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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2009, 02:19:30 PM »

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Nocioni seems to have declined alot in the last 1.5 seasons. Am I the only one who feels this way??

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2009, 02:21:53 PM »

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The fact that people think Posey is in the same league as Nocioni speaks volumes.

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2009, 02:26:12 PM »

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The fact that people think Posey is in the same league as Nocioni speaks volumes.

You mean the NBA?

Nocioni has, in fact, declined, as has Posey.  Nocioni is better, but not that much better.  Both are overpaid.

Just because Nocioni is better than Posey doesn't justify denuding your bench and your bank account to get him. 

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2009, 02:26:54 PM »

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Yeah i was in this chat too chad said that danny probably wouldnt do this but he said sac town probably would accept it

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2009, 02:28:29 PM »

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The fact that people think Posey is in the same league as Nocioni speaks volumes.

You mean the NBA?

Nocioni has, in fact, declined, as has Posey.  Nocioni is better, but not that much better.  Both are overpaid.

Just because Nocioni is better than Posey doesn't justify denuding your bench and your bank account to get him. 


Nocioni is a lot better than Posey. Every one knows this simple fact but Celtic fans.

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2009, 02:28:37 PM »

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I don't know if I'd like rooting for Nocioni, or giving up BBD for him - I'm still very high on Baby for the long run, though Nocioni would obviously be better this year and probably next.  Plus as others have mentioned a 4 for 1 would lead to an even bigger collection of scrubs at the end of the bench.  And our salary flexibility would be severely hindered going forward.  I'd nix it - if we get some combination of Smith/Marbury/Booth I think that's enough to not hurt ourselves financially in the process.
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2009, 02:28:57 PM »

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What is being overlooked here is that while Noccioni is more expensive than Posey, we wouldn't be paying Scal's contract next since this is a trade not an additional player. That's 3 million (6 if we are in luxury land).

So financially is not as bad as some are making it out to be when compared to what would've been Posey's deal.

Posey got a $25 million contract. Nocioni's making $29 million in the same period. This upsets Scal's contract. Plus, we're giving Big Baby away.

But as someone who never took seriously the "oh, that single season of a MLE contract in 2012 will kill our future" rationale I see your point.

That's 'cause you never understood it, cordobes.  It's not the 'single' season of MLE money, it's the TWO seasons of MLE money in '10 and '11; two seasons which happen to coincide with the resigning of Ray/Rondo/Paul/Perk.  Danny was willing to bite the bullet for first of those seasons when he offered the 3rd year to Posey, but the 3rd AND 4th year of MLE money was TOO much to handle, considering the higher priorities that need to be addressed during those years.

It's too bad, though, acquiring Nocioni in the rumored deal would be a great move for the Cs--but he makes too much money, and would impact the years '11 and '12 much too adversely.  That's why it won't get done.
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2009, 02:29:38 PM »

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I like this deal (I too would rather be giving this money to Posey, but I don't see a reason to compound mistakes and just judge the deal on its merits; also, after this season, the difference between the two contracts is only about $1.5 mil- Nocioni gets 8 for this season, much of it already paid, and Posey gets 5.5 this year), but agree that the only possible way we can do it is if we KNOW we are getting Smith too, and I just think there's too big a risk of that not happening. A fallback option like Calvin Booth (who has played only one minute this season for Minnesota) just doesn't cut - to me, it HAS to be Smith or this deal doesn't make sense.

First, I like Nocioni as a player more than the four guys we'd be giving up combined) and think he would fill an important role for the Celtics. He is a tough defender, and by my memory, raised his game in the playoffs a few years ago with Chicago. He is no Posey, but he can play in that role and would again open up the option for us to play small when necessary since he can fill in as a power forward in certain situations.

As for the outgoing guys, I have no problem with Allen and O'Bryant going. IF Smith comes in, he'll take a lot of Davis' minutes anyway and Powe could fill up any remaining minutes that are needed. That leaves Scalabrine, and I think the combination of Smith, Nocioni and a third "insurance" center who gets bought out (neither are great shakes, but for example Chris Mihm and/or Calvin Booth could be bought out and be as adequate a third center for this season as O'Bryant is), could take up the need we might have for Scalabrine. Fact is, we are probably going to have to let Davis or Powe go this year. It's certainly debateable which player is better, but what this season has shown me even more than last is that Davis is NOT a center, so we can't hold on to two power forwards who fill the same role. So I would not lose any sleep over losing Davis.  

I for one would be extremely happy with a bench crew of Pruitt, House, Nocioni, Powe and Smith. We'd hold onto Giddens and Walker, and have room to add an insurance big, Marbury if he comes available, or even bring Cassell back in as point insurance if Marbury doesn't come to town.

All that said, if Smith is not coming, we can't do this trade. I don't think Davis has a long future here, but we can't give up him and Scalabrine, the only guys on our current roster who would play minutes at center, where we need a backup, for a small forward. We'd be better off hoping Walker can fill some time, relying more on Pruitt and leaving the rotation of big men we have.

(Question: do we have to name the 12 man roster for the entire playoffs before the playoffs start, or can the rosters be altered between series, in case of injuries? It would be nice to have ten men set (eleven if we sign Marbury), and then be able to choose between Walker, Giddens and an extra big depending on the series.)

Bottom line, if it is substantially probable that Smith will be bought out and would come to Boston, I would do the Nocioni trade. If we don't have that confidence, we can't give up multiple bigger guys for one smaller guy.
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2009, 02:37:24 PM »

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57410/20090219/will_nocioni_will_wind_up_in_boston/
I just found this and it was just posted, pretty much the same stuff......
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2009, 02:38:26 PM »

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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2009, 02:39:14 PM »

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(Question: do we have to name the 12 man roster for the entire playoffs before the playoffs start, or can the rosters be altered between series, in case of injuries? It would be nice to have ten men set (eleven if we sign Marbury), and then be able to choose between Walker, Giddens and an extra big depending on the series.)


Yeah, I think rosters are set before each series and can be changed in between playoff rounds - last year I think the Pistons sat Lindsay Hunter for Walter Herrman against Orlando and reversed it for our series.

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2009, 02:40:50 PM »

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If we did do this deal would we be able to still sign Marbury and Smith if they are bought-out? If we could do this deal and get Smith and Steph we would definatly be a better team!
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #102 on: February 19, 2009, 02:42:59 PM »

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If POB's really gone (and I haven't seen it confirmed) this deal's gotta be dead.  Can't say I'm too upset.

Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2009, 02:43:17 PM »

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how old is he? because he's paid more than posey >:(
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Re: Chad ford rumor--C's/Kings
« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2009, 02:46:44 PM »

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Nocioni is about a year younger than Posey.

Finances aside, I would have really liked this deal.  It would still have left the Cs able to sign Marbury and Smith (if bought out).

The bench would have been: Marbury, House, Nocioni, Smith, Powe.  Pretty excellent bench if you ask me...
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