but to act like "oh man, we missed a gem" and then not admit that if we had drafted him he'd never be seen as a good pick because he'd be buried just as deep as JR is cherry picking to try to support an argument that has no basis for comparison on one side.
But who's acting like that? The OP only asked who would you take, fans do this all the time with players from the same draft class - before the draft, after the Summer League, in the 1st season, 10 seasons later, after the entire class is retired, etc.
I mean, imagine you are Ainge and Riley calls saying "hey Danny, you know what, I just hired Steve Alford for our coaching staff and he insists JR is the real deal. Do you accept Mario for him?". What would you say?
Now, the minutes he'd get here it's arguable and maybe all these would be NBA talent scouts that are sure Chalmers wouldn't get any minutes here are right, but I personally believe he's already shown he's good enough to earn minutes in every single NBA team.
but he got to show that because he had no depth in front of him correct?
Do you disagree that with rondo and eddie (remeber, Doc trusts eddie to a fault) in front of him he'd struggle just as much as any other 2nd round pick to show the talent he has?
I mean, case and point bill walker. He is in a spot that we have questionable depth at behind paul (Ta and scal, who i like more as a PF anyway) and needed two injuries and the star player calling the coach out in the media to see the floor from doc, who was perfectly happy killing paul and ray rather than give a kid a chance, and now he's proving a solid, if green, 10 minute a game player.
Again, i agree with you, and wanted mario that night because i thought he would be a better backup to rondo than house, but it's just not realistic to think that beating out chris quinn was all based on some sort of super talent he showed that the heat couldn't deny. He has preformed well for the heat, that doesn't change the fact that I don't think we have enough information to make this call.
But who's saying he showed some sort of super talent? You're refuting an argument nobody made. I said he reminded me of Gerald Henderson; do you think of Henderson as super-talented? Of course the Heat situation helped him: but that's why he's the starter there. I'm just arguing he'd be a rotational player here, not that he'd play 30 minutes every night.
I think Doc would eventually start rotate in the 2nd unit a backcourt of Chalmers/House/Allen and that Chalmers would eventually beat House as the primary backup guard.
I mean, what's so odd about this? I remember tons of trade ideas threads where people were suggesting that, to face an alleged need for a backup PG, we should trade for guys like Lue, Dooling, etc or sign Pargo. Chalmers is better than those guys already, and he'd be a good fit in our team, considering the kind of wings we have, so why wouldn't he play?
cor, honestly, what is it your trying to debate with me about? mabey im confused, but you seem to keep trying to hammer home some point that the OP didn't say what i thought he said, or that I think it’s a crazy question, which makes no sense because I AGREE WITH THE OP, as ive said about 3 times now.
My first post, in which you apparently think i said "no way you can even bother comparing them" says no such thing. I've said multiple times that i think, right now, you have to say that chalmers is the better pick. My original post in this thread was in response to someone who said that chalmers would have cracked the rotation here, and danny made a mistake. That has nothing to do with the Op's post, nor your posts back to me.
My point was that we don't know if danny made a mistake, and that we wouldn't know yet if chalmers was here, since he wouldn’t have had the body of work he does.
Ive never had any problem with scouting both of them, I just said i personally don't have a definite opinion because we've seen little to none of JR's work in the NBA. whats so controversial about that position?
Topic: Would you rather have Mario Chalmers or JR Giddens? (Read 13487 times)