don't sign a FA SF...

[winsomme]

but Doc also said last night that he told Danny his top two needs were length and shooting, both things filled by Sheed.

Here's another thing Doc said yesterday:

“I thought when we won it, we were the only team coming into last year that took away from our team and really didn’t add to our team,” Rivers said. “Orlando added to their team and Cleveland added to their team, but we kind of took away from our team (with the losses of James Posey and P.J. Brown). So I did think we needed to add some pieces. Hopefully we’re not done.”

To me, it sounds like Doc doesn't think the team is all set.  Notice how he didn't count the additions of Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens in his assessment of the type of quality players teams had added.

and that was also before Grant Hill re-signed with the Suns, but regardless, I'm not arguing for us being done. I'm arguing for not signing one of these unimpressive FA SFs that are being bandied about here.

[PosImpos]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

Bingaroo

[GKC]

Rasheed makes the bench stronger, but doesn't help PP and Ray out with their minutes. And that was the problem with the bench. Doc didn't trust TA to backup PP and Ray; do you really believe that this year's Walker and Giddens is better than last years TA?

[cornbreadsmart]

grant is skilled but i'm not overly upset. i just don't really like him so it makes it easier. he's called classy(over and over and over) and he's smooth as hell but he's not a guy diving for loose balls. not much fire. while he was the best option i can take someone else if they play with passion. that's what i loved about our title team. everyone was an energy guy.hill is not at all,in my opinion. he reminds me of gomes. another skilled guy but the last dude to dive for a ball.
  

[cornbreadsmart]

i'd like barnes. he's got some game. he'll finish plays,make the right decisions.

[Mike-Dub]

I say we do a sign and trade for back up 3.

[KG_ended_Bias]

Gerald Green would not be a bad option guys I wanna keep saying that. He got playoff minutes for the Mavericks last year & started a few games, I think he is ready to turn the corner this year. He is only 24 so we also get younger & deeper for the future. When Pierce & Allen retire we would have a nucleus of Rondo,Green, & Perk. Which isn't the best, but not bad at all.

[xmuscularghandix]

Gerald Green would not be a bad option guys I wanna keep saying that. He got playoff minutes for the Mavericks last year & started a few games, I think he is ready to turn the corner this year. He is only 24 so we also get younger & deeper for the future. When Pierce & Allen retire we would have a nucleus of Rondo,Green, & Perk. Which isn't the best, but not bad at all.

Green is not good, and we already have 2 wing projects that can dunk. A nucleus of Rondo + Perk is a good thing to have, if you've got a good defensive center and a ball distributing defensive PG your all set. You don't need a ball hogging draft bust that plays NO defense at all.

Plus i wouldn't call 26 minutes "turning the corner" all of them were in blowout losses.


sorry to be negative but i can't stand his game, and his lack of intelligence on the court.

[GKC]

Gerald Green would not be a bad option guys I wanna keep saying that. He got playoff minutes for the Mavericks last year & started a few games, I think he is ready to turn the corner this year. He is only 24 so we also get younger & deeper for the future. When Pierce & Allen retire we would have a nucleus of Rondo,Green, & Perk. Which isn't the best, but not bad at all.

How is Green any different than Giddens and Walker? He's got a tremendously low basketball IQ, and has proven that with 3 coaches. At this point he is what he is. Giddens and Walker still might have some upside.

[EDWARDO]

Gerald Green would not be a bad option guys I wanna keep saying that. He got playoff minutes for the Mavericks last year & started a few games, I think he is ready to turn the corner this year. He is only 24 so we also get younger & deeper for the future. When Pierce & Allen retire we would have a nucleus of Rondo,Green, & Perk. Which isn't the best, but not bad at all.

How is Green any different than Giddens and Walker? He's got a tremendously low basketball IQ, and has proven that with 3 coaches. At this point he is what he is. Giddens and Walker still might have some upside.

Man alive! I thought we'd all been inoculated against Gerald Green Virus! This is a particularly virulent strain. I do think Gerald can get some serious playoff PT next year, but only if Dynamo Zagreb can overcome Atletico Budapest.

[celticinorlando]

Gerald Green would not be a bad option guys I wanna keep saying that. He got playoff minutes for the Mavericks last year & started a few games, I think he is ready to turn the corner this year. He is only 24 so we also get younger & deeper for the future. When Pierce & Allen retire we would have a nucleus of Rondo,Green, & Perk. Which isn't the best, but not bad at all.

How is Green any different than Giddens and Walker? He's got a tremendously low basketball IQ, and has proven that with 3 coaches. At this point he is what he is. Giddens and Walker still might have some upside.

he's not

[banner17]

If there isn't a good enough backup wing available, then Danny needs to force through a trade. Offer up the expiring contracts and a future first round pick, and get something useful back.

Why does everyone act as if forcing through a trade is insanely easy?

plus i'm not giving up a first round pick for any backup SF that a team would trade for expirings.

don't forget this is the 09-10 boston Celtics, not the 96-97 team. Chances are, the first rd draft pick, would be nothing more then a back up anyway.

[BballTim]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

  If KG's healthy you can get by with a TA or a Walker backing up Pierce like we did last year before he was injured.

Tell that to Doc, who has talked repeatedly about how the team needs a veteran backup for Pierce.

Also, I don't think it makes sense to presume 100% health for a team full of aging vets.  One of the veterans is likely to go down for at least some period of time next season, which is why we need legitimate players on our bench.

  I was pointing out that while Rasheed might not be the offensive force that allows Doc to play more of our backups, KG is. We didn't have any minutes issues until he went down last year in spite of the quality of our bench. And I agree with Doc that we could use better backups. But when the season starts he'll play the backup we have, at least until the playoffs roll around.

[GKC]

Actually, we did have more minute issues when TA went down, and then realised in the playoffs that TA just wasn't that effective.

In the playoffs, both Ray and PP averaged over 40 mpg.

[mgent]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

Not necessarily, our guys can play 35 minutes a game easy.
That's 175/240 minutes right there.  Say you give Rasheed and House 20, then we need another big guy to give us at least 5-10, and we want another PG to give us 5-10 instead of House.  That leaves about 5-10 minutes for another guy who could easily be Scal or TA, then don't forget about the other 4 guys on our bench.  And that's on an average night, on nights when we're creaming the other team our main guys will get even more rest.
I do however still think we should acquire a swingman, because he'd be better than what we have now and it's always better to be safe than sorry.