Is there any excuse for the Celtics not to resign BBD?

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A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

[Rondo2287]

but is a 21 year old perk worse than a 21 year old Davis? You have to take into consideration that perk came right out of high school, I think when you go by age, perk is far better

[Jon]

Davis getting close to the MLE is a contract that can kill the Celtics budget.  


And he is just not worth that much to the Celtics if KG and Perk are healthy and the Celtics sign a player like Wallace.


Then again, if they end up with a play like Oberto, Davis might be worth that.

Yes.  If someone offers him much more than 2-3 million dollars a year, I'd let him go.  He's good, but he's not that good.  A lot of his success last year came from being open and an afterthought of the defense with Pierce, Allen, and Rondo on the court with him.  I can't help thinking how Austin Croshere used a similar successful playoff push about a decade ago to get a ridiculous contract that he never lived up to from Indy.  

More to the point, however, is that if the C's sign Wallace, it largely negates much of Baby's value.  Come playoff time, KG is going to play a minimum of 35 mpg and Perk a minimum of 30.  That leaves a whopping 31 mpg to back both of them up.  Considering Sheed averaged 32 mpg during the regular season last year, I'm pretty sure he can cover both positions.  Thus, why would you pay Baby 5 million to sit on the bench?  Or conversely, why would you pay Baby 5 million and Sheed 6 million for Baby to play the 13 mpg behind KG and Sheed the 18 mpg behind Perk?

Now you could of course argue that we may want to keep minutes lower than that throughout the year and that we are going to want more depth than that.  And you'd be right.  However, we don't need to pay Baby 5 million dollars to do that.  If you're simply looking to get a 4th guy in the 4/5 rotation that can play 10 mpg or so, Scal can certainly help in that department (at least until Powe comes back) or a guy like Oberto could be most likely had for a fraction of 5 million.  And he's a legit 7-footer.  

So, I'd like Baby back, but I think if Sheed comes here and Baby gets a big offer, our money could be spent better by focusing on the 2/3 spots and getting a cheaper 4th big man.

[wdleehi]

A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I really don't envision any scenario in which Davis getting full MLE on a multi-year contract he would kill the Celtics' budget.

[Casperian]

A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

Perk was an undersized reserve C.

Baby also showed a better learning curve than Perk in his first years.

It evens out, imo, which means a Perk-esque ( ) contract is fair value.

[wdleehi]

A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

Perk was an undersized reserve C.

Baby also showed a better learning curve than Perk in his first years.

It evens out, imo, which means a Perk-esque ( ) contract is fair value.

Do you remember Perk his first year?   Overweight HS kid. 

In his second year, he had remade his body. 

Perk had a lot further to go when he joined the Celtics then Davis. 

[Jon]

A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

Perk was an undersized reserve C.

Baby also showed a better learning curve than Perk in his first years.

It evens out, imo, which means a Perk-esque ( ) contract is fair value.

Do you remember Perk his first year?   Overweight HS kid. 

In his second year, he had remade his body. 

Perk had a lot further to go when he joined the Celtics then Davis. 

Davis is arguably just as out of shape now as Perk was when he came into the league.  Furthermore, unlike Perk who has NBA height, there's nothing Davis can do to remake his body into a legitimately sized big man. 

[Casperian]

A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

Perk was an undersized reserve C.

Baby also showed a better learning curve than Perk in his first years.

It evens out, imo, which means a Perk-esque ( ) contract is fair value.

Do you remember Perk his first year?   Overweight HS kid. 

In his second year, he had remade his body. 

Perk had a lot further to go when he joined the Celtics then Davis. 

...while Baby has a fair amount of skill for a big man, something Perk can only dream of.
We also got Perk on a bargain, since he had no value around the league at the time of his contract extension while Baby just played as a starter in the playoffs. $4.000.000 is fair value.

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A good comparison might be to look at Perk's contract.  Now Perk did take a "hometown discount," but do you think that Perk and Baby should be making about the same amount of money.  I don't...

Second-year Davis is a better player than third-year Perk.

i think that's a very fair point. and let's face it -- their games are very different. when perk signed his extension, he was still very raw, with zero offensive game and a foul MACHINE. while baby may foul a lot, he's far more polished, not to mention able to draw a competitive offer -- something perk never had the chance to do.

Not to mention Perk is a C.  (at the time with the potential to grow into the player he is now)

Davis is still a short PF that is a reserve on this team.

Perk was an undersized reserve C.

Baby also showed a better learning curve than Perk in his first years.

It evens out, imo, which means a Perk-esque ( ) contract is fair value.

Do you remember Perk his first year?   Overweight HS kid. 

In his second year, he had remade his body. 

Perk had a lot further to go when he joined the Celtics then Davis. 

...while Baby has a fair amount of skill for a big man, something Perk can only dream of.
We also got Perk on a bargain, since he had no value around the league at the time of his contract extension while Baby just played as a starter in the playoffs. $4.000.000 is fair value.

i just don't think the comparison is important. perk never saw the open market anyway.

they're both good, improving players and good defenders who care about winning, and they both fit the Cs well.

[wdleehi]

Now, did this talk about how much Davis was going to cost come out before the rumor that a team was offer more then the Knicks would match for Lee and that Boozer was not opting out making Milsap more of a question mark?


Because I could see the team interested in signing Davis for the high amount being the teams that go after Lee and Milsap first.   

If they get them, there might not be that big offer out there for Davis.

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Now, did this talk about how much Davis was going to cost come out before the rumor that a team was offer more then the Knicks would match for Lee and that Boozer was not opting out making Milsap more of a question mark?


Because I could see the team interested in signing Davis for the high amount being the teams that go after Lee and Milsap first.   

If they get them, there might not be that big offer out there for Davis.

exactly. both memphis and detroit -- rumored to be interested in davis -- have cap space to offer millsap.

[makaveli]

We need to sign him, with or without sheed on our roster, he will be our future starter. I was so impressed with his stellar performance in the playoffs and I can't see Danny giving up on a player like that. He might have a much better carer that Sheed had.
I'm sure that well re-sign him soon, in a long term, with signing him we might end up saving money, and having him underpayed for a year or two, plus he would at least have a good/grate trade value.

[wdleehi]

We need to sign him, with or without sheed on our roster, he will be our future starter. I was so impressed with his stellar performance in the playoffs and I can't see Danny giving up on a player like that. He might have a much better carer that Sheed had.
I'm sure that well re-sign him soon, in a long term, with signing him we might end up saving money, and having him underpayed for a year or two, plus he would at least have a good/grate trade value.

I don't think he is the future starter on a title team in Boston.  He could be the future starter of a middle of the road Celtics team lost in NBA no-mans land.

[droopdog7]

We need to sign him, with or without sheed on our roster, he will be our future starter. I was so impressed with his stellar performance in the playoffs and I can't see Danny giving up on a player like that. He might have a much better carer that Sheed had.
I'm sure that well re-sign him soon, in a long term, with signing him we might end up saving money, and having him underpayed for a year or two, plus he would at least have a good/grate trade value.

I don't think he is the future starter on a title team in Boston.  He could be the future starter of a middle of the road Celtics team lost in NBA no-mans land.

Exactly right.  BBD will never be more than a bit player on a good team. So if he is here beyond the time that we are good, who cares really.  I would not go over 3 and 9 for BBD.  And that would be my absolute max.