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Pierce iso move needs a vacation?
« on: February 26, 2009, 01:04:22 PM »

Offline twinbree

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It sounds wrong to say that when it has bailed the team out so many times before but I think the 4th quarter offense is becoming predictable. Instead of relying on this one move regularly, they need to work on perfecting multiple crunch time plays and improving their free throw shooting. When the “hack-a-insert name” strategy can be used successfully on more than half the roster it’s a big problem.
With the Clippers swiping at his thumb (or in the Jazz game where he was missing), Ray is not a shabby second option. How did Doc not call for plays to get him involved? He also has a midrange jumper and does a decent job getting to the basket and finishing.
I understand there are times when Pierce has to carry the offense but most times a team effort will do equally as well or better. Their wins in Miami/Orlando/Detroit/Philly/NY/NO/Dallas all had fairly balanced 4th quarter attacks.

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Re: Pierce iso move needs a vacation?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 01:18:46 PM »

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I'd rather have Rondo creating, but the Pierce iso is cool with me for like one possession if it's a tie game.

We basically ran the Pierce iso like 4 times in a row to beat Dallas, because they were letting him get to his spot, but I'd rather have more of a team effort.

Get Ray the ball in crunch time, as well as Pierce. I don't know if it's Pierce doing it on his own or if Doc is calling it, so I will reserve judgment on who to blame.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 01:21:09 PM »

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Addictive stuff, Doc stole that play from the mavs with dirk/terry playing that one/two in the 4th Q. I wonder why doesn't Doc call Ray's number late game? It seems that every game its PP that gets to fail. Ray should have his opportunity to fail as well, besides he is the better shooter & he's quicker than PP.
I think Doc should get a new playbook on offensive cause like you said its becoming predictable.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 01:23:33 PM »

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I could not agree more with this thread. The entire game you score by moving the ball around. Then for long stretches they go into Pierce ISO mode. I'm not a fan of isolations in any sense the best way to get someone to get an offense rebound is to involve everyone in the offense. It's very easy to box out a man who just stands in the corner.
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Re: Pierce iso move needs a vacation?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 01:28:05 PM »

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Quote from: Change on February 26, 2009, 01:21:09 PM
Addictive stuff, Doc stole that play from the mavs with dirk/terry playing that one/two in the 4th Q. I wonder why doesn't Doc call Ray's number late game? It seems that every game its PP that gets to fail. Ray should have his opportunity to fail as well, besides he is the better shooter & he's quicker than PP.
I think Doc should get a new playbook on offensive cause like you said its becoming predictable.


Well the whole reason you run the screen from Rondo with Pierce's man is to set up the mismatch with Paul be guarded by the PG.  Paul can shoot over them or over power them with his strength.  Ray cant physically impose his will against a Jason Kidd or another PG as well as Paul can.  Thats why it was so effective against Dallas. 

Last game it would have worked fine as well, however, Paul's thumb was bothering him and they were slapping at it everytime.  Mardy Collins is also a big PG as opposed to Pierce getting switched on by Barea or something like that.  When he did get Baron on him last night, Baron immediately slapped at his thumb.

Good play, i just think it was the wrong night to use it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 01:39:17 PM »

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Quote from: shiggins on February 26, 2009, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: Change on February 26, 2009, 01:21:09 PM
Addictive stuff, Doc stole that play from the mavs with dirk/terry playing that one/two in the 4th Q. I wonder why doesn't Doc call Ray's number late game? It seems that every game its PP that gets to fail. Ray should have his opportunity to fail as well, besides he is the better shooter & he's quicker than PP.
I think Doc should get a new playbook on offensive cause like you said its becoming predictable.


Well the whole reason you run the screen from Rondo with Pierce's man is to set up the mismatch with Paul be guarded by the PG.  Paul can shoot over them or over power them with his strength.  Ray cant physically impose his will against a Jason Kidd or another PG as well as Paul can.  Thats why it was so effective against Dallas. 

Last game it would have worked fine as well, however, Paul's thumb was bothering him and they were slapping at it everytime.  Mardy Collins is also a big PG as opposed to Pierce getting switched on by Barea or something like that.  When he did get Baron on him last night, Baron immediately slapped at his thumb.

Good play, i just think it was the wrong night to use it.

Good point, it was the wrong night. But running Iso for PP all 4th Q? its getting old. Ray needs to get the ball more. He can shoot better, he is quicker than PP, and he can also get to the basketball easier instead of Spinderella that Pierce does.
Ray isn't involved as much after 1st Q. We have to utilize every weapon especially since Rondo wet his bed last night.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 01:42:02 PM »

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Amen and TP to the OP. 
Pierce's ISO move needs more than a vacation -- more like a trip to the old folks home.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 02:18:59 PM »

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Pierce's iso play needed a vacation a long time ago! If your going to run an iso, why not shake things up sometimes and run some for ray or kg, or run a pick and roll with an option off of it?
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 02:29:44 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »

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I only like his Iso if he is threatening to drive. When he is only looking for a jumper, it is too predictable.

All ball movement dies, the defense easily gets the rebound.

But if Paul is in full driving/shooting/mix up mode and he's hot, then i love it!
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 03:30:25 PM »

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Pierce needs to go strong to the basket in those situations. There aren't a lot of guys out there that can stop him without fouling. Lately Paul has been relying on his jump shot EVERY TIME and now the defender knows its coming. Pierce is a great slasher and that's what we need from him down the stretch. He can also create easy baskets for anyone that can finish.

Pierces shot is money though. It's very reliable when Pierce has his legs under him. Doc needs to get him more rest and those shots will fall in the 4th.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 04:34:34 PM »

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Iso is fine, it just depends on the moves he makes with the iso and the floor spacing. He is not like Ray where you just have to set screens for him, he needs to take guys off the dribble.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 04:58:19 PM »

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Pierce is in a bit of a slump. Calm down people. They've been running the 3-1 pick and pop setting up isos for Paul all year. And it's worked most of the time. During the playoffs they're going to go to the iso for him in the 4th quarter a lot, just like they've always done, and it will work, just like it always has.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 05:26:11 PM »

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TP for the thread!

Can’t stand the Pierce Iso...

It’s just a fundamentally flawed approach to a possession.

Ball Movement/Activity/Attack the Rim /5 Guys Involved in the Play…That’s the ticket.

Too much talent on this team to settle for that.


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Re: Pierce iso move needs a vacation?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 06:17:28 PM »

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Like the shot, but i'd like for them to kick back to Rondo then spread cause he can drive right by a Forward, hell he could get by him, collapse the defense, THEN kick it back to Paul Pierce while the PG runs to contest.
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