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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 01:55:05 PM »

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Terrible defensive shortstop.  No thanks.  Did you see him against the Red Sox?  Not a Fenway shortstop imo.  Seems like a dumb player.

why does he have to play short?

we have a glaring hole at DH available.

Because using Hanley at DH would be a huge waste of his athletic ability, he has the ability to do like Bj Upton and become a [dang] good centerfielder. If the Sox were to trade for him im pretty sure they'd do it to have him move to CF.

The hole at DH also doesnt seem nearly as big as it did a month ago, Ortiz is looking very good at thep late over the last 2 or 3 weeks, SSS of course but he looks nothing like he idd early in the year.

Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 01:59:19 PM »

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I think this is one of the worst Ideas I have seen on this blog in a long time.  He is a terrible defensive shortstop which is our teams biggest weakness.  You are also talking about trading away a proven pitcher, who is far better than SABATHIA, BTW.... a guy that has won in the playoffs and already produced us a ring, and then you wanna trade more prospects?  regardless of the fact that one of our top five prospects is a shortstop and we are currently paying Lowrie and Green next to nothing to play the position..   This just makes no sense.

Casey Kelly is not going to stay at SS, he will most certainly be a pitcher if and when he makes it to the majors. He has been dominant as a pitcher so unless he comes out and hits .400 as a SS after he reaches his limit the Sox are gonna make him a pitcher full time.

Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches, he deserved it for the regular season.

Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 02:02:32 PM »

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Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches.

Precisely, Becketts playoff performances do not give him a free walk for the regular season.  He has been average while in Boston.  With the depth of the pitching in Boston, I'd have no issue trading Beckett and a prospect for Hanley.  Keep Lowrie at short, trade Ellsbury, let Hanley roam center field.  Hanley is a top 10 player in major leagues, Beckett is not even a top 10 pitcher in the league.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 02:03:26 PM »

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I think this is one of the worst Ideas I have seen on this blog in a long time.  He is a terrible defensive shortstop which is our teams biggest weakness.  You are also talking about trading away a proven pitcher, who is far better than SABATHIA, BTW.... a guy that has won in the playoffs and already produced us a ring, and then you wanna trade more prospects?  regardless of the fact that one of our top five prospects is a shortstop and we are currently paying Lowrie and Green next to nothing to play the position..   This just makes no sense.

Casey Kelly is not going to stay at SS, he will most certainly be a pitcher if and when he makes it to the majors. He has been dominant as a pitcher so unless he comes out and hits .400 as a SS after he reaches his limit the Sox are gonna make him a pitcher full time.

Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches, he deserved it for the regular season.

What are you basing this on? Have you talked to Casey? I see no indication that this is the case. 
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 02:06:47 PM »

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I think this is one of the worst Ideas I have seen on this blog in a long time.  He is a terrible defensive shortstop which is our teams biggest weakness.  You are also talking about trading away a proven pitcher, who is far better than SABATHIA, BTW.... a guy that has won in the playoffs and already produced us a ring, and then you wanna trade more prospects?  regardless of the fact that one of our top five prospects is a shortstop and we are currently paying Lowrie and Green next to nothing to play the position..   This just makes no sense.

Casey Kelly is not going to stay at SS, he will most certainly be a pitcher if and when he makes it to the majors. He has been dominant as a pitcher so unless he comes out and hits .400 as a SS after he reaches his limit the Sox are gonna make him a pitcher full time.

Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches, he deserved it for the regular season.

What are you basing this on? Have you talked to Casey? I see no indication that this is the case. 

I think its pretty simple, the Red Sox clearly like him more as a pitcher, they pay him so he will do what they say. If he keeps pitching like this they are going to make sure he puts all of his effort into pitching, so unless he comes out and sets the world on fire when he palys SS in a month or so i think its pretty clear he will be a full time pitcher next year.

Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 02:09:44 PM »

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From what I've read, he doesn't project to be much better at either position, but you'd rather have him come up as a pitcher and if that falters you can have him go to shortstop, but it'll be much harder to do it the opposite way and start him at short and if he falters there go back to being a pitcher.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 02:10:49 PM »

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I think this is one of the worst Ideas I have seen on this blog in a long time.  He is a terrible defensive shortstop which is our teams biggest weakness.  You are also talking about trading away a proven pitcher, who is far better than SABATHIA, BTW.... a guy that has won in the playoffs and already produced us a ring, and then you wanna trade more prospects?  regardless of the fact that one of our top five prospects is a shortstop and we are currently paying Lowrie and Green next to nothing to play the position..   This just makes no sense.

Casey Kelly is not going to stay at SS, he will most certainly be a pitcher if and when he makes it to the majors. He has been dominant as a pitcher so unless he comes out and hits .400 as a SS after he reaches his limit the Sox are gonna make him a pitcher full time.

Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches, he deserved it for the regular season.

What are you basing this on? Have you talked to Casey? I see no indication that this is the case. 

I think its pretty simple, the Red Sox clearly like him more as a pitcher, they pay him so he will do what they say. If he keeps pitching like this they are going to make sure he puts all of his effort into pitching, so unless he comes out and sets the world on fire when he palys SS in a month or so i think its pretty clear he will be a full time pitcher next year.

He is having an impressive season pitching in A ball this year.  But he already started struggling when facing better hitters, look at the numbers.  According to the scouting report he doesnt have anything overpowering pitching wise.  He will be a shortstop, its obvious.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »

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I am completely shocked that Ramirez is a poor shortstop, and that all of the talk about him therefore has only to do with his bat.

I thought he was being described as a star in all aspects of the game?!!  Pedroia's comment that he can "take over a game in so many ways", etc....

Shocked to hear that this is not true and that he has any negatives at all.

Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 02:14:50 PM »

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I think this is one of the worst Ideas I have seen on this blog in a long time.  He is a terrible defensive shortstop which is our teams biggest weakness.  You are also talking about trading away a proven pitcher, who is far better than SABATHIA, BTW.... a guy that has won in the playoffs and already produced us a ring, and then you wanna trade more prospects?  regardless of the fact that one of our top five prospects is a shortstop and we are currently paying Lowrie and Green next to nothing to play the position..   This just makes no sense.

Casey Kelly is not going to stay at SS, he will most certainly be a pitcher if and when he makes it to the majors. He has been dominant as a pitcher so unless he comes out and hits .400 as a SS after he reaches his limit the Sox are gonna make him a pitcher full time.

Also for people who said Beckett should of won the Cy Young over CC. CC had a lower ERA, More k's, less walks, and more innings pitches, he deserved it for the regular season.

What are you basing this on? Have you talked to Casey? I see no indication that this is the case. 

I think its pretty simple, the Red Sox clearly like him more as a pitcher, they pay him so he will do what they say. If he keeps pitching like this they are going to make sure he puts all of his effort into pitching, so unless he comes out and sets the world on fire when he palys SS in a month or so i think its pretty clear he will be a full time pitcher next year.

He is having an impressive season pitching in A ball this year.  But he already started struggling when facing better hitters, look at the numbers.  According to the scouting report he doesnt have anything overpowering pitching wise.  He will be a shortstop, its obvious.

I wouldnt call it struggling, as a 19 year old in high A his numbers are, 3.18 ERA, a .224 BAA, a higher K/IP rate than in low A, and a 19/1 K/BB rate, if that is struggling then i want to see what he'd do at the top of his game.

He doesnt have an overpowering fastball, but its 90-91 and he certainly projects to add 1-3 mph more to it, he also already has a devastating curve and a changeup that moves so much some scouts have thought it was a slider, so you can say he doesnt have an overpowering fastball, but he has VERY good stuff. He is never gonna be a bigtime strikeout guy because he keeps the ball down and gets alot of groundballs instead with his fastball which is the type of pitcher i like in Fenway.

I hope he does very good at SS, thats a very nice problem to have but i just think he stays at pitcher.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 02:16:25 PM »

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From what I've read, he doesn't project to be much better at either position, but you'd rather have him come up as a pitcher and if that falters you can have him go to shortstop, but it'll be much harder to do it the opposite way and start him at short and if he falters there go back to being a pitcher.
You should always develop hitting first. I guess they will see if he can be an impact bat at SS first, if his bat limits him from being a starter, then I think the pitching becomes primary. The reason is that hitting a baseball is the harder talent then throwing and requires more time to develop and pitching at a younger age can where out the arm faster.

Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 02:54:59 PM »

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I am completely shocked that Ramirez is a poor shortstop, and that all of the talk about him therefore has only to do with his bat.

I thought he was being described as a star in all aspects of the game?!!  Pedroia's comment that he can "take over a game in so many ways", etc....

Shocked to hear that this is not true and that he has any negatives at all.

Don't know why Pedroia said that, because he is a terrible defender.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2009, 03:02:38 PM »

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Terrible defensive shortstop.  No thanks.  Did you see him against the Red Sox?  Not a Fenway shortstop imo.  Seems like a dumb player.

why does he have to play short?

we have a glaring hole at DH available.

papi's batting .317 with 4 hr and 10 rbi in the last ten games.
we don't have  a big hole at DH, just a big guy.
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2009, 03:10:54 PM »

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I am completely shocked that Ramirez is a poor shortstop, and that all of the talk about him therefore has only to do with his bat.

I thought he was being described as a star in all aspects of the game?!!  Pedroia's comment that he can "take over a game in so many ways", etc....

Shocked to hear that this is not true and that he has any negatives at all.

Don't know why Pedroia said that, because he is a terrible defender.

His poor defense can take over a game and help the other team just as much as his offensive skills can help his team.....
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 03:13:26 PM »

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Terrible defensive shortstop.  No thanks.  Did you see him against the Red Sox?  Not a Fenway shortstop imo.  Seems like a dumb player.

why does he have to play short?

we have a glaring hole at DH available.

papi's batting .317 with 4 hr and 10 rbi in the last ten games.
we don't have  a big hole at DH, just a big guy.

right, 10 games easily makes up for the last year and a half, really 2 years of complete decline. I'm sure he'll continue to hit that well to.  8)
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Re: I want Hanley Ramirez
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2009, 03:30:25 PM »

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Why so much pitching?