Thanks Doc! / Fire Doc, Period (merged)

[Bankshot]

I'm a Doc guy to the end but the decision to take Baby out at that time for Tony was a bad, bad decision. I don't think that decision cost the Celtics the game as the offense the players on the court played was awful with pitiful offensive flow and bad decision making.

As much as I don't like Tony Allen he played a great game and I do not blame him for this loss. Sticking the ball in his hands late in the game with 2 or less seconds left on the shot clock and him having to take the shot, is not his fault if he misses. It is everyone on the floors fault for running p1ss poor offense.

That said, this was easily the second best game I ever watched besides the 3OT game versus Phoenix.

I don't blame TA either.  But I do think that decision cost them the game.

[FireDocRivers]

I think you all know how I feel...

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I think you all know how I feel...

Is the membership Free? even if its a billion dollar count me in.

Just plain dumb. Why go away from whats working in Ray Allen & BBD. TA hasn't looked alright all series, maybe due to death threats. And how about the game winning shots being drawn up for pierce & Rondo while we have Ray with 51 points.

When will he ever trust Ray for game winning shots instead of those game saving 3s. Ray is 10x clutch this season & this series

[Greeny]

Doc should be blamed, just as Vinny should be for Game 5.
TA should ride the pine. He has nothing to give but fouls.

Doc then put in TA who did nothing, and then BB had to foul after the momentum shifted.

Rondos free throw misses didn't help either, but no excuse.
Doc loves TA for some stupid reasons I/we can't fathom!

[houlana]

i put this loss on doc, never mind the OT.
 TA should not have been in the game. i am sick of his over rated D. the guy is useless, there is no more of what we though of as potential. just useless. and doc should no this by now. i hope TA doesnt come into a game this playoff, too much of a liability.
he should get traded this summer or cut.  i have had enough of this "he is young, and flashes of good play"
rondo, BBD, and leon have been in the league for a shorter time and produced more, enough is enough, get rid of him

[CeltiCpRide79]

I really feel the "chemistry of that five" argument ... but the Bulls burnt us with this small lineup move the first time they went to it, and Doc is forced to react now. He can't pull Perk there, so it has to be Davis. The real trouble is that Stephon Marbury or Eddie House have showed few reasons to go with them instead of the guy under mysterious death threats. The whole bench situation has been rotten since Leon went down in Game 1, and as far as who to ship out in the offseason, I'm not going to think that way just yet. I have seen every one of the guys we are ripping from the bench show up on certain occasions in their careers, Tony included, and they have one more shot to shine. If the starters drag them through another miserable outing, more kudos to Rivers. If they don't, then tell me the guy had some kind of solid choices the way the injuries and uncertainty have piled up this year. T.A. did max out long ago, but if he played at that level for Rivers in these circumstances, there'd be a lot less to talk about. As is, how is DOc supposed to know what he's going to get out of those second unit guys the way they've played for six games?

Bottom line, if one bench guy can't scare up five rebounds and another one score 10 points in Game 7, forget about trying to blame Doc on that score. We'll likely be readying a vicious assault for the 2010 crown instead of torturing Orlando the way I know we can unless those miracle numbers off the pine are achieved. Five and ten my friends. As for the play-calling, I have no idea whose choice leaving the Davis/Allen pick and pop axis was. I suspect that in "ubuntu" fashion, everyone didn't make the right call, players and coaching staff included, to let that happen.

[Bankshot]

I really feel the "chemistry of that five" argument ... but the Bulls burnt us with this small lineup move the first time they went to it, and Doc is forced to react now. He can't pull Perk there, so it has to be Davis. The real trouble is that Stephon Marbury or Eddie House have showed few reasons to go with them instead of the guy under mysterious death threats. The whole bench situation has been rotten since Leon went down in Game 1, and as far as who to ship out in the offseason, I'm not going to think that way just yet. I have seen every one of the guys we are ripping from the bench show up on certain occasions in their careers, Tony included, and they have one more shot to shine. If the starters drag them through another miserable outing, more kudos to Rivers. If they don't, then tell me the guy had some kind of solid choices the way the injuries and uncertainty have piled up this year. T.A. did max out long ago, but if he played at that level for Rivers in these circumstances, there'd be a lot less to talk about. As is, how is DOc supposed to know what he's going to get out of those second unit guys the way they've played for six games?

Bottom line, if one bench guy can't scare up five rebounds and another one score 10 points in Game 7, forget about trying to blame Doc on that score. We'll likely be readying a vicious assault for the 2010 crown instead of torturing Orlando the way I know we can unless those miracle numbers off the pine are achieved. Five and ten my friends. As for the play-calling, I have no idea whose choice leaving the Davis/Allen pick and pop axis was. I suspect that in "ubuntu" fashion, everyone didn't make the right call, players and coaching staff included, to let that happen.

Sorry, I don't agree.  When they went small, we could have/should have punished them with size.  Doc should have at least waited a possession or two to see if their going small hurt us (since we were up , but he wasted a few possessions anyway by having 3 guys on the floor who can't shoot, so they were able to load up on Paul and Ray, while letting Rondo, Perk and Tony try to beat them. You absolutely cannot take out BBD for Tony in that situation.  BBD was playing great and making clutch plays.  Stupid Doc!

[Kwhit10]

Yes Doc shouldn't have put in TA for BBD in those last 8 minutes, but that was not the only thing that cost us the game.  How about Rondo missing 2 free throws when we were up 99-91? 

And there are so many more examples during the game, not including OT.

[Bankshot]

Yes Doc shouldn't have put in TA for BBD in those last 8 minutes, but that was not the only thing that cost us the game.  How about Rondo missing 2 free throws when we were up 99-91? 

And there are so many more examples during the game, not including OT.

Yeah, there were other things, but those other things would not have happened had Doc not screwed up in regulation time.  They pretty much had the game won until Doc screwed the team by counting on Tony Allen instead of the guy who has been coming up big for you all series and especially in this game (BBD).

[Drucci]

Yeah, I don't understand why he put TA to replace BBD. Was Davis in foul trouble? I don't remember but it seems to me that Doc felt "Wow this is going to overtime, instead of keeping our lead and increasing it I should rest Baby and avoid him further foul trouble going into OT".

It was a huge mistake but it was not the only one, and you can't fire Doc just for that.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think Steve brought this up as well, but I can at least understand Doc's initial reasoning.  In Game 5, Salmons killed us when he was being defended by BBD, and the game got back under control when we went to a smaller lineup.  I think Doc's initial reasoning was he wasn't going to let the same mistake happen again.

Of course, Doc failed to quickly make an adjustment when it became clear that having Tony in there was a mistake.  He stuck with that experiment way too long, and it hurt us, without question.

[Bankshot]

I think Steve brought this up as well, but I can at least understand Doc's initial reasoning.  In Game 5, Salmons killed us when he was being defended by BBD, and the game got back under control when we went to a smaller lineup.  I think Doc's initial reasoning was he wasn't going to let the same mistake happen again.

Of course, Doc failed to quickly make an adjustment when it became clear that having Tony in there was a mistake.  He stuck with that experiment way too long, and it hurt us, without question.

Well I don't understand Doc's reasoning.  If we were down or the game was close or tied, I could see it.  But the Celtics were up and all they needed to do is score a couple of baskets to win it.  Chicago couldn't win it by trading baskets.  They didn't even really need Tony for defense.

[kozlodoev]

Well I don't understand Doc's reasoning.  If we were down or the game was close or tied, I could see it.  But the Celtics were up and all they needed to do is score a couple of baskets to win it.  Chicago couldn't win it by trading baskets.  They didn't even really need Tony for defense.

No, all the Celtics needed was to make a couple of stops. Chicago couldn't win it by not scoring any baskets.

Unfortunately, the combination of not scoring anything and not making any stops will not win you many games.