turn to one of the top back up bigs in the game in ZaZa Pachulia and has veteran big Brain Skinner on the bench as well.  I like ZaZa, but if R. Lopez improves like I think he will, I like my backup bigs better. 

The backup guards..he has Brown and Sergio...both who have seen little game time.  However I have Goran Dragic, who also is a very young euro guard like Sergio.  However I have Mike James waiting in the wings if Dragic struggles and I really like him as a decent ball handler and shooter off the bench if need be.  I think the back up point guards are a split.

At shooting guard I have high scoring Flip Murray, while he has the taller, Q-Rich.  Both will enter the game and jack up shots.  I think this is a split as well. 

Finally my last case...and biggest question mark is Dunleavy.  I'm expecting him back for the 2nd half of the season, and will use him off the bench.  If he can give me 15 minutes a night that would be a huge lift to my bench, giving me an all around player that has size and can spread the floor. 

I'll leave it up to you guys to vote how you like, but I really like how my team stacks up against Buffalo. 

Oh and question... whoever has Klezia, doesn't have him since he signed to go play in Europe.  I can't remember who has him, but he's on Buffalo's roster on the playoff matchups, and was crossed out on one of the other pages. 



Re: Western Playoffs are Here: Hype your Team/Matchup!
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Phoenix Vs Seattle: The series

Matchups:

Point guards:

Phoenix-Rondo (starting), Robinson, Mason Jr
Seattle-Ford(starting), Bayless, Daniels

This matchup is kinda tough for Phoenix. Tj Ford is the only, THE ONLY guy who can 'out rondo' Rondo.

Rondo still rebounds better, passes better, and overall defends better than Ford, but somehow, Ford scores on Rondo. I can't explain it, neither can you. Hoyo can't even explain it, but its true.

The glimmer of light I see here beyond Rondo's obvious rebounding and assist numbers is that the construction of Hoyo's team doesn't suit a guy who is going to get 17 pts on a lone wolf mission.

Ben Gordon needs the ball to be the player he can be (and was against boston in the first round), Thad Young needs someone to get him in a position to score points if he's not in a transition game. These are areas Seattle suffers from in a half court game. Still, I can't say Rondo can stop TJ Ford from scoring.

As far as the bench goes, Daniels has proven he's not the player anymore he was in Washington two years ago. But Bayless is a good young player. Young, however, is the important word there. He didn't play much with Portland and against a seasoned ballsy scorer like Robinson he's not gonna be able to be very effective defensively. He also hasn't shown that scoring touch he was so known for in college. Hoyo actually agrees with me here.

I agree with your Robinson over Bayless assessment right now, but Robinson at 5'9 won't be able to do much defensively against Bayless or even Ford.

Shooting guards:

Phoenix-Roger Mason Jr (starting), Kyle Korver, Josh Howard
Seattle-Ben Gordon, Dahntay Jones

This one probably favors Seattle if Ben Gordon is on. Probably is the operative word here. Roger Mason Jr is never going to explode against Ben Gordon, or really anyone. However, Ben Gordon needs room to operate, find a rhythm, to be the dangerous Ben gordon.

If we see the dangerous Ben Gordon early in a game, and Seattle shows a real willingness to go to him, we'll put Josh Howard on him as a defender when it counts. Heck, we might do it anyways.

SF: Thad Young gets a rep as a PF/SF prototype, but on Seattle he'll play a lot more SF than he will 4. Here, Seattle is at a severe disadvantage. Howard only gives up 1 inch and 10 lbs to Young, but he's got loads of expereince here that Young doesn't have. Howard has gone deep in the playoffs, he's been to the finals, and he's been the number 2 scorer for a contender for 4 years. Young doesn't stand a chance.

PF/C Matchups: The marquee matchup. Both teams got here because they possess dominant big men. Tim Duncan for Seattle, Al Jefferson for Phoenix. Duncan as a no-brainer, right?

Wrong. (like the drama?)

Here are Al Jefferson's numbers vs Tim Duncan since Big Easy went to Minny:

AVERAGES:    FG   FGA   FG%   ORB   DRB   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV   PF   PTS
Al Jefferson   10.43   20.86   0.51   2.29   6.43   8.71   1.29   0.57   2.00   1.43   2.86   25.14
Tim Duncan   7.71   15.86   0.50   2.86   10.29   13.14   3.29   1.00   2.86   2.43   3.00   19.57

Are you kidding me? 25pts!

Hoyo even said he'd put Duncan on Al the majority of the time.

There are two sides to the coin though. Timmy is a better offensive player than Big Al is a defensive guy. That matchup is a win for Hoyo. Here is the rub though.

Oberto will be my primary defender on Duncan. Whenever Duncan is in the game, so is Oberto. A guy who played for San Antonio for 4 years, a guy who probably was the main defender against him in practice, a guy who has been there with Tim when it gets hairy.

7ft, 34 year old crafty Oberto. He's going to elbow, push, pinch, tickle, whatever (I'm not judging) Tim every step of the way. Tim Duncan will have his hands full getting buckets.

The other two, Biedrins for Phoenix and K-Mart for Seattle seem to be the odd men out here. K-Mart is known for finishing the break, not initiating his own offense, and while he's a force on defense for most powerforwards, unless Tim is out or Jefferson is, Martin is going to be playing hard nosed cheap shot defense on a guy who will be hoping for garbage buckets at best. While both Oberto and Biedrins can make the most out of their offensive opportunities, the only ones they'll have is when K-Mart doubls on big Al, which he should, cuz my man gets 25 on Tim nightly.

Phoenix, FTW. :)

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Re: Fake Playoffs are Here: Hype your Team/Matchup!
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If anyone has questions about how Phoenix will dominate Seattle, ask them before you vote, give us a shot to change your mind....2TP's per pre vote question (1 question per person, JR)

On that note I've written like 1000 words tonight about a fake team. I need to go to bed, we'll do it again tomorrow.
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If anyone has questions about how Phoenix will dominate Seattle, ask them before you vote, give us a shot to change your mind....2TP's per pre vote question (1 question per person, JR)

On that note I've written like 1000 words tonight about a fake team. I need to go to bed, we'll do it again tomorrow.

IP, in "real life" Rondo has had a really hard time containing Rajon Rondo, for whatever reason.  In fact, Ford has dominated him on both ends, including the last time the teams played (outscoring Rondo 23-3).  Since the 2007 season, he's also had games where he's outscored Rondo 19-2, 28-16, and 32-2.

Why, of all the players in the NBA, does T.J. Ford give Rondo fits, and how can you contain him?




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Matchup Toronto Vs NJ

Miller       Derek Fisher
Garcia       Courtney Lee
Artest       Paul Pierce
KG           Elton Brand
Camby        Rasheed Wallace

Big Z        James Posey
Finley       Drew Gooden
Warrick      Beno Udrih
Belinelli    Eddy Curry
Barea        Shannon Brown

I believe that our biggest advantage in this matchup is in the backcourt.  Miller will have no problem taking it to Derek Fisher and while SG is definitly the area that would normally be our weak point against most teams, I think Garcia and Lee are about equal at this point in their careers. 

Artest and Pierce have always had epic battles against on another and I dont expect this to change.  In their Matchups in their career, Artest hold pierce to less PPG, a lower FG% less FTA as well as less rebounds and also forces Pierce into 3.5 Turnovers per game.  And at the end of the day, Artest has a winning record against Pierce. 

The frontcourts is definitely a good matchup. In defending we will have Camby covering Rasheed and KG covering EB.    Also we believe that KG on EB has always been good matchup For KG because of his length and quickness and the fact that EB doesnt like playing close inside, we have seen the matchups between the two in the past come out in KG's favor and we are confident that will hold true again. 

We appreciate everything that Posey did for the celts their championship year and we believe that having him matchup against Finley will be a good matchup.  Both have experience making Big shots in the playoffs as well as playing solid Defense. 

Another big advantage that we see is the Bigs off the bench.  We dont see anybody on NJ's Bench that can cover Big Z or anybody dynamic enough to cover Warrick. 

Overall this is a good matchup, but I think this NJ team is just a bit too old to keep up with Toronto and I just dont see how they can score enough points to stay with our team.  And when they go to the bench to spell their older guys like Sheed and Pierce I believe we can keep our foot on the gas. 

Taking into account Home Court Advantage

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Raptors 4-  Nets-2
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Overall this is a good matchup, but I think this NJ team is just a bit too old to keep up with Toronto and I just dont see how they can score enough points to stay with our team.  And when they go to the bench to spell their older guys like Sheed and Pierce I believe we can keep our foot on the gas. 

Taking into account Home Court Advantage

Prediction
Raptors 4-  Nets-2

I think you're off with this statement.  You team is no offensive powerhouse.  Your team is built on defense, so you better hope your defense can keep you in the game enough to where you offense be enough against other teams.

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No I mean assuming my team scores the ball at a decent clip I dont see the other team keeping up because we will hold them down.  But when you look at NJ Im not sure they are that much better offensively than Toronto is
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I mean starting Lineup PPG
Miller:16.3       Fisher:9.9
Garcia:12.7       Lee:8.4
Artest:17.1       Pierce:20.4
Kg:15.8            Brand:13.8
Camby:10.3        Wallace:12.00

totals
72.2                   64.5

and I know it doesnt really work this way, but at the same time I dont think that people should just assume that since my team is built on defense other teams are necessarily better offensively than Toronto because its just not true.
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IP, in "real life" Rondo has had a really hard time containing Rajon Rondo, for whatever reason.  In fact, Ford has dominated him on both ends, including the last time the teams played (outscoring Rondo 23-3).  Since the 2007 season, he's also had games where he's outscored Rondo 19-2, 28-16, and 32-2.

Why, of all the players in the NBA, does T.J. Ford give Rondo fits, and how can you contain him?

Well, before we say "give rondo fits" (which is a phrase nobody should be allowed to use until the beginning of the regular season after the last 2 weeks), lets take a closer look at the numbers.
From 2007/08 on:
Plaeyer  TRB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV   PF   PTS
Rondo  6.00   9.00   2.00   0.00   2.33   3.67   6.17
Ford     2.67   4.50   0.83   0.00   3.00   1.50   18.33

To me TJ Ford doesn't give Rondo "fits", to me TJ Ford can score on Rondo, and Rondo doesn't seem to be able to score on him. To further:
Plaeyer  TRB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV   PF   PTS
Rondo   7.67   13.67   2.33   0.00   3.67   3.67   8.67
Ford   4.33   5.00   0.33   0.00   3.00   1.00   15.67

Those as the last three games Rondo played against Ford.

Look, I agree that Ford is a good player, but Rondo doesn't turn into jelly when he plays him. Ford, being probably one of the fastest guards in the league, and definitely the fasted guard in the east when Rondo joined the league, has faced Rondo a lot, them both being in the same conference, and the same division for a lot of their careers.

But, I think the tide is turning. Rondo is getting more confidence as a player, and he's learning that he can impact the game in different ways.

Rounding off, 8pts, 8rbs and 14 assists is not a performance by a player who is being dominated. I think TJ Ford has something Rondo has a tough time with, more than anything I think its Ford's combination of attitude and speed.

How do I stop him? Well, if TJ Ford averages 16pts, 5rbs, 4 assists and 3 TO's and Rondo averages 8pts, 8rbs, and 14 assists, I don't stop him. I will take that any day. It may not be as flashy, but Rondo's blue collar stat line helps my team win more than TJ Ford's.
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I mean starting Lineup PPG
Miller:16.3       Fisher:9.9
Garcia:12.7       Lee:8.4
Artest:17.1       Pierce:20.4
Kg:15.8            Brand:13.8
Camby:10.3        Wallace:12.00

totals
72.2                   64.5

and I know it doesnt really work this way, but at the same time I dont think that people should just assume that since my team is built on defense other teams are necessarily better offensively than Toronto because its just not true.

Question: How does Ron Artest usually do against Paul Pierce?

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