2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Rondo2287]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

What percentages do they shoot? How many turnovers do they have?

Andre Miller shoots .573 with 2.5 TO
Chris paul shoots .417 with 3.3 TO

And again thats in 8 games against eachother

[Fafnir]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

What percentages do they shoot? How many turnovers do they have?

Andre Miller shoots .573 with 2.5 TO
Chris paul shoots .417 with 3.3 TO

And again thats in 8 games against eachother

8 games that aren't consecutive after only a single or two off days. I don't buy it. CP3 is a huge plus over Andre Miller.

[wdleehi]

Guys Im not saying KG isnt great! I know he is, thats why I have him on my team and why I picked him!.  Im just saying the reason I have made it this far isnt because of just the, "KG Bias" on this blog. 

So really I am depending on KG but just not this supposed "KG Biased" I really think if anything there may be a, "Good player Bias," here where teams with good players are voted for. 

Never argue with the reason people are picking your team.  Just add on to it.

[Rondo2287]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

What percentages do they shoot? How many turnovers do they have?

Andre Miller shoots .573 with 2.5 TO
Chris paul shoots .417 with 3.3 TO

And again thats in 8 games against eachother

8 games that aren't consecutive after only a single or two off days. I don't buy it. CP3 is a huge plus over Andre Miller.

Thats fine man, im not saying Paul isnt better than Miller I know he is, im just pointing out that in their matchups, Paul hasnt be ALL WORLD over Miller.  But ya siginificantly higher Fg% and lower TO

[Donoghus]

Guys Im not saying KG isnt great! I know he is, thats why I have him on my team and why I picked him!.  Im just saying the reason I have made it this far isnt because of just the, "KG Bias" on this blog. 

So really I am depending on KG but just not this supposed "KG Biased" I really think if anything there may be a, "Good player Bias," here where teams with good players are voted for. 

Never argue with the reason people are picking your team.  Just add on to it.

Sound advice there.

[Rondo2287]

Guys Im not saying KG isnt great! I know he is, thats why I have him on my team and why I picked him!.  Im just saying the reason I have made it this far isnt because of just the, "KG Bias" on this blog. 

So really I am depending on KG but just not this supposed "KG Biased" I really think if anything there may be a, "Good player Bias," here where teams with good players are voted for. 

Never argue with the reason people are picking your team.  Just add on to it.

I know Im not arguing why people are voting for my team.  I just dont think there is a KG bias, I think KG is just really as good as people here think he is.

[Roy Hobbs]

Wow after you voted Chicago to lose to Detroit Yesterday Huh?? At least you are consistant

Feel fortunate, the KG bias on these boards got you the division and a round in the playoffs.

I'd argue that it's the fact that people are well-familiar with KG's greatness that won Toronto the division and the first round.  It should go a long way in the second round, too.

KG >> Pau Gasol.



How soon we forget, right?

[Fafnir]

Horfords usual numbers are around there, but Camby's rebounds and assists go way up against Horford.  Obviously Assists are subjective but I think the Rebounding is a real strenth that will show through during a 7 game series.  

And also, there are Horfords numbers against Big z in the playoffs.  

3.3 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.0 assists in 27 minutes.  

And fafnir I understand you think Paul may light Miller up in a 7 game series, but In their career matchups, Miller has faired really well against Paul, alot better than most.  And then would consider the help defense that Miller is going to have behind him in KG and Camby as apposed to a hurt Brand and Lazy Dalembert.  

These are the career stats for Miller and Paul
Paul vs Miller
Paul leads 3-5
Miller 19ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.4 Ass, 1.1 stl, .3 blk
Paul   15 ppg, 5.4,    8.4 ass, 3.1 stl, .1 blk

so thats in 8 games which I think is a decent sample size

What percentages do they shoot? How many turnovers do they have?

Andre Miller shoots .573 with 2.5 TO
Chris paul shoots .417 with 3.3 TO

And again thats in 8 games against eachother

8 games that aren't consecutive after only a single or two off days. I don't buy it. CP3 is a huge plus over Andre Miller.

Thats fine man, im not saying Paul isnt better than Miller I know he is, im just pointing out that in their matchups, Paul hasnt be ALL WORLD over Miller.  But ya siginificantly higher Fg% and lower TO

His usage is probably lower though, CP3 has a ton of turnovers because he holds the ball so much. Rather than turning it over at a higher rate.

I don't like using head to head matchup numbers in this sort of game all that much though. How a team defends is just as important as an individual player. And the teams are all jumbled up in this game.

Unless I've seen it myself. For example if KG were to go against Bosh in this game I'd have to count that as a huge win for KG. I've watched him make Bosh his ***** too many times.

[Rondo2287]

Right I agree faf.  Its just tough because I cant make people remember games where Miller outplayed Paul because when they think Paul most peoples minds just goes to a Youtube Highlight reel(Mine included) Im just trying to get the point across that While Paul is great he hasnt performed superbly against Miller and while there is no way that I would argue against Chicago having an advantage at the PG position I would argue that its not as big as the youtube highlight reels might have you believe.   

[Fafnir]

Right I agree faf.  Its just tough because I cant make people remember games where Miller outplayed Paul because when they think Paul most peoples minds just goes to a Youtube Highlight reel(Mine included) Im just trying to get the point across that While Paul is great he hasnt performed superbly against Miller and while there is no way that I would argue against Chicago having an advantage at the PG position I would argue that its not as big as the youtube highlight reels might have you believe.   

I'd focus your arguments on areas where your team has an advantage! How many legit big men does Chicago have after all.

[Rondo2287]

But these are the three matchups where I think I have a sizeable advantage over Chicago

Garnett vs Pau
Garnett leads 15-6
Ganett-24 ppg, 13.4 Rpg, 5.1 Ass, 1.3 ste, 1.8 blk
Gasol- 18 ppg, 8 rpb, 2.6 ass, .7 steals, 1.6 blk

Camby vs Horford
Camby leads 2-1
Camby 11 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 4.3 Ass, 1.7 st, 1.7 blk
Horford 11.3ppg, 8 rpg, 2.3 ass, 2.3 st, 1.0 blk

Artest Vs Bell
Artest leads 8-7
Artest 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 ass, 2.7 st, .7 blk
Bell 9.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 ass, .9 stl, .3 blk


And then Take into account, Big Z, Hakim Warrick, Michael Finley coming off the bench against Ryan Anderson, Hilton armstrong, Keith Bogans. I think the bench really puts me over the top in this series like Gortat, and Pietrus did in the Orlando series

[Rondo2287]

Haha you beat me to it faf!

[Fafnir]

Haha you beat me to it faf!

I think both of your teams are light on bigs overall. But Chicago has only two big men who should be anywhere near a playoff rotation. They'll be exhausted and beat down by the end of the series.

We saw what happened to the Celtics when they only had Baby/Perk for true bigs.

[Rondo2287]

[Rondo2287]

DONT BUY THE HYPE VOTE FOR THE BETTER TEAM!!!

Garnett vs Pau
Garnett leads 15-6
Ganett-24 ppg, 13.4 Rpg, 5.1 Ass, 1.3 ste, 1.8 blk
Gasol- 18 ppg, 8 rpb, 2.6 ass, .7 steals, 1.6 blk

Camby vs Horford
Camby leads 2-1
Camby 11 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 4.3 Ass, 1.7 st, 1.7 blk
Horford 11.3ppg, 8 rpg, 2.3 ass, 2.3 st, 1.0 blk

Artest Vs Bell
Artest leads 8-7
Artest 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 ass, 2.7 st, .7 blk
Bell 9.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 ass, .9 stl, .3 blk