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Ideal Free Agents for the C's.
« on: June 28, 2009, 09:53:08 PM »

Offline Goldstar88

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These are the FA players I would want in Green. What are your FA Hopefuls?

1) A. Mcdyess or R. Wallace-  Either of these guy would be a huge lift for the bench both offensively and defensively.Both can alternate between the 4-5. I think Mcdyess would be a better option. Hes not as much of a wildcard.

2) B.Jackson or S. Marbury- After a full training camp with the C's, I think either player could be decent when Rondo is getting a rest. The C's need someone else who can run the offense and handle the ball under pressure.

3)G. Hill or M. Barnes- Grant Hill had a good season with the suns. However he is getting up there in age and has always been injury prone. Matt Barnes is probably the closest thing to filling the James Posey void. He plays good defense, shoots the three well, and can get to the rim.

4) L.Powe or Baby- Coin Flip

5) (Honorable Mention)
 Drew Gooden- if Rasheed or Mcdyess are not available. Hes young,decent offensively,and rebounds. Not sure about his defense.

Aaron Gray- Would not mind him coming in for Perk as a 2nd or 3rd Center. Hes 7'1, 270 and could help slow down Shaq. I saw him play against the Celtics this year and he looked like he could hold his own.


« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 12:16:31 PM by Goldstar88 »
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 10:24:47 PM »

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Right now im in the state of mind that, if we only have the money to sign one big free agent, or a bunch of marginal free agents. To use that money for a wing.

I know the names like Rasheed and Mcdyess look great. But do we really need another big man? I mean, we never had all our big men on the court last season. But I say, let moore go, resign bbd and powe and sign Rasho.

Then use as much money as it takes to get a guy like Grant Hill, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, etc.

Until someone tells me where the market is for BBD and Powe, i think we're going to be able to retain them cheaply. Even Glen, he's not unrestricted, until another team makes an offer, their both stayin. Assuming we make a qualifying offer.)

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 01:38:46 AM »

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Right now im in the state of mind that, if we only have the money to sign one big free agent, or a bunch of marginal free agents. To use that money for a wing.

I know the names like Rasheed and Mcdyess look great. But do we really need another big man? I mean, we never had all our big men on the court last season. But I say, let moore go, resign bbd and powe and sign Rasho.

Then use as much money as it takes to get a guy like Grant Hill, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, etc.

Until someone tells me where the market is for BBD and Powe, i think we're going to be able to retain them cheaply. Even Glen, he's not unrestricted, until another team makes an offer, their both stayin. Assuming we make a qualifying offer.)

Pretty sure Jamario Moon is restricted, but still a little surprised nobody has mentioned him here. Offensively he is pretty exciting, defensively I honestly have no idea..anyone help me out here?

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 12:15:42 PM »

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Right now im in the state of mind that, if we only have the money to sign one big free agent, or a bunch of marginal free agents. To use that money for a wing.

I know the names like Rasheed and Mcdyess look great. But do we really need another big man? I mean, we never had all our big men on the court last season. But I say, let moore go, resign bbd and powe and sign Rasho.

Then use as much money as it takes to get a guy like Grant Hill, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, etc.

Until someone tells me where the market is for BBD and Powe, i think we're going to be able to retain them cheaply. Even Glen, he's not unrestricted, until another team makes an offer, their both stayin. Assuming we make a qualifying offer.)



I feel like we do need another big man. I would not mind taking Rasho if Gooden,Mcdyess, and Wallace are unavialable or too expensive.
     Dahntay Jones is overated. Hes an above average defender but thats about it. He is not very good at shooting, passing, or rebounding. at 6'6'' 210 I can not see him playing D on big SF like Lebron and Hedo either. Matt Barnes or Grant Hill would be a much better fit over Moon and Jones.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 12:21:31 PM by Goldstar88 »
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 12:45:16 PM »

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I agree with the approach that you spend whatever it takes to get a really good player here, and then get the rest of the pieces cheap, instead of getting all decent players, get one GOOD one.  I think backup PG is the least of our worries out of this whole ordeal.  Rondo plays a lot of minutes, Eddie/Ray can get away with handling the ball as we saw, and Marbury would be a good fit.

For SF:  I think you might be able to get a Grant Hill here, and you might even be able to do it pretty cheaply.  He is a smart player, plays hard, and really would like to win a championship.  I could see him taking a paycut to come here and play  alongside the team we've put together.  He has already shown that he is more than willing to check his ego at the door and do whatever it takes.  And the best part, he can do it (score, rebound, defend, play multiple positions).

As for a F:  Obviously some names are going around that may or may not even be open to the idea.  The one name I have been cringing hearing, however, is Antonio McDyess.  I don't see this guy helping the Celtics.  If we were a young team looking to ad a vet to solidfiy the front court down the stretch, I would be thrilled about this.  Excpet, WE AREN'T!  We already have veterans to run the team and control the young guys IN THE STARTING LINEUP.  Also, when you think about McDyess, you think rebounding is average, defense is average (and that might be generous from what we saw last season, and at this age), offense overall is a little above average.  His only REAL asset is that short corner/elbow jumper.  While a decent asset, KG, BBD, and even Miki Moore could all hit that shot.  I think there is much better talent out there for simliar (maybe even less) money.

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Rasheed would be my first pick, but the money and mentality would have to fit, that's a wildcard.
My second pick is Gortat.  Played great defense against the Celtics, and his athletisism lets him compete on both ends.  Also plays hard and has been looking to prove that he deserves minutes he didn't get behind Howard.
Anderson could also be a money issue, but the shot blocking and athletisism alone are reason enough to get him in green (which is good, because that's all he brings).

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 12:49:30 PM »

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OK, I am going to leave out Artest and Marion, just because I don't want to get my hopes up.  But they both would be at the top of the list, if it were at all likely.

1. Sheed - Yeah, he has some attitude issues, but they would be minimized on this C's team, and his skills fit in perfectly to what the C's need up front.  He may not be the defender he used to be, but is still one of the smartest defenders in the league, with the physical tools to defend just about any big man in the NBA.  And his versatility on offense would be huge.

2. McDyess - A step down from Sheed overall, but a very good second option.  He is still a decent defender and rebounder, and is a solid offensive player.

3. Grant Hill - He may not defend much anymore, but he would be a great leader, and could singlehandedly transform the offense of the bench.

4. Anthony Parker - Just a solid, veteran, NBA player.  He can defend, hit his shot, and even handle the ball a little.  I think he is one of the most realistic wing options.

5. Marquis Daniels - at $7 million per year, he was too much for Indy, but if you can get him for $3 million, he could be a big boost off the bench.

6. Fabricio Oberto - He might move like he is stuck in molasses, but he is a skilled big man, who could do wonders for the C's offense when KG isn't in there.  The C's have sorely missed a second big man to run the offense through, and Oberto could be just that.  And he should be cheap.

7. Ime Udoka - He can defend and knock down the outside shot.  I don't know about his intangibles or BBIQ, but skillwise, he brings what you want.

8. Joe Smith - He isn't what he used to be, but would add decent depth at the forward spot.


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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 12:54:26 PM »

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These are the FA players I would want in Green. What are your FA Hopefuls?

1) A. Mcdyess or R. Wallace-  Either of these guy would be a huge lift for the bench both offensively and defensively.Both can alternate between the 4-5. I think Mcdyess would be a better option. Hes not as much of a wildcard.

2) B.Jackson or S. Marbury- After a full training camp with the C's, I think either player could be decent when Rondo is getting a rest. The C's need someone else who can run the offense and handle the ball under pressure.

3)G. Hill or M. Barnes- Grant Hill had a good season with the suns. However he is getting up there in age and has always been injury prone. Matt Barnes is probably the closest thing to filling the James Posey void. He plays good defense, shoots the three well, and can get to the rim.

4) L.Powe or Baby- Coin Flip

5) (Honorable Mention)
 Drew Gooden- if Rasheed or Mcdyess are not available. Hes young,decent offensively,and rebounds. Not sure about his defense.

Aaron Gray- Would not mind him coming in for Perk as a 2nd or 3rd Center. Hes 7'1, 270 and could help slow down Shaq. I saw him play against the Celtics this year and he looked like he could hold his own.


I'd prefer Mcdyess or Sheed as the big men.  Zaza and Gortat would be good pickups as well.  Gray isn't bad as a pickup either--definitely on the cheap though.

Bobby Jackson's not a bad idea for the minimum.  I'm not against having Marbury come to camp to see if he's got some game back.  I wouldn't invest more than the vet min for him based on last year-->someone will surely pay him more so he'll be moving on.

I was leaning towards Hill as the best wing option but with further consideration I think Barnes would be better based on age and health.  He'd probably cost less too.

An offseason of Zaza, Jackson and Barnes wouldn't be earth shattering but would be a definite improvement on the bench.  Zaza's the only one I'd think should take most of the MLE.  Barnes would hopefully take the LLE and Jackson the vet min.  Resign Powe and BBD and the C's are in pretty good shape for next year.  

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what about wally szczerbiak for the vet min used to give pierce and ray a rest for a couple minutes.  then try to use the MLE on a 6th man like marion sheed or birdman
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I nominate Sean May for The Scot Pollard/Patrick O'Bryant IR spot. He'll probably amount to nothing but the guy has talent and some potential. It's also give Clifford Ray a new project to work with.

If we need to spend money to bring in a legit backup swingman and PF, I wouldn't mind inviting Marcus Williams to camp to be the third PG. It's not like Marbury and Cassell did that much.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 01:07:50 PM »

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I think May is a decent name to throw around if we use money on a SF spot.  I think adding Wally is useless though.  He can't run anymore and we have Eddie House.  There is no room on a roster for two guys that straight spot shoot.  Neither creates their shot or puts any ball-in-hand pressure on the D.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 01:40:47 PM »

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Basically, as long as we get a fairly talented 4/5 that's 6-9 or above and a fairly talented wing that's 6-5 or taller, I'm going to be a pretty happy camper.  I don't think PG is a huge issue, simply because I think Rondo has the talent, youth, and athleticism to play 35-40 mpg.  Though I've long NOT been a fan of House at the PG spot, I think we can live with him there for 10-15 mpg, keeping in mind that it'll probably be even fewer minutes come playoff time.  And for those wondering what would happen if Rondo went down, well if Rondo goes down, we're not winning it all anyway, so it really doesn't matter who else is backing him up. 

As for my original two requirements, I'd probably prefer McDyess first, since he's proven in Detroit that he can fit into the team concept, play good defense, and hit the open jumper.  Sheed would be a good fit too, but he'd probably cost more money and be more of a gamble coming off the bench.  If we can't nab those two, Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, or Birdman would be nice additions.  Gortat would be too, but I worry that he wants too much money and that at his age he might be more concerned about putting up stats for a future contract than necessarily doing everything he needs to do to help the team. 

As for the SF spot, Grant Hill is probably my number one pick.  He made less than 2 million last year, so the LLE isn't out of the question with him.  He's probably not the world's most stellar defender, but he'd work miracles running the second team offensively.  He'd also make Eddie House at the PG spot more palatable, since Hill can handle the ball so well. 

Matt Barnes, Quinton Ross, and Bruce Bowen all wouldn't be bad options either if Hill doesn't work out. 

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Take this for what its worth, but regarding Grant Hill, I have a small business relationship with him. I spoke with him last year, and playfully suggested he come play for the Celtics. He said that he would never play here because it is too cold. I made a joke about him not enjoying winning championships, and he said "We let you win one, we'll get the next one."

Obviously, this was an informal discussion, and certainly things could change. But I am inclined to believe that we should not plan on Grant Hill signing with the Celtics any time soon.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 01:59:39 PM »

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Take this for what its worth, but regarding Grant Hill, I have a small business relationship with him. I spoke with him last year, and playfully suggested he come play for the Celtics. He said that he would never play here because it is too cold. I made a joke about him not enjoying winning championships, and he said "We let you win one, we'll get the next one."

Obviously, this was an informal discussion, and certainly things could change. But I am inclined to believe that we should not plan on Grant Hill signing with the Celtics any time soon.

What "we" was he talking about when he said "we let you win one"?  Last time I checked, we didn't play the Suns at all on the way to #18.

Still, interesting.  He might change his tune now as he's getting older and his chances to win a title are dwindling.  They certainly aren't going to happen in Phoenix, though he may choose to go to San Antonio or Orlando. 

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A guy nobody is talking about is Josh Childress.

He's entering the prime of his career and I am pretty sure his contract is up in Europe.  He's got the length to defend the SF position very well, and has always had great bball IQ to go along with deadly outside shooting. 

Not sure what it would cost us, but given the lack of hype surrounding him, it shouldn't break the bank.  More importantly, he could potentially be our 6th man for for the rest of the Paul Pierce era, unlike a guy like Hill who would be one and done.

What scares me is that we need to potentially give out 3 MLE-size-like contracts this year; one to a big like McDyess, one to re-sign Baby, and one to a SF to backup Pierce.  Wyc is going to have to Man-Up, because addressing only 1 of those 3 needs will not get it done next year.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2009, 02:33:13 PM »

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Take this for what its worth, but regarding Grant Hill, I have a small business relationship with him. I spoke with him last year, and playfully suggested he come play for the Celtics. He said that he would never play here because it is too cold. I made a joke about him not enjoying winning championships, and he said "We let you win one, we'll get the next one."

Obviously, this was an informal discussion, and certainly things could change. But I am inclined to believe that we should not plan on Grant Hill signing with the Celtics any time soon.

What "we" was he talking about when he said "we let you win one"?  Last time I checked, we didn't play the Suns at all on the way to #18.

Still, interesting.  He might change his tune now as he's getting older and his chances to win a title are dwindling.  They certainly aren't going to happen in Phoenix, though he may choose to go to San Antonio or Orlando. 

He was referring to the Suns, whom the Celtics clearly did not play. He was joking, or at least I hope he was joking  :)
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