Why no discussion about Villanueva?

[Michael Anthony]

He is a 6'11", 24 year old power forward who averaged 16 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes per game last season. He would form a great bigman rotation with KG and Perkins, can space the floor, and can probably play some spot minutes behind Pierce. He has size, skills and numbers similar to Rasheed, without the baggage (and to be fair, without some of the toughness).

People have questioned his heart and defense over the years, but his charritable work leads me to believe the heart is there. The defense will come under Tom T and Kevin Garnett, just like it did for Ray.

Five years at the full MLE puts us in a very good position next season, and gives us a long term solution at power forward when KG retires.

[Roy Hobbs]

The problem is that he's a restricted free agent, meaning Milwaukee has the right to match.  Not only that, but the only thing we can offer is the MLE, which I don't think would get it done.

[winsomme]

He is a 6'11", 24 year old power forward who averaged 16 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes per game last season. He would form a great bigman rotation with KG and Perkins, can space the floor, and can probably play some spot minutes behind Pierce. He has size, skills and numbers similar to Rasheed, without the baggage (and to be fair, without some of the toughness).

People have questioned his heart and defense over the years, but his charritable work leads me to believe the heart is there. The defense will come under Tom T and Kevin Garnett, just like it did for Ray.

Five years at the full MLE puts us in a very good position next season, and gives us a long term solution at power forward when KG retires.

I would think that V is looking for a starting job for more money than the MLE. That's just my guess.

he's still young enough that he's probably not thinking about going to the place that gives him the best chance at a Title.

now, what kind of offers he will get....not sure.

[winsomme]

The problem is that he's a restricted free agent, meaning Milwaukee has the right to match.  Not only that, but the only thing we can offer is the MLE, which I don't think would get it done.

I could see him doing something similar to Varejao....holding out and then taking a one year deal with MIL...

that would make him an unrestricted FA next season, right? then MIL could try and trade him during the season if they can't get something long term set up....

or Ben Gordon, for that matter...

[Michael Anthony]

The Bucks are on the hook for close to $64 million next season, before they resign Ramon Sessions. On top of that, they had a lot of success with Mbah a Moute at the four last season and the have 2008 first rounder Joe Alexander vying for time there. Finally, 2009 draft picks will cost them close to $3 million.

Between existing payroll, Sessions and the 2009 draft picks they will be well into the tax next season at approx $73 million.

I just do not see them adding another $6 million contract plus $6 million in taxes back onto that roster.

[Fafnir]

The Bucks are on the hook for close to $64 million next season, before they resign Ramon Sessions. On top of that, they had a lot of success with Mbah a Moute at the four last season and the have 2008 first rounder Joe Alexander vying for time there. Finally, 2009 draft picks will cost them close to $3 million.

Between existing payroll, Sessions and the 2009 draft picks they will be well into the tax next season at approx $73 million.

I just do not see them adding another $6 million contract plus $6 million in taxes back onto that roster.

I agree they might try to move him but we don't have the matching contracts, nor the assets for us to trade him. Charlie himself won't sign an offer sheet for just the MLE imo.

Besides I don't like his game. He's soft for his size, doesn't rebound all that well, and either turns it over or takes bad shots too often.

He's kind of like Antoine in some ways.

[Who]

I think Charlie V is looking at the MLE, and that the Bucks are unlikely to match. If the C's were interested in him, he'd very much be in play.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

He is a 6'11", 24 year old power forward who averaged 16 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes per game last season. He would form a great bigman rotation with KG and Perkins, can space the floor, and can probably play some spot minutes behind Pierce. He has size, skills and numbers similar to Rasheed, without the baggage (and to be fair, without some of the toughness).

People have questioned his heart and defense over the years, but his charritable work leads me to believe the heart is there. The defense will come under Tom T and Kevin Garnett, just like it did for Ray.

Five years at the full MLE puts us in a very good position next season, and gives us a long term solution at power forward when KG retires.

I love it. I've been a big fan of Charlie's from UCONN to when the Raps signed him. The man can score, rebound, and pass. I agree that the defense will come. I think he just needs to be surrounded by tough guys who are hungry as opposed to soft guys who just want to get paid.

[papa shuttlesworth]

I agree.  He has the skills and has shown improved maturity in the past season or so.  Playing with the Celtics would show him the "right way" to play.  He'd be a great first big off the bench and/or spot starter.

[Fafnir]

He is a 6'11", 24 year old power forward who averaged 16 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes per game last season. He would form a great bigman rotation with KG and Perkins, can space the floor, and can probably play some spot minutes behind Pierce. He has size, skills and numbers similar to Rasheed, without the baggage (and to be fair, without some of the toughness).

People have questioned his heart and defense over the years, but his charritable work leads me to believe the heart is there. The defense will come under Tom T and Kevin Garnett, just like it did for Ray.

Five years at the full MLE puts us in a very good position next season, and gives us a long term solution at power forward when KG retires.

I love it. I've been a big fan of Charlie's from UCONN to when the Raps signed him. The man can score, rebound, and pass. I agree that the defense will come. I think he just needs to be surrounded by tough guys who are hungry as opposed to soft guys who just want to get paid.

He shoots 45% from the field. He shoots 32% from three, but takes 3 per game. His rebound rate is nothing special either, though much better than BBDs. No thanks, not unless he takes around 3 million per year.

[youngRondo14]

I would take him...no dought....I think he could be one of those young players who we convince to come here...to really start his career off better....we could explain..if he comes here...he will be more solid...defensive...all dat....its a chance to have a title run....and if he embrace..wat we do...and he developes...he will have his chance to earn more money..maybe from us..or if another team wants him....if I were a young player...inda nba...and a championship caliber team wants me...ill go....cause ur gonna be worth some cash if u do well....

[cordobes]

The problem is that he's a restricted free agent, meaning Milwaukee has the right to match.  Not only that, but the only thing we can offer is the MLE, which I don't think would get it done.

Are you sure the Buck are going to exercise the qualifying offer? I wouldn't be, at least until they make a bold move to clear salary.

Villanueva is a player I don't want in the Celtics, except if he comes dirty cheap.

[Who]

I'd be happy enough with Charlie V, but I wouldn't deem him a first option signing.

Villanueva isn't the ideal type of role player -- His defense is poor, he's inconsistent, mediocre efficiency offensively, and he needs the ball in order to be effective. His rebounding is solid.

I prefer more defense, more reliability (consistency), better decision making, less need for the ball in their hands, more efficient scoring. That type of stuff.

Still, he'd be an interesting player to add to the equation. Not a first choice, but a solid choice all the same.

[Roy Hobbs]

The problem is that he's a restricted free agent, meaning Milwaukee has the right to match.  Not only that, but the only thing we can offer is the MLE, which I don't think would get it done.

Are you sure the Buck are going to exercise the qualifying offer? I wouldn't be, at least until they make a bold move to clear salary.

Villanueva is a player I don't want in the Celtics, except if he comes dirty cheap.

The qualifying offer is $4.3 million.  I've got to think that the Bucks value him at that amount.  From what I've read, signing him is a priority, so I can't imagine them refusing to give a sub-MLE deal to him.

[DeJerrod Ferguson]

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