2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[indeedproceed]

Voted:

Seattle over Buffalo: I hated to do it to my Pacific brethran, but I like Tim Duncan against Dwight Howard. That's not to say Howard isn't the more dominant player now, because he is, but I don't think Howard can stop Duncan on the same level Duncan stops Howard, and if Howard isn't all world this team kind of falls apart a little for me.

Portland over Houston: I don't think any three players on Portland are better than Houston's top three. That said, I don't think those three guys can win 7 games when Portland can just rotate the 2003 All-star team in and out.

[JSD]

KG has yet to surpass the first round without a 20 ppg scorer beside him. we've already gone over this, the notion that he can carry a team offensively is flawed. He needs a dynamic scorer (Sprewell/Pierce) to have success... History proves it.

"oh, but he led this and that in the 2008 playoffs"

Because Paul Pierce and Ray Allen allowed him the spacing to operate. Your team has no such weapons to allow KG to do that.

Think 2007 Timberwolves.

Rondo, no response here? Where's Kwit10? Maybe he can help. Clearly The alliance is still strong.

Hobbs? 

Um...  Pau Gasol has yet to win a game in the playoffs without Kobe Bryant playing next to him. 

Also, of course, your statement is wrong.  KG reached the Western Conference Finals when he was the only player scoring 20 or more, either in the regular season or playoffs.

That wasn't my point! He had Latrell Sprewell who was a proven scorer having AVG. over 24 ppg. in a season. and 18+ career.

[nickagneta]

KG has yet to surpass the first round without a 20 ppg scorer beside him. we've already gone over this, the notion that he can carry a team offensively is flawed. He needs a dynamic scorer (Sprewell/Pierce) to have success... History proves it.

"oh, but he led this and that in the 2008 playoffs"

Because Paul Pierce and Ray Allen allowed him the spacing to operate. Your team has no such weapons to allow KG to do that.

Think 2007 Timberwolves.

Rondo, no response here? Where's Kwit10? Maybe he can help. Clearly The alliance is still strong.

Hobbs?

When you look at Toronto you need to concentrate on how they would play defense not offense to understand why his team is so good. He has 3 people who have won or at least been candidates for defensive player of the year. They only need to score 85 points a game to win, that's how good their d is.

TP for Evantime, Defense and rebounding wins championships.

Nick, who are the champs right now? Defense and Rebounding huh? I'd say a go-to scorer combined with solidarity in other areas.

You do realize that the Lakers had the 5th highest rebounding differential in the league last year right?

http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable2.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

Or that the Lakers had the 2nd best defensive efficiency during the playoffs last year, right?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=defeff&seasonType=3&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3ddefeff%26seasonType%3d3%26league%3dnba

Or that the Lakers gave up the 5th lowest points per shot and 6th lowest FG% against last regular season, right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=teamstatoff&sort=pps&league=nba&season=2009&seasontype=2&avg=pg&order=false&split=999

[Roy Hobbs]

KG has yet to surpass the first round without a 20 ppg scorer beside him. we've already gone over this, the notion that he can carry a team offensively is flawed. He needs a dynamic scorer (Sprewell/Pierce) to have success... History proves it.

"oh, but he led this and that in the 2008 playoffs"

Because Paul Pierce and Ray Allen allowed him the spacing to operate. Your team has no such weapons to allow KG to do that.

Think 2007 Timberwolves.

Rondo, no response here? Where's Kwit10? Maybe he can help. Clearly The alliance is still strong.

Hobbs? 

Um...  Pau Gasol has yet to win a game in the playoffs without Kobe Bryant playing next to him. 

Also, of course, your statement is wrong.  KG reached the Western Conference Finals when he was the only player scoring 20 or more, either in the regular season or playoffs.

That wasn't my point! He had Latrell Sprewell who was a proven scorer having AVG. over 24 ppg. in a season. and 18+ career.

Great.  Your statement was still false.  If you meant KG was next to a guy who had once scored 20 ppg in a season, Toronto has that, too:  Ron Artest has been a 20 ppg scorer.

[JSD]

I'd say a go-to scorer combined with solidarity in other areas.

That only goes so far when the great defensive team limits / contains / shuts down the go-to scorer.

  The Lakers are champs with exactly what I described. What were Orlando's defensive numbers last season and in the playoffs?

[Edgar]

Thank for your support, Vote Portland!!

We are common friendly people[/size]

[Roy Hobbs]

Thank for your support, Vote Portland!!

We are common friendly people

Well, you are now that you jettisoned that blowhard of a former GM.

[indeedproceed]

Voted:

Orlando over Philly
Baron Davis is the one position for Philly I would call an outright win. Beyond that, its either a lose or a wash. Orlando on the other hand has wins in the front court both positions on either depth or starting talent, and wings on the wings from their starters. Orlando is a terrible matchup for Philly here, because without Carmelo, they look like they'd be kind of lost. Carmelo should still score points against Lebron, but LeBron is the best player in the NBA for a reason.

Toronto over Chicago
I want to vote Chicago, I really do. However Toronto has better depth, and while I don't think that Camby is better than Al Horford, I do think KG is significantly better than Gasol. Miller has shown in the limited time he's had against CP3 that he can compete, although I do think CP3 turns it on. Kevin Martin can absolutely score on Fransisco Garcia. Anyone who tells you different, lied. However, with weaksauce raja bell out there at the 3, Artest can move over and make Kevin Martin say uncle while Garcia only half tried on defense and focuses 100% on offense.

[JSD]

KG has yet to surpass the first round without a 20 ppg scorer beside him. we've already gone over this, the notion that he can carry a team offensively is flawed. He needs a dynamic scorer (Sprewell/Pierce) to have success... History proves it.

"oh, but he led this and that in the 2008 playoffs"

Because Paul Pierce and Ray Allen allowed him the spacing to operate. Your team has no such weapons to allow KG to do that.

Think 2007 Timberwolves.

Rondo, no response here? Where's Kwit10? Maybe he can help. Clearly The alliance is still strong.

Hobbs? 

Um...  Pau Gasol has yet to win a game in the playoffs without Kobe Bryant playing next to him. 

Also, of course, your statement is wrong.  KG reached the Western Conference Finals when he was the only player scoring 20 or more, either in the regular season or playoffs.

That wasn't my point! He had Latrell Sprewell who was a proven scorer having AVG. over 24 ppg. in a season. and 18+ career.

Great.  Your statement was still false.  If you meant KG was next to a guy who had once scored 20 ppg in a season, Toronto has that, too:  Ron Artest has been a 20 ppg scorer.

Roy, can Ron Artest next season can be the scoring weapon that Latrell Sprewell was in 2004? (and I'm just talking about PPG).

[nickagneta]

Thank for your support, Vote Portland!!

We are common friendly people[/size]

You just lost all my future votes for posting that picture.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'd say a go-to scorer combined with solidarity in other areas.

That only goes so far when the great defensive team limits / contains / shuts down the go-to scorer.

  The Lakers are champs with exactly what I described. What were Orlando's defensive numbers last season and in the playoffs?

See nick's post above.  LA wasn't so shabby when it came to rebounding / defense themselves. 

[indeedproceed]

Thank for your support, Vote Portland!!

We are common friendly people

Well, you are now that you jettisoned that blowhard of a former GM.

I heard he was dead weight anyways and smelled faintly of sulfur and brimstone. Of course, most lawyers smell faintly of sulfur and brimstone.  

[nickagneta]

Voted:

Seattle over Orlando: I hated to do it to my Pacific brethran, but I like Tim Duncan against Dwight Howard. That's not to say Howard isn't the more dominant player now, because he is, but I don't think Howard can stop Duncan on the same level Duncan stops Howard, and if Howard isn't all world this team kind of falls apart a little for me.

Portland over Houston: I don't think any three players on Portland are better than Houston's top three. That said, I don't think those three guys can win 7 games when Portland can just rotate the 2003 All-star team in and out.

Poor Orlando gets no respect. Now their getting beaten in the West when they don't even play there

[Roy Hobbs]

Roy, can Ron Artest next season can be the scoring weapon that Latrell Sprewell was in 2004? (and I'm just talking about PPG).

I'm not sure what you mean by scoring weapon, if it means something other than points scored at the end of the day.

Artest can absolutely match Sprewell's production.  Sprewell averaged 16.8 points per game in 2004.  Artest averaged 17.0 last season.  Why is Sprewell world's better, in your opinion?  It makes no sense to me.

Also, of course, Artest is a much better defender than Sprewell, and Andre Miller is a much better defender than Sam Cassell was.

[indeedproceed]

Roy, can Ron Artest next season can be the scoring weapon that Latrell Sprewell was in 2004? (and I'm just talking about PPG).

Your argument is fundementally irrelevant now. Its not about "where" KG can get to, its "how" this Toronto team will play compared to this Chicago team. Where you're gonna go is only relevant during the regular season. Who you're playing is what matters now. And Toronto has some good matchups here.