Redsox trade Julio Lugo for Chris Duncan

[MBz]

We won a WS with Lugo at shortstop. He was good enough for a while. Hope he gets it going again. Thought he was a decent guy.

Maybe a decent guy, but not a decent player, glad he's gone.  Now I just hope Lowrie can be 100% healthy and slowly steal Nick Green's job.

[yall hate]

We won a WS with Lugo at shortstop. He was good enough for a while. Hope he gets it going again. Thought he was a decent guy.

Maybe a decent guy, but not a decent player, glad he's gone.  Now I just hope Lowrie can be 100% healthy and slowly steal Nick Green's job.

The way Nick Green has been playing lately (which is closer to who Nick Green is as a player) lets hope Lowrie quickly steals his job

[QuinielaBox]

Any relation to Tim Duncan??

[jambr380]

I don't get why we would trade him if we have to pay his entire salary. If that's the case, we should have tried to get something better than Chris Duncan (who had one good month in his career). It's weird that it wasn't a partial salary pay- I guess the Red Sox owners are loaded, but it just seems lame...

[yall hate]

I don't get why we would trade him if we have to pay his entire salary. If that's the case, we should have tried to get something better than Chris Duncan (who had one good month in his career). It's weird that it wasn't a partial salary pay- I guess the Red Sox owners are loaded, but it just seems lame...

what better option did they have?

they had designated him for assignment in order to make room on the roster for Clay.  They had 10 days to trade him or release him. 

In case you havent watched a Red Sox game in the last couple of years, Lugo sucks.  people werent going to give up much value for him, let alone have to pay his contract.  If they had released him (couldnt find a trade) they would have had to pay his salary anyway. 

This way they got a guy who was good for a short period, got hurt, and hasnt been anything worth while.  its better then nothing...

[CoachBo]

Chris Duncan is finished. Titanium disk in his neck. .037 BA in July.

This trade is an exchange of corpses, but I like Lugo a WHOLE lot more than I like Chris Duncan.

[yall hate]

Chris Duncan is finished. Titanium disk in his neck. .037 BA in July.

This trade is an exchange of corpses, but I like Lugo a WHOLE lot more than I like Chris Duncan.

1. Duncan is still recovering, so posting his stats for July is a bit misleading.

2. Lugo HAD to go.  It was a roster crunch (no point keeping him on the 25 man roster when clearly the team didnt trust him to play) and while he hadnt made a big deal up to this point, they couldnt risk a situation where he started mouthing off/tainting the club house.

Chris Duncan isnt going to be some savior, and it would take a whole lot of wierd circumstances for him to see meaningful time in the RedSox lineup, but if he regains 20+ hr ability, he has value.

[jambr380]

I don't get why we would trade him if we have to pay his entire salary. If that's the case, we should have tried to get something better than Chris Duncan (who had one good month in his career). It's weird that it wasn't a partial salary pay- I guess the Red Sox owners are loaded, but it just seems lame...

what better option did they have?

they had designated him for assignment in order to make room on the roster for Clay.  They had 10 days to trade him or release him. 

In case you havent watched a Red Sox game in the last couple of years, Lugo sucks.  people werent going to give up much value for him, let alone have to pay his contract.  If they had released him (couldnt find a trade) they would have had to pay his salary anyway. 

This way they got a guy who was good for a short period, got hurt, and hasnt been anything worth while.  its better then nothing...

I am well aware of how much Lugo sucks, thank you. I am a big Sox fan (although I like the Celtics considerably more) and have watched his ups and downs, mostly downs...I guess I figured if we were going to pay his ENTIRE contract, we should have gotten something for him- even a low rated prospect would have been better than Duncan...I mean I guess he could turn it around, but I guess what I am saying is I would have rather had nothing than a guaranteed bad player...

[yall hate]

I don't get why we would trade him if we have to pay his entire salary. If that's the case, we should have tried to get something better than Chris Duncan (who had one good month in his career). It's weird that it wasn't a partial salary pay- I guess the Red Sox owners are loaded, but it just seems lame...

what better option did they have?

they had designated him for assignment in order to make room on the roster for Clay.  They had 10 days to trade him or release him. 

In case you havent watched a Red Sox game in the last couple of years, Lugo sucks.  people werent going to give up much value for him, let alone have to pay his contract.  If they had released him (couldnt find a trade) they would have had to pay his salary anyway. 

This way they got a guy who was good for a short period, got hurt, and hasnt been anything worth while.  its better then nothing...

I am well aware of how much Lugo sucks, thank you. I am a big Sox fan (although I like the Celtics considerably more) and have watched his ups and downs, mostly downs...I guess I figured if we were going to pay his ENTIRE contract, we should have gotten something for him- even a low rated prospect would have been better than Duncan...I mean I guess he could turn it around, but I guess what I am saying is I would have rather had nothing than a guaranteed bad player...

That doesn't make sense.  If you get nothing for him, you still pay his contract.  So you get a player who may or may not be anything.  and all it costs is about 400k for the rest of the year.  Are you worried about the Sox having to pay 400k?
Even if the chance of Duncan returning to form and being semi useless are 1-100,000 isnt it worth trying to get something, because on that chance?

[CoachBo]

Chris Duncan is finished. Titanium disk in his neck. .037 BA in July.

This trade is an exchange of corpses, but I like Lugo a WHOLE lot more than I like Chris Duncan.

1. Duncan is still recovering, so posting his stats for July is a bit misleading.

2. Lugo HAD to go.  It was a roster crunch (no point keeping him on the 25 man roster when clearly the team didnt trust him to play) and while he hadnt made a big deal up to this point, they couldnt risk a situation where he started mouthing off/tainting the club house.

Chris Duncan isnt going to be some savior, and it would take a whole lot of wierd circumstances for him to see meaningful time in the RedSox lineup, but if he regains 20+ hr ability, he has value.

I have MLB Extra Innings and I watch the Cardinals every night. Have for years. Duncan hasn't produced anything since 2007 and the Red Sox got absolutely nothing of value in this deal. Duncan is finished; he hasn't been the same since the neck injury and he won't be the same.

[jambr380]

I don't get why we would trade him if we have to pay his entire salary. If that's the case, we should have tried to get something better than Chris Duncan (who had one good month in his career). It's weird that it wasn't a partial salary pay- I guess the Red Sox owners are loaded, but it just seems lame...

what better option did they have?

they had designated him for assignment in order to make room on the roster for Clay.  They had 10 days to trade him or release him. 

In case you havent watched a Red Sox game in the last couple of years, Lugo sucks.  people werent going to give up much value for him, let alone have to pay his contract.  If they had released him (couldnt find a trade) they would have had to pay his salary anyway. 

This way they got a guy who was good for a short period, got hurt, and hasnt been anything worth while.  its better then nothing...

I am well aware of how much Lugo sucks, thank you. I am a big Sox fan (although I like the Celtics considerably more) and have watched his ups and downs, mostly downs...I guess I figured if we were going to pay his ENTIRE contract, we should have gotten something for him- even a low rated prospect would have been better than Duncan...I mean I guess he could turn it around, but I guess what I am saying is I would have rather had nothing than a guaranteed bad player...

That doesn't make sense.  If you get nothing for him, you still pay his contract.  So you get a player who may or may not be anything.  and all it costs is about 400k for the rest of the year.  Are you worried about the Sox having to pay 400k?
Even if the chance of Duncan returning to form and being semi useless are 1-100,000 isnt it worth trying to get something, because on that chance?

I guess it's just that people are making a big deal that we got something for Lugo- when really were just taking a player off of St. Louis' books and are still paying Lugo. I think Lugo is better than Duncan, so I would rather have kept him than trade him and have people overreact to getting somebody for him. It's not like Lugo is a total 'cancer' in the locker room and untradeable. This just really isn't a story. We basically did a favor for St. Louis, we didn't really 'trade' him- as we kept the WHOLE contract...

At least in the Renteria deal (yes, I know Renteria is better than Lugo, but was coming off of a horrendous year), we didn't pay his entire contract and we got a top prospect (at the time) in Marte...

[yall hate]

Chris Duncan is finished. Titanium disk in his neck. .037 BA in July.

This trade is an exchange of corpses, but I like Lugo a WHOLE lot more than I like Chris Duncan.

1. Duncan is still recovering, so posting his stats for July is a bit misleading.

2. Lugo HAD to go.  It was a roster crunch (no point keeping him on the 25 man roster when clearly the team didnt trust him to play) and while he hadnt made a big deal up to this point, they couldnt risk a situation where he started mouthing off/tainting the club house.

Chris Duncan isnt going to be some savior, and it would take a whole lot of wierd circumstances for him to see meaningful time in the RedSox lineup, but if he regains 20+ hr ability, he has value.

I have MLB Extra Innings and I watch the Cardinals every night. Have for years. Duncan hasn't produced anything since 2007 and the Red Sox got absolutely nothing of value in this deal. Duncan is finished; he hasn't been the same since the neck injury and he won't be the same.

Again, I dont think you are understanding the point.  They could have litterally had nothing, or they could have gotten Duncan.  To take a shot in the dark at Duncan (who doesnt take up a spot on the 25 man roster doesnt hurt them in any way shape or form.  He is going to play for the pawsox and if he can get healthy then maybe he can contribute in some fashion.  if not, instead of losing 13.5 million for lugo they lose 13.9 million for lugo and duncan.  who cares.

Duncan hasnt been healthy since 2007.  and he isnt 100% healthy now.  I am not saying the guy is even a guarantee to wear a boston uni, but it doesnt hurt to take a chance on something. 

A bag of balls is value when you consider that something is more then nothing.  I dont understand why that is hard to understand

[yall hate]

I guess it's just that people are making a big deal that we got something for Lugo- when really were just taking a player off of St. Louis' books and are still paying Lugo. I think Lugo is better than Duncan, so I would rather have kept him than trade him and have people overreact to getting somebody for him. It's not like Lugo is a total 'cancer' in the locker room and untradeable. This just really isn't a story. We basically did a favor for St. Louis, we didn't really 'trade' him- as we kept the WHOLE contract...

At least in the Renteria deal (yes, I know Renteria is better than Lugo, but was coming off of a horrendous year), we didn't pay his entire contract and we got a top prospect (at the time) in Marte...

he was as close to untradeable as you can get.  they had been trying all year. 

put it like this, would you rather have lowrie on the sox or lugo? 

lugo was on the 25 man roster, lowrie was on the dl.  in order to make room, someone had to go.  why keep a corpse sitting on the bench?  duncan is going to aaa so he doesnt factor into the 25 man roster.  the only other option would be to demote bard - wasnt going to happen, demote masterson - wasnt going to happen, or option another player.  wasnt going to happen.  it had to be lugo. 

Renteria still had a chance to be a quality mlb player.  lugo doesnt. lugo had close to negative trade value.  he hasnt been a good mlb player since he played for the rays (whats that 3-4 years now?)

[jambr380]

Chris Duncan is finished. Titanium disk in his neck. .037 BA in July.

This trade is an exchange of corpses, but I like Lugo a WHOLE lot more than I like Chris Duncan.

1. Duncan is still recovering, so posting his stats for July is a bit misleading.

2. Lugo HAD to go.  It was a roster crunch (no point keeping him on the 25 man roster when clearly the team didnt trust him to play) and while he hadnt made a big deal up to this point, they couldnt risk a situation where he started mouthing off/tainting the club house.

Chris Duncan isnt going to be some savior, and it would take a whole lot of wierd circumstances for him to see meaningful time in the RedSox lineup, but if he regains 20+ hr ability, he has value.

I have MLB Extra Innings and I watch the Cardinals every night. Have for years. Duncan hasn't produced anything since 2007 and the Red Sox got absolutely nothing of value in this deal. Duncan is finished; he hasn't been the same since the neck injury and he won't be the same.

Again, I dont think you are understanding the point.  They could have litterally had nothing, or they could have gotten Duncan.  To take a shot in the dark at Duncan (who doesnt take up a spot on the 25 man roster doesnt hurt them in any way shape or form.  He is going to play for the pawsox and if he can get healthy then maybe he can contribute in some fashion.  if not, instead of losing 13.5 million for lugo they lose 13.9 million for lugo and duncan.  who cares.

Duncan hasnt been healthy since 2007.  and he isnt 100% healthy now.  I am not saying the guy is even a guarantee to wear a boston uni, but it doesnt hurt to take a chance on something. 

A bag of balls is value when you consider that something is more then nothing.  I dont understand why that is hard to understand

I guess it's weird that you don't think I understand the point- and frankly, I am sick of talking about it...my original point was if we were going to giftwrap Lugo for another team to take a 'chance' on him, it would have been nice to get more than a player, who by all accounts, will do absolutely nothing for this club...like I said, a low ranked prospect wouldn't have been too much to ask from somebody...I just mean, was there really so little interest in a completely paid off Lugo around the league?? At the beginning of the season, we were supposedly going to trade him to Detroit for one of their bad contract pitchers- who would have been a MUCH better prospect than Duncan...it really all comes down to how useless I think Duncan is. A bag of balls would have been more decent and a net gain, rather than the [minor] 400k loss.

And my other point is (and this is more in the media than on the board) I don't think it is that impressive that we got something for Lugo because we really didn't...

Btw, do you really think Lowrie would be demoted to AAA for any length of time? He is, and will be, the starter over Green as soon as he is ready...

[yall hate]

I guess it's weird that you don't think I understand the point- and frankly, I am sick of talking about it...my original point was if we were going to giftwrap Lugo for another team to take a 'chance' on him, it would have been nice to get more than a player, who by all accounts, will do absolutely nothing for this club...like I said, a low ranked prospect wouldn't have been too much to ask from somebody...I just mean, was there really so little interest in a completely paid off Lugo around the league?? At the beginning of the season, we were supposedly going to trade him to Detroit for one of their bad contract pitchers- who would have been a MUCH better prospect than Duncan...it really all comes down to how useless I think Duncan is. A bag of balls would have been more decent and a net gain, rather than the [minor] 400k loss.

And my other point is (and this is more in the media than on the board) I don't think it is that impressive that we got something for Lugo because we really didn't...

Btw, do you really think Lowrie would be demoted to AAA for any length of time? He is, and will be, the starter over Green as soon as he is ready...

dont you think the sox got back the best they could?  I mean, I have to assume they were calling around looking for the best deal.

And no, I think there was probably little to no interest in a completely paid off lugo.  He hasn't shown the ability to hit the ball, he hasn't shown the ability to play defense, he hasn't shown a whole lot.

I think you must be fixated on names, because if you would have preferred one of the detroit pitchers, you are crazy.  the rumor was primarily for dontrelle willis.  Dontrelle has been fantastically crap this year (and gets paid MORE then Lugo, so we really would have been adding payroll)  Dontrelle - 7 GS, 33.2 innings pitched, 28 ER, 28 walks a WHIP of almost 2 and ERA of 7.5.

Lowrie will be the starter, but had they kept Lugo on the 25 man roster, they would have had to either demote someone, or option someone to the minors.  Nick Green has no options, and one of the crappy teams likely would have claimed him.  Lowrie has options, so he wouldnt have been subject to waivers.   so again, of the players with the options on the sox 25 man roster, lowrie, bard, masterson, Buch, which would you want to see demoted so that we can keep Lugo rotting on the bench?  They werent going to keep 3 ss on the roster (Lowrie, Green, Lugo).  It was a roster crunch, and they needed to make a move.  why delay the inevitable?

edit: oh and the actual deal is Duncan and a PTBNL or cash...meaning If Lugo shows signs of being the player he was 4 years ago, we probably get a prospect who isnt really a prospect, if he doesnt, we probably get enough cash to pay for Duncan this year