How Come We Cant Do What Everyone Else Is Doing?

[wdleehi]

Take a closer look.  Many of the contract being moved are partially guarenteed next season. 

Teams are going to waive these players and get under the cap.



Celtics do not have those type of deals. 



But have no fear, those types of contracts are going to disappear.  Come trade deadline, Scali and TA will be a highly desired contract duo for teams looking to save money.


Just be patient.

I think that the off season is the time to move these guys. We can add in Pruitt who's contract isn't guaranteed. We can use this to get someone like Noccioni, or Maggette. We should do it now so that we can buy a draft pick to help fill out our roster.

No.  Need the new season to begin so TA is no longer BYE.


Plus, it is in season that teams usually look to find savings for the next year.  That's when TA and Scali will have more value.

[Evantime34]

Take a closer look.  Many of the contract being moved are partially guarenteed next season. 

Teams are going to waive these players and get under the cap.



Celtics do not have those type of deals. 



But have no fear, those types of contracts are going to disappear.  Come trade deadline, Scali and TA will be a highly desired contract duo for teams looking to save money.


Just be patient.

I think that the off season is the time to move these guys. We can add in Pruitt who's contract isn't guaranteed. We can use this to get someone like Noccioni, or Maggette. We should do it now so that we can buy a draft pick to help fill out our roster.

No.  Need the new season to begin so TA is no longer BYE.


Plus, it is in season that teams usually look to find savings for the next year.  That's when TA and Scali will have more value.

According to the espn trade machine he is no longer BYE after July 1st.

[RonJohn]

The old saying goes, "Patience is a virtue."
The C's are a highly desirable team to play for right now. A bunch of guys will be bought of their contracts and as teams feel the squeeze will not be out there spending money.  It will be interesting to see who is available. The C's cannot jump the gun on this.
Who got traded so far? Jamal Crawford, a guy who doesn't play defense or make his team mates better on offense.
Shaq? We can't use him.
RJ? he's a homeless man's paul pierce making huge money.
The expiring contracts will be put to good use in due time.

[KungPoweChicken]

Why is everyone saying RJ is overpaid? The guy has always been a fringe all-star, if not an all-star, through out his career. He's making exactly what he should be. He's a very good player. If the Spurs can sign solid power forward or center in free agency, they will immediately become the favorites to win it all.

[prov1ml34]

I don't understand why we don't go after Tyson Chandler. If the report is true that the Cavs were going to try to go after him if the Shaq deal fell through then we ought to do the same. We know from last year that NO is not against getting rid of him and I am reading between the lines here, but I would assume that the Cavs were trying to obtain him with the same package they sent PHO for Shaq. I would say a combination of Scal, Tony, and someone else/cash is just as good as what the Cavs were going to offer or what they were in talks with NO about....

[GroverTheClover]

I don't understand why we don't go after Tyson Chandler. If the report is true that the Cavs were going to try to go after him if the Shaq deal fell through then we ought to do the same. We know from last year that NO is not against getting rid of him and I am reading between the lines here, but I would assume that the Cavs were trying to obtain him with the same package they sent PHO for Shaq. I would say a combination of Scal, Tony, and someone else/cash is just as good as what the Cavs were going to offer or what they were in talks with NO about....

I think we would need to wait until Eddie exercises his player option for $2.5 million. That way we could send Eddie, Tony and Scal (and maybe Giddens/Walker) roughly $9 million for Chandler to make the salaries match up.

[paintitgreen]

Why is everyone saying RJ is overpaid? The guy has always been a fringe all-star, if not an all-star, through out his career. He's making exactly what he should be. He's a very good player. If the Spurs can sign solid power forward or center in free agency, they will immediately become the favorites to win it all.

Fringe All Stars shouldn't make $15 million a year (more than a quarter of the salary cap). I wouldn't go so far as to say he's one of the most overpaid players in the league, but he is overpaid.

I think that the off season is the time to move these guys. We can add in Pruitt who's contract isn't guaranteed. We can use this to get someone like Noccioni, or Maggette. We should do it now so that we can buy a draft pick to help fill out our roster.

Prutt's non-guaranteed contract is like $800,000. Not really a ton of savings. Especially since we'd probably also include TA in any salary dump deal, and his contract is still subject to BYC rules until after the option on Pruitt has to be exercised I believe. If Pruitt's contract isn't guaranteed until late summer and TA's deal escapes BYC rules July 1, we have slightly better options, so we should be looking at that window. Like wdleehi said, patience.

On Chandler - who starts, Chandler or Perkins? Also, aren't you a little worried about his injury status combined with the money he makes?

I just think there are better options, though I won't oppose any move that fills one of our 2-3 major needs (big backup wing, backup big man, backup point) without giving up a major part of our core.

[greg_kite]

I don't understand why we don't go after Tyson Chandler. If the report is true that the Cavs were going to try to go after him if the Shaq deal fell through then we ought to do the same. We know from last year that NO is not against getting rid of him and I am reading between the lines here, but I would assume that the Cavs were trying to obtain him with the same package they sent PHO for Shaq. I would say a combination of Scal, Tony, and someone else/cash is just as good as what the Cavs were going to offer or what they were in talks with NO about....

I think we would need to wait until Eddie exercises his player option for $2.5 million. That way we could send Eddie, Tony and Scal (and maybe Giddens/Walker) roughly $9 million for Chandler to make the salaries match up.

I'd love to see that.  As long as he's healthy.  I think it would be better to wait to see which free agents we can get.  If we can sign a big then we trade for a wing, or if we can sign a wing we trade for Chandler.

[dark_lord]

I think we would need to wait until Eddie exercises his player option for $2.5 million. That way we could send Eddie, Tony and Scal (and maybe Giddens/Walker) roughly $9 million for Chandler to make the salaries match up.

thats a wet dream for the celtics, but why would NO ever do this for our garbage?

[prov1ml34]

I think we would need to wait until Eddie exercises his player option for $2.5 million. That way we could send Eddie, Tony and Scal (and maybe Giddens/Walker) roughly $9 million for Chandler to make the salaries match up.

thats a wet dream for the celtics, but why would NO ever do this for our garbage?

Well, there is a rumor now that PHO might flip Wallace to NO for Chandler....i say Danny checks into this

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60079/20090625/suns_could_flip_wallace_to_hornets_for_chandler/

[wdleehi]

Take a closer look.  Many of the contract being moved are partially guarenteed next season. 

Teams are going to waive these players and get under the cap.



Celtics do not have those type of deals. 



But have no fear, those types of contracts are going to disappear.  Come trade deadline, Scali and TA will be a highly desired contract duo for teams looking to save money.


Just be patient.

I think that the off season is the time to move these guys. We can add in Pruitt who's contract isn't guaranteed. We can use this to get someone like Noccioni, or Maggette. We should do it now so that we can buy a draft pick to help fill out our roster.

No.  Need the new season to begin so TA is no longer BYE.


Plus, it is in season that teams usually look to find savings for the next year.  That's when TA and Scali will have more value.

According to the espn trade machine he is no longer BYE after July 1st.

Then that's when his trade value will go up. 


It will still be at it highest near the deadline.

[celticinorlando]

don't know why danny can't move guys like tony and scal for all stars....

[WeMadeIt17]

im not saying all-stars just role players... something... anything something that can do something on the floor

[SCBirdman]

I see crap trades going on around the league like its nothing. Shaq for Sasha and Big Ben? Crawford a good scorer for acie Law and some other bum. Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas, and Oberto for RJ! Thats a 37 yeard old who really doesn't play the same D anymore. A 37 year old that really cant play anymore, And a decent vet in Oberto whom they just traded! How come we cant get something for Scal, J.R., and Tony? I mean really thats just as good as a package then all of those teams put up for very good players! What the heck is going on!

Sometimes, its better not to respond for the sake of responding. I'm sure Dallas wishes they had not repsonded to LA getting Gasol, just like Phoenix probably wishes they did not repsond.

The Celtics need to stand pat with the core and strengthen the bench. It will not be easy as there are more contenders now with some of the moves that have been made. I can see Sheed going to Cleavland, and Hill and Dice will have many options as well.

DA and Wyc have to pull out all stops in FA to shore up the bench. Our starting 5 is still the best in the NBA. Resign BBD, Starbury and Leon. Go get a wing and a post. Banner 18 is on the way.

[tenn_smoothie]

rajon rondo has huge talent and also big deficiencies in his game - he is a bit unusual in that there is not a lot of middle ground in his game.

danny ainge, i believe is over-rated as our GM. he has made some solid late draft choices and really, one great trade (for kevin garnett).

his down side includes a propensity to make impulsive trades which often turn out badly and which he tries to fix with another impulsive trade. he also has changed the rebuilding plan for the Celtics several times (going young & athletic one season followed by signing veterans of questionable character the next)until he finally stumbled on a winning combination when he aquired kevin garnett.

we finally win a long-awaited 17th title and what does ainge do ?? he allows our most important bench player to sign with another team because he is worried about year 4 of a team with a three-year window to win titles ........ what conclusion did ainge make that allowed him to let james posey get away .......... the insane conclusion that tony allen could step right into the key 6th man role and replace a player full of basketball IQ, big-game savvy and intangibles that made this team better in every facet of the game.

so danny ainge is not screwing up these days ...... he's just reverting back down to his normal level of incompetence.