# LA Lakers championships

[bobdelt]

Why would the rings belong to the City? The city does almost nothing for the franchises except make money off of them.

[celticinorlando]

Every time this comes up, my answer is the same and it's always right.....

Cities do not win championships, FRANCHISES do. No self-respecting Los Angeles Laker fan lays claim to those 5 Minn. championships. As a matter of fact, at Staples Center those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner with Minn. prominently written on said banner alongside the 10 championships that were won here in Los Angeles.

Contrary to your thinking, the city of Boston has no claims to the 17 titles that have been won by the franchise known as the Boston Celtics. If Wyc decided tomorrow to move the team to Denton, Texas the titles go right along with him. You get the memories, the franchise gets the hardware. It doesn't matter how many generations of Celtic fanatics your family goes back to, you're just fans in a city that the franchise currently resides in. Facts aren't always warm and fuzzy, I know.

The only people who still subscribe to your theory are fans of a team who are desperate to keep a rapidly closing title count from getting any closer.

so smart guy...can the cleveland browns claim the Ravens super bowl..because technically...they were the same franchise.

[Donoghus]

Every time this comes up, my answer is the same and it's always right.....

Cities do not win championships, FRANCHISES do. No self-respecting Los Angeles Laker fan lays claim to those 5 Minn. championships. As a matter of fact, at Staples Center those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner with Minn. prominently written on said banner alongside the 10 championships that were won here in Los Angeles.

Contrary to your thinking, the city of Boston has no claims to the 17 titles that have been won by the franchise known as the Boston Celtics. If Wyc decided tomorrow to move the team to Denton, Texas the titles go right along with him. You get the memories, the franchise gets the hardware. It doesn't matter how many generations of Celtic fanatics your family goes back to, you're just fans in a city that the franchise currently resides in. Facts aren't always warm and fuzzy, I know.

The only people who still subscribe to your theory are fans of a team who are desperate to keep a rapidly closing title count from getting any closer.

so smart guy...can the cleveland browns claim the Ravens super bowl..because technically...they were the same franchise.

That's not really a good example.

They weren't the same franchise.  The Ravens had to leave all Cleveland links behind when they moved to Baltimore including team name, colors, and history.   The "new" Cleveland Browns claim that history. 

[celticinorlando]

to me it is the same...when your team leaves a city NO MATTER...you start over...

[fordescort]

The LA Lakers have have 10 championships not 5 since the Minneapolis Lakers won the first 5 tiles.

The reason for this is fans of the city where a franchise is located pay the ticket prices and make it possible for a franchise's to pay their players and exist overall.

Thus Minneapolis deserve title credit and recognition for helping the Minneapolis Lakers win those first 5 titles and LA fans deserve credit and recognition for helping the LA Lakers win the 10 titles they did in LA.

A franchise itself can not claim credit for any titles won all by them selves, but must share it respectively with the city it was located in through the years since the city and its fans made it possible for the franchise to exist by attending games.

If the Lakers were sold to Boston Laker fans would agree with this analysis and would be singing a different tune.
I know the truth hurts for Laker fans but these are the facts.

LA is so desperate to try to catch the 17 time (we won all our titles in Boston) Boston Celtics in the # of titles won,that they have to resort to cheating and stealing the 5 Minneapolis titles to try to catch them.
No way will Celtic nation let you get away with such a scam though.

Instead of stealing titles you LA Lakers should just go out and win all your titles honestly in your own city like our Boston Celtics have done when they have won all their lead leading 17 NBA championships!!

[silvershamrocker]

Does anyone remember when the Sonics were moving to OKC, they were going to make copies of the banner and trophy that Seattle won in 1979 and give them to OKC, and the Sonic fans were outraged? How is that any different?

I mean, if you ask how many titles do the OKC Thunder have, the answer is none. But the Seattle Sonics have 1.

Same coach, same players, same owner.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nba/2008035531_soni06.html

and

http://www.theolympian.com/sports/sonics/story/553267.html

[bobdelt]

Every time this comes up, my answer is the same and it's always right.....

Cities do not win championships, FRANCHISES do. No self-respecting Los Angeles Laker fan lays claim to those 5 Minn. championships. As a matter of fact, at Staples Center those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner with Minn. prominently written on said banner alongside the 10 championships that were won here in Los Angeles.

Contrary to your thinking, the city of Boston has no claims to the 17 titles that have been won by the franchise known as the Boston Celtics. If Wyc decided tomorrow to move the team to Denton, Texas the titles go right along with him. You get the memories, the franchise gets the hardware. It doesn't matter how many generations of Celtic fanatics your family goes back to, you're just fans in a city that the franchise currently resides in. Facts aren't always warm and fuzzy, I know.

The only people who still subscribe to your theory are fans of a team who are desperate to keep a rapidly closing title count from getting any closer.

so smart guy...can the cleveland browns claim the Ravens super bowl..because technically...they were the same franchise.

That's not really a good example.

They weren't the same franchise.  The Ravens had to leave all Cleveland links behind when they moved to Baltimore including team name, colors, and history.   The "new" Cleveland Browns claim that history. 

Well that was cheating.

[bobdelt]

" owners agreed to leave the 'SuperSonics' name, logo, and colors in Seattle for a possible future NBA franchise"

So the new owners agreed to leave the team/past behind. They could have taken them to OK.

[furball]

So If the Lakers don't count the Minny Titles, Does that mean the Timberwolves have 5 titles? 

Do the Dallas Cowboys have any seeing they played all their games outside Dallas? 

What about the New York Giants, seeing they play in NJ? 

Have the San Fran Giants and L.A. Dodgers not kept thier historic ties? 

Do the Baltimore Ravens get to claim the Old Colts as thier history? 

What happens when there are two teams in one city?  Can the Yankees claim the Mets championships? Or at least the Brooklyn Dodgers or NY Giants? 

I'm just trying to understand this "the rings belong to the city" argument.

[ScoobyDoo]

I think the Timberwolves have no titles
The Minneapolis Lakers have five titles
The Seattle Supersonics have one title
The Oklahoma City Thumder have no titles
The Los Angeles Lakers have 10 titles ( would be nine if KG/Powe are healthy. And just to head off the coming comment, pls don't compare Bynum, 08  to KG, 09)
The Boston Celtics have seventeen titles ( will have 19 or 20 before KG retires )
 

[ScoobyDoo]

And I too hate it when they say they have 10 titles. Main reason, I live here in LA and my buddies and every other Laker fan I know, love 'em as I do, can never, ever, ever, ever, ever admit that any Laker has ever done anything wrong, ever committed a flagrant foul or that Kobe has never, ever, ever, ever thrown an elbow. It is always
everyone else's fault and never theirs. Ever. It's nauseating.

They never stop riding you when they're winning. They never stop riding you when you're losing. But guaranteed, you can hear a pin drop when they lose or anything goes wrong whatsoever. Not a peep.

Nothing but a bunch of front runners who will never man-up and call it like it is, ever.

I've been hear 20+ years, it's never changed.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I meant I hate it when they say 15 titles.