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Assessment of Chicago Series
« on: April 21, 2009, 01:27:26 PM »

Offline QuinielaBox

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I think we are in real trouble here. The Celtics are too burdened by injuries and poor play on transition defense to stay with the Bulls. Paul Pierce is gonna have to do it for us if we want to advance. Rondo, Perkins, and Davis are maxed out. If any of them goes down, we are absolutely screwed. Doc Rivers has apparently lost confidence in the bench based on back to back weak 2nd qtr stints that gave Chicago the advantage by halftime. This is something I have to write with much regret.

Maybe Stephon, Eddie, Mikki, and Tony Allan can give us something in Chicago to support the starters great work. Maybe the Truth will finally come out. So far, I just ain't seeing it.

I would love to be wrong here and see the Celtics win Game 3 and/or 4 to get us back on track. OK see in the chat room, Regards, Q

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The whole outlook has brightened considerably, put him in the Starting Line-up because we always win when he starts.  :)
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 04:57:56 PM »

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Yeah, unfortunately it's hard not to agree.  Our starters really look maxed out, it's taken career performances from some of them just to get us to 1-1 against the Bulls in two home games, both of which were very close.

Honestly, the Bulls are playing like a 4 seed.  Heck, they're playing better than the Magic are right now.  The fact that this comes at a time when the Celtics are hurting from injuries and their stars are trying to get into a playoff mentality / rhythm means things aren't looking so great for the Celtics.

We just have to hope that a few days of rest and some careful planning with the pieces we have right now (very few) will yield some more encouraging results in Chicago.  If we could take Game 3 in Chicago that would do wonders our outlook, I think.

I really wish our bench weren't so weak.  It's hard not to look at Mikki Moore as a really big disappointment when you look at the sort of production the Cavs are getting out of Joe Smith.  Mikki is good for little more than fouling and the very very occasional mid-range jumper.  House is the only player who contributes with consistency, but he is very much a role player who can't carry the second unit on his own.  Marbury is a player who might have been able to do so in the past but at this point seems to just play well enough not to make things worse (besides being a step down from Rondo, that is).

I want to be more optimistic but all these injuries and our first round bad luck in terms of opponent selection makes it difficult not to feel pretty gloomy about things for the C's.
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 05:13:25 PM »

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i think boston gets one more win in the series and that is it...they are just too beat up

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 05:28:17 PM »

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Did it ever occur to you that the Bulls barely beat us in Game 1 and that we beat them in Game 2? Both of these games the Celtics played, collectively as a team, probably some of the worst basketball we have so far this season. We had 20+ offensive boards last night! That means players are missing tons of shots, something we normally don't do considering our FG % was one of the highest in the regular season. Now, I understand you think that we have had some career performances by some of the players (i.e. Rondo), but like I said, as a whole, its pretty ugly basketball especially by the second unit who hasn't done squat. On the flip side of this, I believe the Bulls are absolutely playing out of their minds right now. I seriously don't think they can play any better than they have. So, if we can even play marginal ball as a team, with the bench providing something, or in their case right now, ANYTHING, we win convincingly.... Just my opinion!
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »

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There's still a long way to go in this series. We can and will play better. I don't think Chicago can play any better. I  also think that the longer this series goes the tighter The Bulls will play. Thursday is a must win for Chicago, if they want to win the series. If we win then the pressure shifts.

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 05:35:25 PM »

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sorry...but boston has been playing at this level for some time now...i just dont see them flipping the switch esp without powe and KG...i think we are all seeing what we feared when the bench was not really addressed in the summer

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 05:39:03 PM »

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Yeah, unfortunately I think it's too easy to just say "But they've been playing badly!  This isn't the Celtics team we know! Once they start playing like themselves, they'll destroy the Bulls, you'll see!"  It's too easy because I think the truth may be what we don't want to admit - the way the Celtics are playing now is pretty much the Celtics team they've been for a while without KG and with these injuries piling up.  There may not be a whole lot of improvement for us to get. 

In other words, maybe they haven't been playing poorly because some of the guys are just playing badly (Ray on Sat., Paul - sort of - on Monday, etc) but because this is about as well as they can play, barring a break-out performance (Rondo, Davis) when our team is set up like it currently is.

I want to believe that we can snap out of this and suddenly play like the dominant defensive team that we all know and love, but until next season when we have our guys back and hopefully some solid FA contributions from the offseason, I'm not sure any of us our going to see that team.
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 05:39:41 PM »

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Put the locks on Rose and Gordon, we can win both games in Chicago and by a wide margin.

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 05:40:39 PM »

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Put the locks on Rose and Gordon, we can win both games in Chicago and by a wide margin.

Knowing our luck with the last couple of games, even if those two play badly, somebody else will play ridiculously well - say, Salmons, Heinrich, or Miller.
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 05:41:37 PM »

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sorry...but boston has been playing at this level for some time now...i just dont see them flipping the switch esp without powe and KG...i think we are all seeing what we feared when the bench was not really addressed in the summer

I didn't think the bench was playing too bad toward the end of the regular season...they are definitely streaky and inconsistent but they are due to at least provide something
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 05:48:12 PM »

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Bench ain't the problem, never was imo, and towards the END of the season, like the BEGINNING of the season, our bench has been saving our team from losing. Pierce looking like a walking corpse after playing nearly 40+ minutes every game after all star, no KG, our defense looking like utter **** and the fact we played in spurts nearly every game killed it.
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Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 06:07:50 PM »

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I agree with prov.  I feel we've taken chicagos best shots, not played anywhere near as good as we can (current team) and we are even.  Game 1 allen was horrible, eddie hasn't had it, pp last game was eh ok.  Our bench at the end of the season was bringing more energy than the starters.  Again they are inconsistant because they are bench players.  If they were better they'd start!
I think scal won't be a factor but hopefully can give pp a few minutes breather.  I still feel we can win this series but if another starter goes out or is banged up anymore we are in trouble.  No rondo we won't win another.
We need davis to play out of his socks (like last game) he has to be getting rebounds or blocking out.  We are down to perk, davis, moore (and scal) for bigs 
:-\ .   I don't think we can ask PP to play pf as it is he's overplayed at sf.  Maybe small ball (docs secret love) will win the series for us.

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 06:20:11 PM »

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Pierce said the team has been playing its "C" game this whole series.... I would agree. The Bulls have played their best basketball. If we win game 3, then I will feel just fine about the series.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 06:22:02 PM »

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The only way to stay sane in these playoffs with everything swirling around us is to take this one game at a time.  Game 3 is all that matters right now, and then I'll worry about Game 4.  I still think we have enough to win, both Game 3 and the series in general - the Bulls have played out of their heads and we've been mediocre at best.

Overall, though, while I'm not going to knock the pessimists for lining up to toss dirt on a coffin that's not even sealed yet, I think we've just got to enjoy what this team gives us.  With no Powe and Marbury and Moore both playing like duds, we would not only need KG to come back (very unlikely) but we would need him at maximum effectiveness (pretty much physically impossible) to make any kind of real run. 

Injuries are a fact of life in the NBA - if and when we get knocked out, it won't be because the team failed on its own merits, it'll be because we lost a significant amount of our production on both ends, and the other guys just couldn't sustain it for long enough. 

I'm taking these playoffs as a learning experience for Rondo, Perk, and BBD, since every year from here on out they'll be asked to pick up more of the load from the Big 3 on a nightly basis.  Hopefully this series and any to follow will speed up their learning process, and we'll be better for it in the long run.  So far, so good on that count I would say. 

Re: Assessment of Chicago Series
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 09:07:00 PM »

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The only way to stay sane in these playoffs with everything swirling around us is to take this one game at a time.  Game 3 is all that matters right now, and then I'll worry about Game 4.  I still think we have enough to win, both Game 3 and the series in general - the Bulls have played out of their heads and we've been mediocre at best.

Overall, though, while I'm not going to knock the pessimists for lining up to toss dirt on a coffin that's not even sealed yet, I think we've just got to enjoy what this team gives us.  With no Powe and Marbury and Moore both playing like duds, we would not only need KG to come back (very unlikely) but we would need him at maximum effectiveness (pretty much physically impossible) to make any kind of real run. 

Injuries are a fact of life in the NBA - if and when we get knocked out, it won't be because the team failed on its own merits, it'll be because we lost a significant amount of our production on both ends, and the other guys just couldn't sustain it for long enough. 

I'm taking these playoffs as a learning experience for Rondo, Perk, and BBD, since every year from here on out they'll be asked to pick up more of the load from the Big 3 on a nightly basis.  Hopefully this series and any to follow will speed up their learning process, and we'll be better for it in the long run.  So far, so good on that count I would say. 

My position exactly--eloquently summarized. TP.

Now if I may address the topic of injuries:

I don't get the whole "don't blame it on injuries, because then we're just like the Lakers" philosophy. Its clearly a different situation. The Lakers losing Bynum is comparable to the Celtics losing Ray Allen (and that's pretty generous). If the only injury our team was Ray Allen out for the playoffs, then I would agree with that mentality, but the fact is we have only 7, MAYBE 8 healthy and actually capable players (I'm looking at you, Mikki). That's a way, WAY more severe injury situation. That's like, truly ridiculous. Plus, our best player is out. A comparable injury situation for the Lakers would be taking away Take away Kobe, Ariza, Farmar, and giving them an unhealthy but playing Gasol or Odom (to compensate for Rondo's playing on one leg). Who would say that it wasn't the injuries that cost them if the Lakers had all of those players out and they lost early in the playoffs? Same thing for the Cavs. Take away Lebron, Ben Wallace, and Varejao, then Put DWest or Mo Williams on one leg. They wouldn't fare too well either.

So blame it on the injuries for the Celtics. Its warranted.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.