Assuming the C's get a quality Big

[Redz]

I want some Gortat in green.

I like the idea, I just think he's gonna get overpaid

Show me the GORT!

[cordobes]

At this point, I doubt we have any chance of getting Gortat. We should attempt to sign the new Gortat.

[Brendan]

Are you guys reading Darko's five year old scouting report, or have you actually watched this stiff play? He sucks.
And McDeyss is old and chose to go to a non-contender when he had his chance to come here.
There are guys like Mikki Moore available for reasonable money because they're just not that good. I really hope that Perk can stay healthy, in which case either Baby or Leon can fill in short-term.
Anyway, with the salary cap, it's not possible to have a great team AND have many really good backups. The C's as constituted still have the best team in the league if KG comes back healthy.

I think you are missing the point. Once you fill up your top 5 or 6 - you need roll players who can do one or two things well. Eddie House is no complete player, but he can shoot. Darko is a big body that blocks shots and rebounds, and is passible on offense (his PER and Perk's are about even, his is more up and down, and Perk's is trending up so I'd say Perk will be better next year, but they were even this year with Darko having a sligh edge.)

Assuming we add a third big to play behind Perk and KG, we'll still have injury concerns and need a guy who can fill Perk's roll in the lineup if an injury happens.

Big men with any market don't sign for the MLE very often - so I think its unlikely we'll get Gortat (who probably has high value now.)

[RebusRankin]

I like this trade.

I do like Gortat better though. He may be available as Orlando has Hedo as a FA among others. Also teams may not be spending as much due to the economy and the Lebron sweepstakes.

[Eeyore III]

I think Darko fits in well with Memphis, and that they'll re-sign him for realistic money.

[greg683x]

So in this scenario we're gonna use our MLE to sign Sheed or McDyess, then trade our expiring for Darko.  We're not gonna address the back up SF?  Back up PG?  I dont think we should be using all our available resources to fill only one hole.  Think about the minutes KG and Perk would play, then McDyess would play.....Darko would be buried.  We could have used the assets we used to aquire Darko to get a back up SF that could very well end up being first off the bench, as opposed to Darko who would be a 4th or 5th option.

If we hadnt have already addressed a back up big man with the MLE in your scenario, I think thats a pretty good trade idea you have.  I just think it should be one or the other.

Darko is not a banger and doesn't play defense.  I think we need someone more in the PJ Brown mold - length, clogs the paint, rebounds, is a physical presence and would be an added bonus if he can hit the open 15 footer.

This is why I'm not completely sold on Wallace or McDyess.  Both sort of qualify, but I think Wallace is a head case and I'm not too high on McDyess' defense.

McDyess isnt a bad defender, hes not a one on one lock down defender, but hes made a pretty good name for himself as a team defender in Detriot.  After the whole Mikki Moore disaster this season we should focus on guys we know are smart enough to play in a good defensive system.

[CoachBo]

The money should be spent elsewhere.  The C's can't afford to be paying a 4th or 5th big man that much money, when they have several other holes to fill. 

The difference is its not 7 mill incremental - its more like half that in marginal cost. Your removing the salaries (sunk costs) for Tony Allen and Scal. And beyond that - I don't think the C's are worried about single year payroll as much as long term (they would have paid Posey for three years, just not 5, they paid money to buy a draft pick, etc.)

Unless there is another (reasonable) trade possibility for Scal and Tony Allen - but I don't think you'll get much more value for those guys. I'm willing to listen. And backup Center (even if he's not first big man off the bench) is still important spot, and for all the Darko hate, he's not a bad backup. Consider the backup centers we've had, basically no one who could see the court, except PFs playing out of position.

Gotta side with Chris on this one. We MUST have a quality backup 3 to go into next season and I'm not down with spending all our resources collecting bigs.

[Chris]

The money should be spent elsewhere.  The C's can't afford to be paying a 4th or 5th big man that much money, when they have several other holes to fill. 

The difference is its not 7 mill incremental - its more like half that in marginal cost. Your removing the salaries (sunk costs) for Tony Allen and Scal. And beyond that - I don't think the C's are worried about single year payroll as much as long term (they would have paid Posey for three years, just not 5, they paid money to buy a draft pick, etc.)

Unless there is another (reasonable) trade possibility for Scal and Tony Allen - but I don't think you'll get much more value for those guys. I'm willing to listen. And backup Center (even if he's not first big man off the bench) is still important spot, and for all the Darko hate, he's not a bad backup. Consider the backup centers we've had, basically no one who could see the court, except PFs playing out of position.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  My issue wasn't as much about the money, but the assets we would be using to get him.  We only have a limited amount of assets this summer.  We have the MLE, LLE, those expiring contracts, Big Baby in a sign and trade, and vet minimum contracts to offer. 

If we use the MLE to sign a big man, that leaves us with just just the trade pieces, the LLE, and vet minimum contracts in order to sign a backup PG (assuming Marbury is gone), at least one backup wing, and another back up big man (or keep Davis).  At that point, our best asset will be those expiring contracts, and possibly Davis.  If we have already signed a big man with the MLE, then that extra big man would be much further down the list of needs behind backup wing (HUGE need), and backup PG. 

So instead of using our best remaining assets to fill the lesser need, they should be working hard to use it to fill one of the bigger needs, because it will be tough if they are stuck with trying to fill those needs with the LLE and vet minimum.  We might end up in the same position we were in last year, with Pierce and Allen being forced to play way too many minutes, and House being forced to play out of position.

I will add though, that if they cannot sign Sheed, McDyess, or Zaza, this trade would be decent, if they were bringing in Darko as a primary backup big man.  But you simply cannot be using assets like that on a guy who wouldn't even be in the playoff rotation if things go as planned (which Darko would not be, if the C's already had Perk, KG, and Sheed).

[Mr October]

I want some Gortat in green.

TP for IP and Who for identifying Gortat as a quality target before the Orlando series. I had no idea who he was. He's still quite raw. But I'd be very happy with him and Baby covering the 3rd and 4th big positions.

[Mr October]

Via the MLE, LLE, or vet min (let's say McDyess or Rasheed) - how about this trade to add some depth at the center spot.

It would save Memphis a million or so, more if Scal or Tony took a buyout (or they don't pickup Pruitt's contract.) And Darko could be useful for extra size off the bench. Since he'd be the fourth or fifth big man, and his roll would be just to bang with a guy like Howard or Shaq, or put a hand up on Big Z or Yao, I think he'd fill that roll okay. They could resign Powe as the depth at PF - and that would give more minutes early to see how good he can be. A 13 PER isn't great, but its okay from your 10th or 11th guy off the bench. At 23 and with a most comparable at age to Jermaine O'Neal - I think he still could be a late bloomer.

Anyways this is just a tactical move to fill out the roster more efficiently, not a big strategic change.

I'd make that trade in a heart beat. Darko brings more to the table than Scal. (And TA and Gabe don't play)

I doubt MEM goes for it... for just the above reason.

[BASS_THUMPER]

please leave scal out of this

i got what i expected and more from scal and less than i expected from ray and pierce

scal does HIS job~

[Brendan]

I just don't see Scal and TA bringing back any wing. The guys suggested have contracts ownership/Danny won't touch or are too good. I'm thinking LLE or Vet Min for Grant Hill.

[nickagneta]

I agree with Brendan. If we address the big man with the MLE and can get Hill for the LLE then I have no problem with trading Scal and Tony for Darko, resigning Powe and using a vet min contract on a vet PG backup. Then we either let Baby walk, resign him or sign and trade him, whatever management wants to do and whatever they can afford.

Rondo/Vet min/Pruitt
Ray/House/Giddens
Pierce/Hill/Walker
KG/MLE Big Man/Powe
Perk/Darko/Baby or Nobody or Maybe a player in a sign and trade for Baby that fills another need or opening

I'm down with that roster winning Banner 18.

[cordobes]

Darko is trying to find a way of returning to Europe in the next season already.

[Chris]

I just don't see Scal and TA bringing back any wing. The guys suggested have contracts ownership/Danny won't touch or are too good. I'm thinking LLE or Vet Min for Grant Hill.

If they are not going to bring back a wing, then they are not bringing back a big man with an expiring contract either.