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Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2009, 11:18:25 AM »

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  he doesn't have many NBA level skills.

This is an absurd comment. He was one of the best defenders of the draft, one of the best shooters in traffic, didn't dip in big games, can score on anyone, etc.

Isn't scoring an NBA skill? I could've sworn that it was.
And yet he wasn't drafted in the Top 10??

Wait!! He's that good and wasn't drafted in the first round!!

Oh my freaking God!! You mean he's got all those NBA skills and is one of the best in the draft and lasted all the way until pick 58???

Yeah...my comment's absurd. Sure it is because we must have obviously just drafted Michael Jordan. Oh wait. We drafted a relative unknown who scored a lot in a weak conference on a bad team because he was probably the only guy on his team that could dribble a basketball and chew gum at the same time.

He scored a lot and rebounded a lot because he was playing with stiffs against stiffs for almost all his career. He's short. He has a body more geared towards being a football player. He's an okay shooter. He doesn't have explosive speed or great lateral movement or exceptional ups. He has a very questionable handle and questionable decision making skills. He isn't the best passer. And he needs a lot of work extending his range, not to mention that he's ball dominant and doesn't really run a very good half court offense.

And that assessment is being nice and straight from a scout in the ACC..

But my comments are absurd.

Did anyone say anything about him being a top 10 talent?

He needs to extend his range? This is ludicrous and shows that you have not seen him play. He has unlimited range and that is with people guarding him.

Also, the scored a lot in the weak conference thing is played out because....he scored a lot against the top teams in the nation.

His body being more geared towards being a football player is a bad thing??? Have you seen Lebron lately? Big Baby? That's one of the worst criticisms out there.

A lot of the times teams know they don't have any room on their roster so they take a flier on a random international player so they will have the rights if they ever turn out good.

It is true that he is a longshot to crack the roster because we are a championship contending team. But this kid will be on an NBA roster next year and that's a great job if you are picking at 58. I'm not the kid's father or anything, but I have seen legitimate game film on him outside of Youtube and I just don't like to see the people hating on his game before they even see him.
Could have fooled me.

BTW, having a football players body and being a forward or center is one thing.  Having a football player's body and being a PG, who needs speed, endurance, quickness, and lateral movement is a bad thing to NBA scouts. The criticism is justified.

Also, you must only be watching Youtube because his hitting three pointers with people in face are the only things on Youtube. He shot only 35% from the 19ft three point line this year. He would need to extend his range another 4 -6 feet to make that shot in the pros. 35% isn't all that great a percentage and pro scouts don't love when your shooting percentage goes down over the years.

As for the level of competition he played this year. he played three good teams, USC, Tennessee and Auburn. His only good game was against Auburn, the last game of the year when Auburn had everything set in their conference and for the tourney. They cruised and still won. USC and Tennessee destroyed UT-Martin and Hudson had bad games.

Tennessee - 20 Pts, 4 Rebs, 5 Asts, 4 TOs, 7-22 FG, 3-14 3PTFG
USC - 20 pts, 4 Rebs, 2 Asts, 3 TOs, 8-24 FG, 4-14 3PTFG

Not exactly awe inspiring numbers against better competition.

Listen, Danny could have done a lot worse than this pick but the over exuberance for what he is on this site is ridiculous. He's an okay little player with little to no upside, who, if he can't contribute right away, never will. It really is that simple and unfortunately, there are many, many, many people out there who think he won't.

BTW, I have two friends at high positions in the athletic departments at schools in the Big 12 and ACC. I have access to a lot of info on college players most won't. My opinions on college players are from personal watching and long convos with my two very good friends because we are college basketball junkies. Please don't lump me in with the Youtube crowd. It's insulting.

Look nobody cares about your 2 friends with high positions within the athletic deptartments head janitorial positions. Regardless why would any ANY ANY Big 12 or ACC scout or anyone affiliated with the school scout or research a kid at UT Martin. People who have never been involved in college athletics as a player, coach, scout personally dont understand the athletic dept processes

Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2009, 11:28:11 AM »

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Look nobody cares about your 2 friends with high positions within the athletic deptartments head janitorial positions.

speak for yourself  - it moved me to tears....
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Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2009, 11:41:16 AM »

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A lot of programs will pay for a scouting/film service that has game film and statistical breakdowns of just about every college team in the land. That is how I was able to watch a bunch of Lester's games...and I'm very impressed.

I still don't get how the football build is a bad thing. And there can be a bunch of different types of football builds...Lester is built like a Strong Safety. I would also call Billups a SS type, and that isn't hurting him too much. AI would be a CB, FS, or WR. Seriously, the broad shoulders/long arms are only going to help him in the league. Gabe's frail body helps him when he's guarding 25 feet from the basket, but when he's driving he gets tossed around...which is why he doesn't drive.

Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2009, 12:16:28 PM »

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boy oh boy. has there ever been such a heated debate and careful analysis of a 2nd round pick on celticsblog before?

heck, not since....well....2008.

this is whats makes this place fun. incredible passion over the 58th pick.

honestly, i am looking forward to the summer league more and more. i hope everyone here who can watch the league will keep the rest of us informed on how "MJ junior" does.  :)
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Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2009, 12:17:52 PM »

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boy oh boy. has there ever been such a heated debate and careful analysis of a 2nd round pick on celticsblog before?

heck, not since....well....2008.

this is whats makes this place fun. incredible passion over the 58th pick.

honestly, i am looking forward to the summer league more and more. i hope everyone here who can watch the league will keep the rest of us informed on "MJ junior" does.  :)

Space Jam II with Lester Hudson??? One can only dream.

Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2009, 12:30:28 PM »

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boy oh boy. has there ever been such a heated debate and careful analysis of a 2nd round pick on celticsblog before?

heck, not since....well....2008.

this is whats makes this place fun. incredible passion over the 58th pick.

honestly, i am looking forward to the summer league more and more. i hope everyone here who can watch the league will keep the rest of us informed on how "MJ junior" does.  :)

I like the nick name MJ Junior.

Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2009, 01:25:24 PM »

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  he doesn't have many NBA level skills.

This is an absurd comment. He was one of the best defenders of the draft, one of the best shooters in traffic, didn't dip in big games, can score on anyone, etc.

Isn't scoring an NBA skill? I could've sworn that it was.
And yet he wasn't drafted in the Top 10??

Wait!! He's that good and wasn't drafted in the first round!!

Oh my freaking God!! You mean he's got all those NBA skills and is one of the best in the draft and lasted all the way until pick 58???

Yeah...my comment's absurd. Sure it is because we must have obviously just drafted Michael Jordan. Oh wait. We drafted a relative unknown who scored a lot in a weak conference on a bad team because he was probably the only guy on his team that could dribble a basketball and chew gum at the same time.

He scored a lot and rebounded a lot because he was playing with stiffs against stiffs for almost all his career. He's short. He has a body more geared towards being a football player. He's an okay shooter. He doesn't have explosive speed or great lateral movement or exceptional ups. He has a very questionable handle and questionable decision making skills. He isn't the best passer. And he needs a lot of work extending his range, not to mention that he's ball dominant and doesn't really run a very good half court offense.

And that assessment is being nice and straight from a scout in the ACC..

But my comments are absurd.

Did anyone say anything about him being a top 10 talent?

He needs to extend his range? This is ludicrous and shows that you have not seen him play. He has unlimited range and that is with people guarding him.

Also, the scored a lot in the weak conference thing is played out because....he scored a lot against the top teams in the nation.

His body being more geared towards being a football player is a bad thing??? Have you seen Lebron lately? Big Baby? That's one of the worst criticisms out there.

A lot of the times teams know they don't have any room on their roster so they take a flier on a random international player so they will have the rights if they ever turn out good.

It is true that he is a longshot to crack the roster because we are a championship contending team. But this kid will be on an NBA roster next year and that's a great job if you are picking at 58. I'm not the kid's father or anything, but I have seen legitimate game film on him outside of Youtube and I just don't like to see the people hating on his game before they even see him.
Could have fooled me.

BTW, having a football players body and being a forward or center is one thing.  Having a football player's body and being a PG, who needs speed, endurance, quickness, and lateral movement is a bad thing to NBA scouts. The criticism is justified.

Also, you must only be watching Youtube because his hitting three pointers with people in face are the only things on Youtube. He shot only 35% from the 19ft three point line this year. He would need to extend his range another 4 -6 feet to make that shot in the pros. 35% isn't all that great a percentage and pro scouts don't love when your shooting percentage goes down over the years.

As for the level of competition he played this year. he played three good teams, USC, Tennessee and Auburn. His only good game was against Auburn, the last game of the year when Auburn had everything set in their conference and for the tourney. They cruised and still won. USC and Tennessee destroyed UT-Martin and Hudson had bad games.

Tennessee - 20 Pts, 4 Rebs, 5 Asts, 4 TOs, 7-22 FG, 3-14 3PTFG
USC - 20 pts, 4 Rebs, 2 Asts, 3 TOs, 8-24 FG, 4-14 3PTFG

Not exactly awe inspiring numbers against better competition.

Listen, Danny could have done a lot worse than this pick but the over exuberance for what he is on this site is ridiculous. He's an okay little player with little to no upside, who, if he can't contribute right away, never will. It really is that simple and unfortunately, there are many, many, many people out there who think he won't.

BTW, I have two friends at high positions in the athletic departments at schools in the Big 12 and ACC. I have access to a lot of info on college players most won't. My opinions on college players are from personal watching and long convos with my two very good friends because we are college basketball junkies. Please don't lump me in with the Youtube crowd. It's insulting.

Look nobody cares about your 2 friends with high positions within the athletic deptartments head janitorial positions. Regardless why would any ANY ANY Big 12 or ACC scout or anyone affiliated with the school scout or research a kid at UT Martin. People who have never been involved in college athletics as a player, coach, scout personally dont understand the athletic dept processes
Obviously, the one who is clueless about how college athletic programs work is not me. As jdpapa explained, most large programs pay a service for game film from just about everyone. Some of the larger universities go one step further and break down that film and prepare scouting reports on each and every team and their top players.

Why?

Some programs go to the dance every year and want to be prepared for first round opponents. Other universities receive applications for transfer from JUCO and lower level college conference players all the time and want to know what is out there. These universities spend millions on scouting for players to add to their programs in every and any way.

Heck, my friend at the ACC school called me to talk about a local kid who's playing for the local high school because he thought my son might know him and this school wanted to know what he was like off the court because they are going to put a serious push towards recruiting him. The kid they are looking at is in the ninth grade and won't be available for 3 more years.

That's how in depth and how far ahead they look at these things.


Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2009, 05:57:37 PM »

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The difference between eddie house and hudson is that hudson CAN pass and they are crisp passes from what i have read and seen on youtube. When a guy knows how to lobby passes for alley hoops that is a skill not many guards posses

Everyone needs to realize that his team stinked . He had nobody to really pass to. On a good team his passing totals will increase no doubt.

He is a scorer at heart i'm sure but so is billups and look how good of a pg he has learned to be

i really don't get the attacks or negative bent towards this guy. All he did the last two seasons was score at 25 plus pt per game playing div 1(even if it was a smaller conference) and carried his team on his back

He has "proven" what he can do unlike a guy like demar derozan who has all the abilities in the world but his hype mainly revolves around potential. You doubt guy like that not guys like hudson imo

Re: L. Hudson interesting stats/my take
« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2009, 11:45:17 AM »

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The difference between eddie house and hudson is that hudson CAN pass and they are crisp passes from what i have read and seen on youtube. When a guy knows how to lobby passes for alley hoops that is a skill not many guards posses

Everyone needs to realize that his team stinked . He had nobody to really pass to. On a good team his passing totals will increase no doubt.

He is a scorer at heart i'm sure but so is billups and look how good of a pg he has learned to be

i really don't get the attacks or negative bent towards this guy. All he did the last two seasons was score at 25 plus pt per game playing div 1(even if it was a smaller conference) and carried his team on his back

He has "proven" what he can do unlike a guy like demar derozan who has all the abilities in the world but his hype mainly revolves around potential. You doubt guy like that not guys like hudson imo

29 other GM's agreed, he wasn't worth taking before 58.  That says something... I wouldn't run out and buy a Hudson jersey, is all I'm saying (and Lester, don't get a shamrock tattoo above behind your ear!)



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