Author Topic: Whos to Blame? (Read 8153 times)

Csallday · « **on:** May 18, 2009, 01:56:12 AM »

Would it be legitimate to say that management/coaching cost us a title defense?
It started in the offseason, when ?'s were raised about our bench. Not resigning Pose was big, but I feel he could have been replaced. We passed up on other free agents, like Pietrus (who came back to bite us) and Matt Barnes. The only people we ended up signing were Steph and MIkki (who didnt play.)and if you want to count Cassel? When it came time for the draft, we chose 2 players that never got PT, so it's not fair to judge them yet...although we did pass up on players like Mario Chalmers, Courtney Lee, Deandre Jordan, and CDR, all who could have helped our bench this year. Regardless, we played the year with a thin (and undersized) bench, and getting off to a great start in the season, which made people start to forget about the offseason. But the season wore on, and the minutes for piling up for our starters, especially Ray and PP. I'm sure Doc knows more about the team than I do, but I felt he still could have played whatever we had on our bench, and developed them...it would have been better than nothing. Walker and Moore are high energy guys that could have helped us, JR looks like he has some talent. Our overall roster dosen't look bad, but we had an incosistent bench nonetheless, and it showed in the playoffs. THe team just looked tired tonight, and Orlando came out with more hunger and energy. If we had a deeper team, we could have definitley beat Orlando (think of Pietrus and Lee on our side)...then we could have seen what happened with CLE, especially if KG ended up coming back. THe seasons over, lets just hope for a more productive offseason this time around, also so that DOC might have some confidence in new guys on our bench.

guava_wrench · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2009, 02:04:51 AM »

It's obvious that this isn't a situation where blame makes sense. The problem was KG's knee. Blaming anything else is a waste of energy.

You can't build a team to overcome the loss of all players on it. There will be players that you can't afford to lose. Imagine LA without Kobe, Clev without Lebron, Den without Billups, Orl without howard, Hou without Yao. Those teams might win some games, but they can't win it all.

Luck is part of winning a championship, particularly when we are talking about health. If Bynum hadn't been injured, who knows who wins last year. But hypotheticals are a waste of time.

With KG getting injured, we ended up fortunate for not committing more money that would have been wasted with his loss. The TA and Moore moves ended up pointless and a waste of money, but they fortunately aren't major commitments.

star18 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2009, 02:10:03 AM »

All I know is we have to trade about 5 of our guys to get back in the title hunt. We can't be going with these guys on the bench who nobody wants to play. We have to get some big names in here again.

kheeko · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:22:40 AM »

1. KG's injury

2. Nothing from our bench

greenwise · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:22:41 AM »

Quote from: kheeko on May 18, 2009, 03:22:40 AM

1. KG's injury

2. Nothing from our bench

Exactly, TP

LB3533 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:45:01 AM »

I think you'd have to put strong focus on Danny Ainge and his inability to fill out this roster.

I think Danny and the rest of the Celtics brass pinned too much hope on other players wanting to play for us on the cheap. When those players didn't come a knocking, we settled for inferior end of the bench guys.

I am not blaming Moore or Starbury, those guys aren't responsible. They are what they are.

Injuries are also the a big factor and took its toll on us throughout the regular season and the 7 game series with the Bulls.

If one can stand back and think about our playoffs this year, had we been healthy there wouldn't have been an epic 1st round battle, we would probably have won with ease against the Bulls and then won with ease against the Magic.

Had we been healthy, our true test would have been in the ECF and then in the Finals.

But it wasn't meant to be. It didn't play out that way and we are going home preparing for 2010.

celticmaestro · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:56:59 AM »

Not who, but what. And that what is injuries.

botolph46 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:32:22 AM »

Blame is strictly on KG's knee. It wasn't the bench or that ownership was cheap. Here's the bench at the beginning of the season: Leon, BBD, House and Scal. No one is going to play more than 8 deep on a regular basis and we had 9. How much did those guys play? Lots and lots of minutes and made significant contributions. The bench would have been fine except for injuries and you can never account for that. How does any team replace a KG?

If I were in Danny's shoes I would try to bring back the same nucleus. Mikki, TA and Gabe can go, but I would try to bring back everyone else including Steph. With a healthy KG and Leon coming off the bench, we'll be fine.

2short · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:50:25 AM »

Quote from: botolph46 on May 18, 2009, 06:32:22 AM

Blame is strictly on KG's knee. It wasn't the bench or that ownership was cheap. Here's the bench at the beginning of the season: Leon, BBD, House and Scal. No one is going to play more than 8 deep on a regular basis and we had 9. How much did those guys play? Lots and lots of minutes and made significant contributions. The bench would have been fine except for injuries and you can never account for that. How does any team replace a KG?

If I were in Danny's shoes I would try to bring back the same nucleus. Mikki, TA and Gabe can go, but I would try to bring back everyone else including Steph. With a healthy KG and Leon coming off the bench, we'll be fine.

yes except pruitt and mikki if cheap can stay
we had the best team for most of the year playing an insane schedule, the injuries at the end of the season were what undid the team, pp and ray played too many minutes at that point, those 2 and rondo appeared to be playing with injuries at end of season
no one is to blame, great season

nickagneta · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:56:12 AM »

I think it's the deli guy's fault. If he didn't serve such good deli meat, Danny wouldn't have been waiting in line to order his share and he would have been at work signing better players.

All that deli meat might explain the heart attack too!!

FLCeltsFan · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:40:17 AM »

No blame. I think if KG was healthy we still could have won it. It was just bad luck. The bench was inconsistent but I think we could have won it if not for the injuries.

I'm not ready to blame Danny because I know it is hard to fill out a roster when you have 3 max players on your team. Could he have made better choices? Yes. I'd much rather have the Birdman than O'Bryant, but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes that influenced his decision on that. I think he has done a good job and now has to do some work this off season to bring #18 back next June.

No blame. I'm proud of this team and what they accomplished this season in the face of some big obstacles that would have totally derailed most teams.

xmuscularghandix · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:46:55 AM »

KG's knee, that's it.

CoachBo · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:51:22 AM »

Quote from: LB3533 on May 18, 2009, 05:45:01 AM

I think you'd have to put strong focus on Danny Ainge and his inability to fill out this roster.

I think Danny and the rest of the Celtics brass pinned too much hope on other players wanting to play for us on the cheap. When those players didn't come a knocking, we settled for inferior end of the bench guys.

I am not blaming Moore or Starbury, those guys aren't responsible. They are what they are.

Injuries are also the a big factor and took its toll on us throughout the regular season and the 7 game series with the Bulls.

If one can stand back and think about our playoffs this year, had we been healthy there wouldn't have been an epic 1st round battle, we would probably have won with ease against the Bulls and then won with ease against the Magic.

Had we been healthy, our true test would have been in the ECF and then in the Finals.

But it wasn't meant to be. It didn't play out that way and we are going home preparing for 2010.

1. Garnett's knee.

1a. Grousbeck was never committed financially to making another title run. As a result, Ainge made a blizzard of personnel mistakes, the most glaring being the decision that we didn't need a 3 behind Pierce. Others including signing: O'Bryant, Miles, Moore, Marbury while passing on players like Pietrus, Barnes, Roger Mason, et al. Ainge had a TERRIBLE off-season, and we paid the price for it with an early exit from the playoffs with no depth.

crownsy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:52:19 AM »

mostly KG and leons knee's, with a tip of the hat to danny not filling out our bench needs. (no backup SF, useless back up center in mikki forcing baby to try to play it)

indeedproceed · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:10:26 AM »

I don't think there is a need to blame anyone. I guess I'd blame Danny for not giving us another low post presense but I don't think thats the reason we lost this series.

I think we were physically tired, understaffed, and mentally unsure of our selves. More than anything I'd say lets learn from it and just move on.

May our offseason be busy (in the best way), and our stringers be full and heavy.

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