Author Topic: What is Baby's Pricetag ?  (Read 9938 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2009, 03:16:41 PM »

Offline cdif911

  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4868
  • Tommy Points: 43
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

he's not supposed to guard perimiter players though, he's doing that because we don't have some key personnel - and guess what, the c's are up 3-2
When you love life, life loves you right back


Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 03:21:42 PM »

Offline JSD

  • NCE
  • Frank Ramsey
  • ************
  • Posts: 12590
  • Tommy Points: 2159
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

he's not supposed to guard perimiter players though, he's doing that because we don't have some key personnel - and guess what, the c's are up 3-2

Well that and Orlando has a 4 that plays more like a 3.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2009, 03:22:03 PM »

Offline BballTim

  • Dave Cowens
  • ***********************
  • Posts: 23724
  • Tommy Points: 1123
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

  6 boards a game as a full-time starter isn't average.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2009, 03:22:29 PM »

Offline KG Living Legend

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8692
  • Tommy Points: 1140
 3 Years, at 12 Million Dollars. This way everybody is happy.

 Baby gets to stay with the Team that Made him good. And a 400% pay raise will feed him and his family well until his next contract. If he keeps improving he will get 35 to 50 million next.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2009, 03:25:23 PM »

Offline indeedproceed

  • In The Rafters
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 42585
  • Tommy Points: 2756
  • You ain't the boss of the freakin' bedclothes.
3 Years, at 12 Million Dollars. This way everybody is happy.

 Baby gets to stay with the Team that Made him good. And a 400% pay raise will feed him and his family well until his next contract. If he keeps improving he will get 35 to 50 million next.

I find it unlikely that a guy who averaged almost 17 points and 6 boards during a deep playoff run as a second year starter is gonna take a pay cut for anyone. The thing Im scared of for him is that he goes somewhere then realizes he had lightening in a bottle..then lost it.

"You've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy
like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2009, 03:30:43 PM »

Offline JSD

  • NCE
  • Frank Ramsey
  • ************
  • Posts: 12590
  • Tommy Points: 2159
Quote
6 boards a game as a full-time starter isn't average.

Being a an avg rebounder doesn't always translate into rebounds. Sometimes Baby puts his team in position to rebound by boxing out. Is Orlando Crushing Boston in the rebounding department with Baby on the floor? I don't have the numbers but would think not.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2009, 03:33:53 PM »

Offline BballTim

  • Dave Cowens
  • ***********************
  • Posts: 23724
  • Tommy Points: 1123
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

he's not supposed to guard perimiter players though, he's doing that because we don't have some key personnel - and guess what, the c's are up 3-2

  The point is, he has to play somewhere. If he's guarding perimeter-type power forwards he'll struggle. If he defends centers down low then not only does he give up a lot of height but he can't really defend the basket against driving players and he's not a good defensive rebounder.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2009, 03:34:16 PM »

Offline KG Living Legend

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8692
  • Tommy Points: 1140
 Baby needs good players around him to be the player we are seeing now. Don't forget we have Pierce and Allen spacing the Floor, One of the most Solid Centers in the Nba. And Super Rondo.

 Can anybody else really see Baby putting up numbers like this on the Clippers or Warriors or the Knicks? Baby the focus of an offense would be awful and fans would not want to see a 6"7" 320 pound guy that can't jump get the ball over and over.

 I think other Teams, Agents, Scouts would say the same thing.
He will only be really effective with the right fit.

 Does that mean some stupid team will pony up too much cash.
No. But it does mean that other dumb Gm's should read this thread.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2009, 03:34:26 PM »

Offline Who

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 53062
  • Tommy Points: 2574
I think his price tag is too high.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 03:35:19 PM »

Offline indeedproceed

  • In The Rafters
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 42585
  • Tommy Points: 2756
  • You ain't the boss of the freakin' bedclothes.
Quote
6 boards a game as a full-time starter isn't average.

Being a an avg rebounder doesn't always translate into rebounds. Sometimes Baby puts his team in position to rebound by boxing out. Is Orlando Crushing Boston in the rebounding department with Baby on the floor? I don't have the numbers but would think not.

That's true, and not really quantifiable. However, I have seen at least one Eddy Curry comparison (to only his 'anemic (I hate that word) rebounding numbers).

"You've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy
like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 03:36:38 PM »

Offline cdif911

  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4868
  • Tommy Points: 43
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

he's not supposed to guard perimiter players though, he's doing that because we don't have some key personnel - and guess what, the c's are up 3-2

  The point is, he has to play somewhere. If he's guarding perimeter-type power forwards he'll struggle. If he defends centers down low then not only does he give up a lot of height but he can't really defend the basket against driving players and he's not a good defensive rebounder.

true, and it goes both ways - perimiter 4's struggle to guard him with his inside out game and size
When you love life, life loves you right back


Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 03:38:25 PM »

Offline BballTim

  • Dave Cowens
  • ***********************
  • Posts: 23724
  • Tommy Points: 1123
Quote
6 boards a game as a full-time starter isn't average.

Being a an avg rebounder doesn't always translate into rebounds. Sometimes Baby puts his team in position to rebound by boxing out. Is Orlando Crushing Boston in the rebounding department with Baby on the floor? I don't have the numbers but would think not.

  You can't always count on your point guard to get 10 boards a game. I'd guess we're getting outrebounded when Perk is on the bench. I agree he boxes out well, but he should still get more boards than a sf when he's frequently your backup center.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 03:41:23 PM »

Offline BballTim

  • Dave Cowens
  • ***********************
  • Posts: 23724
  • Tommy Points: 1123
When considering Ronny Turiaf, Ryan Gomes and Perk one could put Davis into the $4 - $6 million range. Something like 4 years $25 million.  

  You also have to consider the economy and shrinking salary caps. BBD has played great for us but he's undersized, a poor rebounder and can't guard perimeter players.

I would say average rebounder but would agree that he is a poor perimeter defender. I'm fairly convinced he will make at least an avg. of $4 million a year.

he's not supposed to guard perimiter players though, he's doing that because we don't have some key personnel - and guess what, the c's are up 3-2

  The point is, he has to play somewhere. If he's guarding perimeter-type power forwards he'll struggle. If he defends centers down low then not only does he give up a lot of height but he can't really defend the basket against driving players and he's not a good defensive rebounder.

true, and it goes both ways - perimiter 4's struggle to guard him with his inside out game and size

  He's shown more inside toughness the last few games but he's still a below-the-rim player and most of his shots come when he's not being covered.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2009, 03:42:57 PM »

Offline BballTim

  • Dave Cowens
  • ***********************
  • Posts: 23724
  • Tommy Points: 1123


  For all my criticizing, I think he's done a very good job for us and I'd like to see him back, I just don't think he's worth the MLE especially in this economy.

Re: What is Baby's Pricetag ?
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2009, 03:46:45 PM »

Offline JSD

  • NCE
  • Frank Ramsey
  • ************
  • Posts: 12590
  • Tommy Points: 2159


  For all my criticizing, I think he's done a very good job for us and I'd like to see him back, I just don't think he's worth the MLE especially in this economy.

Whether he's worth it and whether he gets it are two different things but a base salary of $4 million sounds good to me.