(Gulp) Ray Allen Trade Ideas

[the_Bird]

I've said this a couple times, but the team that jumps out at me is Detroit.

Rumors being posted on the Detroit newspapers that they were thinking of going hard after Ben Gordon.  Well, where does that leave Rip and Tayshaun?  Rip just signed an extension that he may be regretting (you know he was p---ed when they traded Chauncey, then when they asked him to come off the bench behind AI).  If they ARE going after Gordon, they aren't going to pay and play Gordon, Stuckey, Prince, and Hamilton.  Now, sending Ray Allen their way doesn't do anything to alleviate the potential guard glut, but there might be a three-way somehow in the works.  I personally think they should be hoping that Boozer opts out and go after him, but who knows?

[Quinn]

I'm a huge fan of Amare.
He's injury prone however, and he probably wouldn't like coming off the bench.
If we could do the trade of Allen and anyone (Pruit, Scal, Tony) for Amare/Leandro then I would be all for it.

[D Dub]

Trade Ray threads suck.

He's one of the greatest shooters of all time.  I'd keep him until he was 50 just to spread the floor for Rondo. 

[QuinielaBox]

I like the Phoenix deal the best. Adding Amare and Barbosa to the mix makes us the strongest team in the NBA. Only problem is Amare's eye injury. Will he be OK?

Barbosa is a tremendous player.

Everytime we make a major deal with Phoenix it results in an instant championship.
(1975 Paul Westfall for Charlie Scott 1976 championship).
(1983 Rick Robey for DJ 1984 and 1986 championships).
(2006 Purchase of the 21st pick for Rajon Rondo - 2008 CHampionships).

I also like the Dallas deal for Jason Terry and Josh Howard.

I wonder if we can engineer that deal with the Bulls. This seems like a risk. Can we afford Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby? I think the Bulls will look for help elsewhere.

Don't care for the Nets deal at all. Say no to Zachary Randolph. He makes Mark Blount look like a saint.

Good thoughts here. Recommend bumping this thread.

[Fan from VT]

I'm a huge fan of Amare.
He's injury prone however, and he probably wouldn't like coming off the bench.
If we could do the trade of Allen and anyone (Pruit, Scal, Tony) for Amare/Leandro then I would be all for it.

I was picturing Perk off the bench with Amare at center.

[xmuscularghandix]

Amare sucks.

[nickagneta]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

[Who]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

[nickagneta]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

Just have to match salary and Nocioni definitely fills the need as a back up wing and Sacramento is said to be in dire financial straights. Thinking was maybe they want to get out from under two long term expensive contracts for a guy that could give them what Martin gave them but also expired $20 million off their payroll while getting them a cheap late round future first round pick.

[BASS_THUMPER]

no i say one more year with the BIG 3

~jus once..can we figure out what we keep doin wrong...why we never last for very long...what are we doin wrong~



jame ingram

[Who]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

Just have to match salary and Nocioni definitely fills the need as a back up wing and Sacramento is said to be in dire financial straights. Thinking was maybe they want to get out from under two long term expensive contracts for a guy that could give them what Martin gave them but also expired $20 million off their payroll while getting them a cheap late round future first round pick.

I think Sacramento could get far enough below the cap to make it work with less salary. Maybe not Ray-for-Martin straight, but a smaller makeweight contract than Noce. I think they have about $50mil on the books if they let McCants+Diogu go free.

I don't like the idea of Nocioni, too much money on too little of a contribution, and more importantly by the time you pay him after paying the C's starting five ... you can't sign anyone else at MLE type money. Bring in Nocioni and you'll limit what other bench players you can sign both this offseason (because he's a long term contract) and in the future.

Oh Kenny Thomas, give me Kenny Thomas. He's an expiring deal. I'll be happy with that.

[nickagneta]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

Just have to match salary and Nocioni definitely fills the need as a back up wing and Sacramento is said to be in dire financial straights. Thinking was maybe they want to get out from under two long term expensive contracts for a guy that could give them what Martin gave them but also expired $20 million off their payroll while getting them a cheap late round future first round pick.

I think Sacramento could get far enough below the cap to make it work with less salary. Maybe not Ray-for-Martin straight, but a smaller makeweight contract than Noce. I think they have about $50mil on the books if they let McCants+Diogu go free.

I don't like the idea of Nocioni, too much money on too little of a contribution, and more importantly by the time you pay him after paying the C's starting five ... you can't sign anyone else at MLE type money. Bring in Nocioni and you'll limit what other bench players you can sign both this offseason (because he's a long term contract) and in the future.

Oh Kenny Thomas, give me Kenny Thomas. He's an expiring deal. I'll be happy with that.

Then that might work beause from what I hear Sacramento would love to dump Thomas' salary on someone.

Now I understand how Noc's and Martin's contracts make it tough to sign people in later years but how does that impede Danny using the MLE this year? Ray's on the books already for $20 million and your just swapping salary and filling a roster need in backup SF. The MLE would still be available to split between a big(Nesterovic) and a decent backup PG(Marbury, Anthony Johnson if he opts out).

Also the trade solves long term problem of maybe extending a championship window by adding what I think could be a future superstar in Martin.

[Who]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

Just have to match salary and Nocioni definitely fills the need as a back up wing and Sacramento is said to be in dire financial straights. Thinking was maybe they want to get out from under two long term expensive contracts for a guy that could give them what Martin gave them but also expired $20 million off their payroll while getting them a cheap late round future first round pick.

I think Sacramento could get far enough below the cap to make it work with less salary. Maybe not Ray-for-Martin straight, but a smaller makeweight contract than Noce. I think they have about $50mil on the books if they let McCants+Diogu go free.

I don't like the idea of Nocioni, too much money on too little of a contribution, and more importantly by the time you pay him after paying the C's starting five ... you can't sign anyone else at MLE type money. Bring in Nocioni and you'll limit what other bench players you can sign both this offseason (because he's a long term contract) and in the future.

Oh Kenny Thomas, give me Kenny Thomas. He's an expiring deal. I'll be happy with that.

Then that might work beause from what I hear Sacramento would love to dump Thomas' salary on someone.

Now I understand how Noc's and Martin's contracts make it tough to sign people in later years but how does that impede Danny using the MLE this year? Ray's on the books already for $20 million and your just swapping salary and filling a roster need in backup SF. The MLE would still be available to split between a big(Nesterovic) and a decent backup PG(Marbury, Anthony Johnson if he opts out).

Also the trade solves long term problem of maybe extending a championship window by adding what I think could be a future superstar in Martin.

I think they need to cut Ray's salary after 2010 in order to create necessary flexibility.

Rough addition on 2010/11 salaries -- KG and Pierce equal $40mil. Another $20mil for Ray, or Martin + Noce, $10mil for Rondo, $5mil for Perk -- that's $75mil on only six players. By the time you add a couple more bodies, you'll be up near $80mil. That's without signing any other bench player to an MLE like contract.

Now if you spend the MLE this offseason you'll be adding another $5mil to the mix there.

Of course, if it was only a one year contract, then there's no change .... but that means you can't offer multi-year deals this offseason.

I'd rather have the expiring contract and then be able to sign a superior player (to Noce) who can be here for 2-3 years .... as against having Nocioni.

[dlpin]

I think they need to cut Ray's salary after 2010 in order to create necessary flexibility.

Rough addition on 2010/11 salaries -- KG and Pierce equal $40mil. Another $20mil for Ray, or Martin + Noce, $10mil for Rondo, $5mil for Perk -- that's $75mil on only six players. By the time you add a couple more bodies, you'll be up near $80mil. That's without signing any other bench player to an MLE like contract.

Now if you spend the MLE this offseason you'll be adding another $5mil to the mix there.

Of course, if it was only a one year contract, then there's no change .... but that means you can't offer multi-year deals this offseason.

I'd rather have the expiring contract and then be able to sign a superior player (to Noce) who can be here for 2-3 years .... as against having Nocioni.

I don't understand your point here. Ray's deal expires in 2010, so Ray's salary will be cut after 2010, either because we just let him walk, or because we resigned him at much less than his current salary. He won't be getting another 18 mill a year deal.

[nickagneta]

How about Ray Allen and a first rounder to Sacramento for Andres Nocioni, Kevin Martin, Ike Diogu(perhaps in a sign and trade)

I'd trade Ray and a first round pick for Martin. Not a fan of the rest of the package.

Just have to match salary and Nocioni definitely fills the need as a back up wing and Sacramento is said to be in dire financial straights. Thinking was maybe they want to get out from under two long term expensive contracts for a guy that could give them what Martin gave them but also expired $20 million off their payroll while getting them a cheap late round future first round pick.

I think Sacramento could get far enough below the cap to make it work with less salary. Maybe not Ray-for-Martin straight, but a smaller makeweight contract than Noce. I think they have about $50mil on the books if they let McCants+Diogu go free.

I don't like the idea of Nocioni, too much money on too little of a contribution, and more importantly by the time you pay him after paying the C's starting five ... you can't sign anyone else at MLE type money. Bring in Nocioni and you'll limit what other bench players you can sign both this offseason (because he's a long term contract) and in the future.

Oh Kenny Thomas, give me Kenny Thomas. He's an expiring deal. I'll be happy with that.

Then that might work beause from what I hear Sacramento would love to dump Thomas' salary on someone.

Now I understand how Noc's and Martin's contracts make it tough to sign people in later years but how does that impede Danny using the MLE this year? Ray's on the books already for $20 million and your just swapping salary and filling a roster need in backup SF. The MLE would still be available to split between a big(Nesterovic) and a decent backup PG(Marbury, Anthony Johnson if he opts out).

Also the trade solves long term problem of maybe extending a championship window by adding what I think could be a future superstar in Martin.

I think they need to cut Ray's salary after 2010 in order to create necessary flexibility.

Rough addition on 2010/11 salaries -- KG and Pierce equal $40mil. Another $20mil for Ray, or Martin + Noce, $10mil for Rondo, $5mil for Perk -- that's $75mil on only six players. By the time you add a couple more bodies, you'll be up near $80mil. That's without signing any other bench player to an MLE like contract.

Now if you spend the MLE this offseason you'll be adding another $5mil to the mix there.

Of course, if it was only a one year contract, then there's no change .... but that means you can't offer multi-year deals this offseason.

I'd rather have the expiring contract and then be able to sign a superior player (to Noce) who can be here for 2-3 years .... as against having Nocioni.

Then make it Thomas in that trade. Either way, I'd love to be able to add Martin as a long term piece of the puzzle moving forward as Rondo, Martin and Perk is an excellent young combo moving forward beyond the Big Three years.