JR Giddens: Odd Man Out

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give him a chance. He wasn't recruited by kentucky after high school for no reason.

He just needs to tighten the nuts and bolts to play in the nba

Plenty of Kentucky guys make lousy pros (read: Wayne Turner). Same goes for Kansas, and he couldn't even hack it there.

I'm sorry I just feel that anyone who actually believes Giddens is going to be servicable rotation player on the Cs next season has their head in the sand. Read between the lines -- they didn't like what they saw last year.

SO who's minutes did you think he'd be taking as a rookie last year, ray allen's, tony allen's, or eddie house's?

JR would have to be ridiculously good to crack our 2 spot rotation, since the front office and coaching staff love TA for some reason. Hopefully TA's latest disaster will eliminate those minutes and let JR and pruitt (if back) sink or swim.

I don;t know how good JR can or can't be, how can we, but i dont blame him for not cracking a depth chart that was 4 players deep (counting him as #4)

whose placing blame? i'm not blaming his lack of minutes on him, circumstances or anythign else -- i'm saying he's not going to earn them this year, or anytime soon on the Cs. do i think he'd play alot on the Thunder? or the Heat? or the Kings? or the Pacers? No i don't.

can anyone find one positive piece of feedback on his game that came out of the mouths of danny ainge or doc rivers other than "hard work" talk? i seriously doubt it.

they reached on the guy because they liked his tenacity and d over the CDRs, Mhah a Boutes and Chalmers of the world. he wasn't as good as they thought he'd be. he plays on a veteran team. no biggie -- but it's not happening.

they should have taken Jordan, but we've been over that too many times on the board already....

  If he is going to play on this team it's more than likely the yer after next when they'd want him to step into some of Eddie's minutes after Eddie's 2 year deal ends. It's not like they thought that they were picking up a replacement for Ray Allen at the end of the 1st round.

take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

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What's holding him back is that he was a rookie last year. As simple as that.

nope. what's holding himback is he's not very good. have you heard anyone in the organization say anything positive about him, other than "he works really hard"? when that's all that's being said the translation is: he sucks.

capital NOPE. If the team thought he sucked they easily could have traded him for a second round pick, but by not trying to get more picks means that Ainge has trust in the young guys he already has. Billy and JR are just as good as any wingers in this ENTIRE draft.

we heard over and over again how ainge tried to dump him for ANYTHING last year. at best his trade value is salary filler in a larger deal.

He was only willing to trade him for a first rounder this year, and more of a consequence because we had a full roster and Ainge needed to fill some needs. In theory, any pick that Ainge might've gotten of a trade would've been an improvement as Giddens was a 30th pick in the first round, so any first rounder would've been a lower pick... but that's just in theory. But the main motivation was to open a roster spot because we needed bigman help and PG help... none of those Giddens could fill and we didn't have the roster spots to fill them.

In conclusion, dump him for ANYTHING is quite an exaggeration and completely false.

How do you know he was only willing to trade him for a first? Yes, he was trying to, but do you actually think Ainge wouldn't have swapped him out for a high second? Of course he says he values him more than this year's crop, how else is he gonna trade the guy.

Again: I challenge anyone to come up with praise for the guy. Practice praise, upside praise, anything. What I recall is a rough reaction at the beginning last year and silence after that. And not from the D-League coach who has no choice -- thi if i recall he said JR's defense needed major work as well -- supposedly a strong suit when they drafted him.

Well the report said that Ainge was looking to trade him for a first rounder... if you're going to believe the report you have to believe that portion also.

As for articles about Ainge and Giddens... find me places where he was asked about Giddens and we'll see what he answers... if he isn't asked about him, there's nothing to comment on. But I'm pretty sure I remember reading in various places that he was quite happy and satisfied on is progress over there and on how he was playing.

Anyways, I don't care for Danny's opinion... I've seen him play and I like what I see in him. I can draw my own conclusions.

fair enough, i hope you're right. but your conclusions won't find him playing time on the Celtics.

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take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

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take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

because your comparison was an all-star vs. a guy who has never seen a meaningful minute of playing time. regardless of semantics the point is the same: he'd have to be here to take eddie's minutes and do anything with them anyway.

look, this is really simple: do you think giddens will be on the celtics in the fall of 2010 -- neither trade in an expring contract move, nor option declined? do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year? i believe the answers to be no and no.

there are a number of guys i wish danny had taken ahead of giddens -- chalmers, boute, jordan, walker and others. danny is generally an excellent judge of talent, but who wouldn't admit this one was an airball. i think we can all agree. thankfully he made amends by indeed taking walker after the fact.

[BballTim]

take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

because your comparison was an all-star in place of a guy who has never seen a meaningful minute of playing time.

look, do you think giddens will be on the celtics in the fall of 2010 -- neither trade in an expring contract move, nor option declined? do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year? i believe the answers to be no and no.

there are a number of guys i wish danny had taken ahead of giddens -- chalmers, boute, jordan, walker and others. danny is generally an excellent judge of talent, but this one was an airball. thankfully he made amends by indeed taking walker after the fact.

  I wasn't making a comparison, I was pointing out that just because someone plays backup sg for us doesn't mean they have to do exactly what Eddie does and take the same number of shots and the same number of threes as Eddie.

  Frankly, the "do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year" argument seems a bit odd. If he wanted Walker more than he wanted Giddens then why would he have drafted Giddens when Walker was still available? If Walker was drafted 28th and Danny then drafted Giddens and then traded for Walker the scenario would make sense, but not otherwise.

  And I don't know whether Giddens will be on the team next year, but I don't think the fact that he didn't play last year proves it one way or the other. Wouldn't you agree that sg was probably our deepest position last year? Wouldn't you agree that our depth at his spot would affect his playing time?

  If he's not playing for us in 10-11 he's probably a wiff by Ainge. If he's a backup at that time then he's filling the role he was drafted for.

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take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

because your comparison was an all-star in place of a guy who has never seen a meaningful minute of playing time.

look, do you think giddens will be on the celtics in the fall of 2010 -- neither trade in an expring contract move, nor option declined? do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year? i believe the answers to be no and no.

there are a number of guys i wish danny had taken ahead of giddens -- chalmers, boute, jordan, walker and others. danny is generally an excellent judge of talent, but this one was an airball. thankfully he made amends by indeed taking walker after the fact.

  I wasn't making a comparison, I was pointing out that just because someone plays backup sg for us doesn't mean they have to do exactly what Eddie does and take the same number of shots and the same number of threes as Eddie.

  Frankly, the "do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year" argument seems a bit odd. If he wanted Walker more than he wanted Giddens then why would he have drafted Giddens when Walker was still available? If Walker was drafted 28th and Danny then drafted Giddens and then traded for Walker the scenario would make sense, but not otherwise.

  And I don't know whether Giddens will be on the team next year, but I don't think the fact that he didn't play last year proves it one way or the other. Wouldn't you agree that sg was probably our deepest position last year? Wouldn't you agree that our depth at his spot would affect his playing time?

  If he's not playing for us in 10-11 he's probably a wiff by Ainge. If he's a backup at that time then he's filling the role he was drafted for.

i think it's pretty clear they consider walker the more talented player. doc basically said as much today. but as you say, no way to know if he hasn't / never plays.

it's my feeling they think he bites and if they didn't have to pay him, he wouldn't even be around.

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take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

because your comparison was an all-star in place of a guy who has never seen a meaningful minute of playing time.

look, do you think giddens will be on the celtics in the fall of 2010 -- neither trade in an expring contract move, nor option declined? do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year? i believe the answers to be no and no.

there are a number of guys i wish danny had taken ahead of giddens -- chalmers, boute, jordan, walker and others. danny is generally an excellent judge of talent, but this one was an airball. thankfully he made amends by indeed taking walker after the fact.

  I wasn't making a comparison, I was pointing out that just because someone plays backup sg for us doesn't mean they have to do exactly what Eddie does and take the same number of shots and the same number of threes as Eddie.

  Frankly, the "do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year" argument seems a bit odd. If he wanted Walker more than he wanted Giddens then why would he have drafted Giddens when Walker was still available? If Walker was drafted 28th and Danny then drafted Giddens and then traded for Walker the scenario would make sense, but not otherwise.

  And I don't know whether Giddens will be on the team next year, but I don't think the fact that he didn't play last year proves it one way or the other. Wouldn't you agree that sg was probably our deepest position last year? Wouldn't you agree that our depth at his spot would affect his playing time?

  If he's not playing for us in 10-11 he's probably a wiff by Ainge. If he's a backup at that time then he's filling the role he was drafted for.

i think it's pretty clear they consider walker the more talented player. doc basically said as much today. but as you say, no way to know if he hasn't / never plays.

it's my feeling they think he bites and if they didn't have to pay him, he wouldn't even be around.

It's not really Walker vs. Giddens. It's Giddens vs. Giddens, the kid can defend, rebound, and score, It's like he just gets too nervous to play out there on the big stage. Hopefully he can get over that this year.

Walker did fine becuase he's so cocky and has such a huge chip on his shoulder. He knows he belongs here, he's been NBA talent since 10th grade.

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I wish we had taken Chalmers instead of Giddens.  Our backcourt would have been so much better with a competent 2nd PG.  Giddens tore up the d-league but whoopy dee do.  That doesn't really help the pro team, does it?

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It's not really Walker vs. Giddens. It's Giddens vs. Giddens, the kid can defend, rebound, and score, It's like he just gets too nervous to play out there on the big stage. Hopefully he can get over that this year.

Walker did fine becuase he's so cocky and has such a huge chip on his shoulder. He knows he belongs here, he's been NBA talent since 10th grade.

Right on point. Giddens is fighting his own demons. He is a well rounded player and a freak athlete. Take a chill pill, and learn the system. Walker is just a beast. He goes hard 24/7. His game still needs some work, but is work horse.

We still have to reconstruct our bench. If Danny & Doc leave that SG spot for these guys to mature in, Anything Is Possible! We than focus on other things.

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take Eddie's minutes -- so he's an energy bench scorer now? the guy who aveeraged 16 a game at UNM? let's see if he can even make his way onto the court before we reply on him to fearlessly pump in some 3s every night.

  Calm down. I said IF he's going to play it would likely be the year after next taking some of the minutes Eddie's playing now. That would mean backup shooting guard. Not necessarily Eddie's role on the team. If I said Shaq was going to take a lot of minutes from big Z would you think I meant that he was going to lose 50 pounds and become a perimeter player?

no, because shaq is the better player. anyway your suggestion requires them picking up his option after next year which is a pipe dream.

  What does Shaq being the better player have to do with the question? And, yet again, I said IF he's going to play. Frankly I don't care one way or another, but I don't see why you're being so adamant about the issue. Are you that  sure that he'll be gone? I don't know that I'd even call it likely or unlikely at this point. Danny seems to be fairly happy with his ability to play.

because your comparison was an all-star in place of a guy who has never seen a meaningful minute of playing time.

look, do you think giddens will be on the celtics in the fall of 2010 -- neither trade in an expring contract move, nor option declined? do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year? i believe the answers to be no and no.

there are a number of guys i wish danny had taken ahead of giddens -- chalmers, boute, jordan, walker and others. danny is generally an excellent judge of talent, but this one was an airball. thankfully he made amends by indeed taking walker after the fact.

  I wasn't making a comparison, I was pointing out that just because someone plays backup sg for us doesn't mean they have to do exactly what Eddie does and take the same number of shots and the same number of threes as Eddie.

  Frankly, the "do you think he'd be on the celtics if they knew they were going to get walker with the 47th pick last year" argument seems a bit odd. If he wanted Walker more than he wanted Giddens then why would he have drafted Giddens when Walker was still available? If Walker was drafted 28th and Danny then drafted Giddens and then traded for Walker the scenario would make sense, but not otherwise.

  And I don't know whether Giddens will be on the team next year, but I don't think the fact that he didn't play last year proves it one way or the other. Wouldn't you agree that sg was probably our deepest position last year? Wouldn't you agree that our depth at his spot would affect his playing time?

  If he's not playing for us in 10-11 he's probably a wiff by Ainge. If he's a backup at that time then he's filling the role he was drafted for.

i think it's pretty clear they consider walker the more talented player. doc basically said as much today. but as you say, no way to know if he hasn't / never plays.

it's my feeling they think he bites and if they didn't have to pay him, he wouldn't even be around.

Link?

In my opinion Giddens is currently the more useful player, mainly because I think he plays better defense and moves the ball much better and is a pretty good passer (creates for other people). Great rebounder too. No doubt I think Walker is the better talent, but I'm still of the opinion that Giddens is currently the more useful player and the better team player.

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What's holding him back is that he was a rookie last year. As simple as that.

nope. what's holding himback is he's not very good. have you heard anyone in the organization say anything positive about him, other than "he works really hard"? when that's all that's being said the translation is: he sucks.

capital NOPE. If the team thought he sucked they easily could have traded him for a second round pick, but by not trying to get more picks means that Ainge has trust in the young guys he already has. Billy and JR are just as good as any wingers in this ENTIRE draft.

i hope you are correct on why ainge did not trade giddens for a 2nd round pick. but do you have any proof or support?

we did see in the papers that ainge shopped giddens around pretty often, but no takers.