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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #180 on: August 12, 2009, 09:02:50 PM »

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Phoenix: why are you avoiding my questions?   ???

I answered them all. At length in full essay form.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31054.msg561462#msg561462


Sorry.  Must be another team.  Vegas?

Well? What did you think? Agree/disagree?

For some reason this convo reminds me of a "Does he like her, or does he like her like her?" convo

I think its more of a hot or not thing.

More than anything I want to see if my arguements changed any minds about Phoenix. I feel like at the end of the season we're going to be peaking and at the top 3 of the conference (the top three teams of any conference are usually pretty close), I want to see if people who didn't see me there before, see me there now.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #181 on: August 12, 2009, 09:57:18 PM »

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You guys also fail to thing about the possibleity of me trade some of my younger guys for a veteran or what not.

I know for me, I won't be taking things like trade chips into account for the "win now" teams.  I think this is a more compelling argument for future-oriented squads.

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I think before passing judgemnt you should look at the numbers my guys averaged in both the pros and college for those that are rookies.

I agree, people should study your team.  However, keep in mind that some rookies are hard to project into the pros.  Every season, certain rookies break out, while others are busts.  Even a guy like Mike Beasley, who averaged 25+ ppg in college, had a fairly mediocre rookie year.  It's the primary reason why so many rookies fell so far down in our draft.


JJ Reddick

2005-06 at Duke      26.7 PPG, 47% FG%, 42.1 3PTFG%, 2.6 APG, 2.0 RPG, 1.4 STPG College Player of the Year
2006-07 in Orlando    6.0 PPG, 41% FG%, 38.1 3PTFG%, 0.9 APG, 1.2 RPG, 0.3 STPG Stiff

Any questions why college stats need be ignored when talking pro basketball??

In Riah's defense, Thabeet and Flynn were the #2 and #6 overall picks. Going by past history of top 6 picks I don't believe its a stretch for Sacramento to think these two rookies will contribute this season. Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love, and Gallinari were the top 6 picks last year. The first 5 were starters as rookies and the sixth would have been if he hadn't gotten hurt.


I'm going to add a little to this and say the JJ redick is and will always be a one dimensonal player which is shooting the three ball. Nothing less and Nothing More. He kinda reminds me of a taller eddie house
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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #182 on: August 12, 2009, 09:58:15 PM »

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You guys also fail to thing about the possibleity of me trade some of my younger guys for a veteran or what not.

I know for me, I won't be taking things like trade chips into account for the "win now" teams.  I think this is a more compelling argument for future-oriented squads.

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I think before passing judgemnt you should look at the numbers my guys averaged in both the pros and college for those that are rookies.

I agree, people should study your team.  However, keep in mind that some rookies are hard to project into the pros.  Every season, certain rookies break out, while others are busts.  Even a guy like Mike Beasley, who averaged 25+ ppg in college, had a fairly mediocre rookie year.  It's the primary reason why so many rookies fell so far down in our draft.


JJ Reddick

2005-06 at Duke      26.7 PPG, 47% FG%, 42.1 3PTFG%, 2.6 APG, 2.0 RPG, 1.4 STPG College Player of the Year
2006-07 in Orlando    6.0 PPG, 41% FG%, 38.1 3PTFG%, 0.9 APG, 1.2 RPG, 0.3 STPG Stiff

Any questions why college stats need be ignored when talking pro basketball??

In Riah's defense, Thabeet and Flynn were the #2 and #6 overall picks. Going by past history of top 6 picks I don't believe its a stretch for Sacramento to think these two rookies will contribute this season. Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love, and Gallinari were the top 6 picks last year. The first 5 were starters as rookies and the sixth would have been if he hadn't gotten hurt.


I'm going to add a little to this and say the JJ redick is and will always be a one dimensonal player which is shooting the three ball. Nothing less and Nothing More. He kinda reminds me of a taller eddie house

You can't compare drafts and expect the same. 

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #183 on: August 12, 2009, 10:07:32 PM »

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Two Lingering Issues Regarding Phoenix. A Bailey Dabble Production

There are two lingering and linked issues regarding the Fake Phoenix Suns that persist in holding back what the public expects Phoenix to accomplish in the upcoming hypothetical season.

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8 ) Doc Rivers (a pretty smart guy) has publicly mentioned a dislike for playing two "lane clogging" bigs together.  Your two starting big men are classic lane cloggers, with Big Al a poor jump shooter, and Biedrins maybe the worst shooting big man in the NBA (he shot .153 eFG% on jumpers!)  

a)  Can they co-exist?  

b) And with them filling the lane, how is Rondo going to be able to penetrate, especially when teams dare him to shoot (with his second-to-worst eFG% on jumpers among starting point guards)?
A) I don't think Al Jefferson is as poor a jump shooter as you say. He still hit 37% of his jump shots outside the painted area. Tim Duncan hits 41%, that's better, but not amazingly better. When you combine that with a really nice one dribble jump hook move that as Hollinger says is "Accurate up to 10 feet" from the basket, he's not exactly useless out there. He's also good enough so that players can't just leave him alone.

Biedrins is another story, but so is Perkins, and I bring him up because of how he's used. Perkins has really two big duties on offense, and that's to set picks at or around the free throw elbows and to get the easy baskets off the roll. Perkins does still shoot a better midrange J. Biedrins is really bad at this.

With Biedrin's size and mobility he'll be able to move more quickly and catch the ball higher in his movement to the hoop than Perk. Biedrins is a highly efficient finisher, and although he doesn't have all the fancy post moves that Al Jefferson does, he's gonna beat his man if he has a step.

B) Rondo may be second to worst last year, but he's improved his shooting each season. You pointed out that Rondo actually shot worse last year, but he shot a lot more, so that's expected in the growth of a player. The key word here is growth. I think his jumpshot this year will be better than his jump shot last year. I think his jump shot next year will be better than his jump shot this year. I don't think he's going to be Ray Allen, but he could be Tony Parker or Jason Kidd.

9) Building on the previous question, do you have concerns -- like Doc does -- about Rondo's shooting and scoring?  Also, do you question (like Danny Ainge did) his maturity, stubbornness, and failure to show up on time for playoff games?
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Rondo has been fighting this pigeon hole his entire life. "You can't have a franchise point guard that can't shoot a jump shot". Its a state of mind that I think I might have agreed with a few years ago, but after watching what Rondo can do, I think we can throw that out the window.

What am I doing wasting space rehashing what I just said though. I believe I can turn to my good friend and fellow GM Roy Hobbs to sum it up more sufficiently.

But he is not a franchise player, you can't have a franchise player who can't shoot.

It's difficult, but not impossible.  Gary Payton wasn't much of a shooter, either.  

I fully expect Rondo to improve his shot, though.

Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

As far as concerns about his maturity, well he's 23. At 23 I wasn't the most mature. Also in real life he plays with 3 guys who are all possible hall of famers. He's a competitive guy, and he wants to be seen as the best. I think when he's a primary leader on his own team (like he would be on my squad), he'll have to settle down and stop spending so much time annoying people and actually start leading them. We saw in the Chicago series that he's capable of it on the court, with time he should grow into it off the court.

Orlando took a similar approach with Dwight Howard. They surrounded him with players who would defer to his leadership, and it payed off. I didn't think it would work initially, but you can't argue with results. Howard might be a more dominant player than Jefferson, but I think the comparison to structure is valid.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #184 on: August 12, 2009, 10:17:07 PM »

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #185 on: August 12, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #186 on: August 12, 2009, 10:21:27 PM »

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A) I don't think Al Jefferson is as poor a jump shooter as you say. He still hit 37% of his jump shots outside the painted area. Tim Duncan hits 41%, that's better, but not amazingly better. When you combine that with a really nice one dribble jump hook move that as Hollinger says is "Accurate up to 10 feet" from the basket, he's not exactly useless out there. He's also good enough so that players can't just leave him alone.

Biedrins is another story, but so is Perkins, and I bring him up because of how he's used. Perkins has really two big duties on offense, and that's to set picks at or around the free throw elbows and to get the easy baskets off the roll. Perkins does still shoot a better midrange J. Biedrins is really bad at this.

With Biedrin's size and mobility he'll be able to move more quickly and catch the ball higher in his movement to the hoop than Perk. Biedrins is a highly efficient finisher, and although he doesn't have all the fancy post moves that Al Jefferson does, he's gonna beat his man if he has a step.
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Are u really saying Perk is worst than Biedrins at help D and effort
really? our beloved celtics center world champion perk

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B) Rondo may be second to worst last year, but he's improved his shooting each season. You pointed out that Rondo actually shot worse last year, but he shot a lot more, so that's expected in the growth of a player. The key word here is growth. I think his jumpshot this year will be better than his jump shot last year. I think his jump shot next year will be better than his jump shot this year. I don't think he's going to be Ray Allen, but he could be Tony Parker or Jason Kidd.

No he will not
specially now that boston will need that a little less.

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Rondo has been fighting this pigeon hole his entire life. "You can't have a franchise point guard that can't shoot a jump shot". Its a state of mind that I think I might have agreed with a few years ago, but after watching what Rondo can do, I think we can throw that out the window.



Rondo is just a kid in a men business
he and that other kid cant take u too high



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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #187 on: August 12, 2009, 10:22:14 PM »

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #188 on: August 12, 2009, 10:22:29 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

No roy, you said you "fully expect it". No take backsies.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #189 on: August 12, 2009, 10:23:45 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

No roy, you said you "fully expect it". No take backsies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said I "fully expect it next season".  I must have been using inviso-text for those last two words.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #190 on: August 12, 2009, 10:27:03 PM »

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A) I don't think Al Jefferson is as poor a jump shooter as you say. He still hit 37% of his jump shots outside the painted area. Tim Duncan hits 41%, that's better, but not amazingly better. When you combine that with a really nice one dribble jump hook move that as Hollinger says is "Accurate up to 10 feet" from the basket, he's not exactly useless out there. He's also good enough so that players can't just leave him alone.

Biedrins is another story, but so is Perkins, and I bring him up because of how he's used. Perkins has really two big duties on offense, and that's to set picks at or around the free throw elbows and to get the easy baskets off the roll. Perkins does still shoot a better midrange J. Biedrins is really bad at this.

With Biedrin's size and mobility he'll be able to move more quickly and catch the ball higher in his movement to the hoop than Perk. Biedrins is a highly efficient finisher, and although he doesn't have all the fancy post moves that Al Jefferson does, he's gonna beat his man if he has a step.


Are u really saying Perk is worst than Biedrins at help D and effort
really? our beloved celtics center world champion perk
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No I'm saying that Biedrins is better at finishing around the hoop, and he's more agile and taller, so harder to block with his athleticism

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B) Rondo may be second to worst last year, but he's improved his shooting each season. You pointed out that Rondo actually shot worse last year, but he shot a lot more, so that's expected in the growth of a player. The key word here is growth. I think his jumpshot this year will be better than his jump shot last year. I think his jump shot next year will be better than his jump shot this year. I don't think he's going to be Ray Allen, but he could be Tony Parker or Jason Kidd.

No he will not
specially now that boston will need that a little less.


What do you mean Boston will need it less? We didn't sign Earl Watson or something did we?

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Rondo has been fighting this pigeon hole his entire life. "You can't have a franchise point guard that can't shoot a jump shot". Its a state of mind that I think I might have agreed with a few years ago, but after watching what Rondo can do, I think we can throw that out the window.



Rondo is just a kid in a men business
he and that other kid cant take u too high


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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #191 on: August 12, 2009, 10:29:17 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

No roy, you said you "fully expect it". No take backsies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said I "fully expect it next season".  I must have been using inviso-text for those last two words.

Oh no, you just said you fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. Is he just gonna take next year off?

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #192 on: August 12, 2009, 10:32:19 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

No roy, you said you "fully expect it". No take backsies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said I "fully expect it next season".  I must have been using inviso-text for those last two words.

Oh no, you just said you fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. Is he just gonna take next year off?

You never know; he could regress, like he did from 2008 to last year.  By the end of his career, he'll improve, but much of that improvement is going to come from maturity and dedication to practice.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
« Reply #193 on: August 12, 2009, 10:40:39 PM »

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Like Roy I fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. I'm glad for once we agree on this.

While Rondo will improve his jump shot eventually, why should we expect it will be this season?  Wasn't Danny Ainge just publicly questioning his work ethic, after Doc questioned his maturity?

I *hope* he improves his jump shot.  I wouldn't bank on it, though.

No roy, you said you "fully expect it". No take backsies.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said I "fully expect it next season".  I must have been using inviso-text for those last two words.

Oh no, you just said you fully expect Rondo to improve his jumpshot. Is he just gonna take next year off?

You never know; he could regress, like he did from 2008 to last year.  By the end of his career, he'll improve, but much of that improvement is going to come from maturity and dedication to practice.

Maybe. I like the odds that he evolves though. I fully expect him to improve his jump shot next season.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Pacific Divison
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Just an update about why y'all missed out on the Suns:

If not for a minor hissy fit thrown by Rajon Rondo, his box score stat line would have read 25 minutes played -- and the Boston Celtics would be a .500 team thus far in the preseason.

But Rondo has been asked to take on a greater leadership role this season, and he did so with his words and his actions in a timeout late in the third quarter Tuesday night.

"He wanted to stay in. He begged to stay in. He said, 'I want to see if I can bring them back,'" Doc Rivers said.

Rivers yielded to Rondo's wishes, let him play the entire second half and watched his point guard lead Boston back from a 14-point deficit to defeat the New Jersey Nets, 91-88, in a preseason game at the Prudential Center, a few miles down the turnpike from the Meadowlands.

Rondo nearly had a triple-double, finishing with 18 points, 13 assists and 9 rebounds, and his pinpoint pass to Eddie House, coming off a perfect screen set by Glen Davis, led to a 15-footer with 32 seconds left that put Boston in front to stay.

"I just want to win. Doesn't matter if it's preseason to me," Rondo said. "You don't put on your uniform to lose, and I don't want to give any team any confidence; I wanted to win regardless of who we played or whether it's a preseason game or not. I just feel like I'm young, and I want to play as much as possible and continue to get better. The older guys, they may want to rest, but that's because they're veterans. Me, my third or fourth year in, I'd rather play."

That is my point guard, and that's one example of why my team was the best in the west.

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