A- Rod admits to steroid use in 2003

[fairweatherfan]

BTW, the craziest thing in this whole can of worms is that Jose Canseco has to be considered the most credible person in the entire process of discovery.  I can't think of a single person he named that hasn't been corroborated later on down the line. 

[celticpride07]

Yeah i agree jose canseco looks like the smartest man alive and everyone thought he was just crazy looking to make a few bucks writing a book..

[yall hate]

Si.com says he tested positive for Primobolan and testosterone (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/)

Primobolan isnt sold in the US.
http://www.steroid.com/Primobolan.php

And since we aren´t even going to vaguely consider the use of Primobolan as a bulking agent, clearly this leaves us with considering it primarily for use in gaining and maintaining lean tissue. It´s a great choice for this purpose, and many competitors have used it very successfully to retain muscle while on a calorie reduced diet. The reason Primo is so useful for this purpose is that one of its primary functions is to help your body retain nitrogen (7) at a greatly enhanced rate. The greater your nitrogen retention is, the more muscle you will build. In the case of using primo as a pre-contest drug, this nitrogen retention will help you retain muscle and ensure that your dieting preferentially favors fat loss over muscle loss.


And that interview on ESPN made me think less of him. lots of contradictions based on past comments, sleezy attempts to discredit selena, he's a sleazeball, and that isnt because I am a sox fan and he is a Yankee.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

The baseball HOF is a museum that chronicles the history of baseball. Steroids, for better or worse, are part of that history. The appropriate measure is not to bury baseball's head in the sand and forget that Bonds, ARod, Rose, or whoever simply didn't exist. They should be in there, warts and all, and let the public decide how to view them. The only fair way to do the Hall of Fame is to let all that would qualify and put them in a separate wing or something. They'd have to make some notation about the era in the organization of the Hall.

If they played in the 90s and 00s, they should be in with the caveat that "this was the era that encouraged the proliferation of performance-enhancing substances. View accomplishments with that in mind" etc. or something like it.

The HoF is for the most talented members of the sport.  If you are cheating to become that, then you shouldnt be rewarded. Tainted numbers dont belong among the clean ones. and while you may not be able to determine all of the dirty athletes, you should be able to exclude the dirty members that you can identify

See that's the beauty of the baseball HOF. It is not just a conference room for the most talented members of the game. It is a record of and a standing monument to all that have played the game at the major league level. It is a museum that contains the historical remnants of baseball in all its stages. There have been exhibits on the 1919 Black Sox scandal, and lists in the Hall of the leaders in statistical categories do not omit Pete Rose from the top of the Hits list, nor does it completely pass over Shoeless Joe in the stories relevant to his era.

Steroids are officially a part of the history of major league baseball. The HOF exists to document and record the history of major league baseball. Therefore, steroids should be documented in the hall. Make sure there are plenty of copies of the drug policy on hand in the exhibit, but we just don't know who did or didn't, so everyone should be in with the understanding that all the numbers are there during the most tainted era in the game's existence. Try to paint it as objectively as possible as a GOOD journalist would aspire to, and be very matter of fact with those who were caught (Bonds, Rodriguez, Clemens, etc.)

Remember, Gaylord Perry threw a ton of spitballs on his way to 314 wins and HOF induction.

BTW, ARod almost did the right thing, until he tried to discredit Roberts. What a JERK.

[crownsy]

Let me repeat what I said the other day.  They ALL used steroids. This is a story only because A-Rod is a marquee player.

im more intersted on a personal annoyance level with the "if we like you, its peer pressure, if we don't like you, your the baseball anti Christ" vibe that the major media outlets are on.

Its like they get there rocks off on protecting or ruining these guys legacy's for doing THE EXACT SAME THING.

[MBz]

Let me repeat what I said the other day.  They ALL used steroids. This is a story only because A-Rod is a marquee player.

im more intersted on a personal annoyance level with the "if we like you, its peer pressure, if we don't like you, your the baseball anti Christ" vibe that the major media outlets are on.

Its like they get there rocks off on protecting or ruining these guys legacy's for doing THE EXACT SAME THING.

I agree.  This is the one thing that I dislike.  Bonds got killed by the media.  McGwire wasn't voted into the hall of fame.  Yet, hall of fame voters are saying they'd vote ARod in because he admitted to it?  Are you kidding me?  At least Bonds did it once was older to extend his career, ARod started doing them when he was 28.  There actions are equal, I expected equal consequences.  Also, this is the first time I've agreed with Curt Schilling, but show us the entire list.  I want to see every name on that list.  The thing that kills me the most, is without steroids, Bonds and ARod would still be two of the best to ever play the game.

[SShorefan 4.0]

After watching the Gammons interview, I think A Rod has dug himself a bigger hole.

The 1/2 truths and the skirting of the issues opened the door to more questions and more speculation.  Yesterday was the tip of what may turn out to be a PR nightmare for A Rod.

[yall hate]

here is my problem with this liar.

He says unequivocally that the products he took you could get at GNC. BUT, he doesnt know what they were.  So he knows where he got them and is sure that they were available but he doesnt know what they were.  yes, I bet a lot of players just walk in, grab a random bottle and pop pills.

Second, he tested positive for (allegedly) testosterone and Primobolan.  You cant get either of those two drugs in GNC, namely because Primobolan isnt even sold in the US.

He is a piece of scum.  (and I would say the same if it were David Ortiz up their being a shady liar).

[LB3533]

I really don't care if A-Rod or any of these MLB players cheated.

No one should care because it wasn't bad or illegal if MLB allowed it to happen and if it was OK for them then it was OK for me.

Now that they have decided to grow a conscience these last few years because the Federal Gov't got involved...we can see that there is a clear "right and wrong" line.

I say induct them all to the HoF.

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

[yall hate]

I really don't care if A-Rod or any of these MLB players cheated.

No one should care because it wasn't bad or illegal if MLB allowed it to happen and if it was OK for them then it was OK for me.

Now that they have decided to grow a conscience these last few years because the Federal Gov't got involved...we can see that there is a clear "right and wrong" line.

I say induct them all to the HoF.

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

So you wouldnt have a problem finding out the Pierce or KG are using illegal drugs that arent banned by the league?  if they are taking HGH, KG with some speed, etc...?

by the way, it is illegal to use HGH without a proper prescription, it is illegal to take various steroids without the proper prescriptions (and dont forget the steroid A-Rod took is illegal in the US)

[CelticsWhat35]

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

Yeah, what a bunch of morons for not putting something dangerous and illegal into their bodies.  Shame on them. 

[Redz]

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

The flaw with that logic is that it doesn't account for a guy not wanting sacricice his long term health for a short term "boost".

Then again, if that's the accepted culture of the profession, then it's probably the culture that needs to change (which is what they're trying to do).  It's just a very screwed up culture they've been living in.

[LB3533]

I really don't care if A-Rod or any of these MLB players cheated.

No one should care because it wasn't bad or illegal if MLB allowed it to happen and if it was OK for them then it was OK for me.

Now that they have decided to grow a conscience these last few years because the Federal Gov't got involved...we can see that there is a clear "right and wrong" line.

I say induct them all to the HoF.

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

So you wouldnt have a problem finding out the Pierce or KG are using illegal drugs that arent banned by the league?  if they are taking HGH, KG with some speed, etc...?

by the way, it is illegal to use HGH without a proper prescription, it is illegal to take various steroids without the proper prescriptions (and dont forget the steroid A-Rod took is illegal in the US)

The NBA is different. They aren't as Shady of an organization than MLB is. (NBA refs, Tim Dongagy and All-Star voting not withstanding)

I would be very upset if KG or Pierce were doing illegal activities or just showing up drunk to practice.

But you know who else would be upet? The Celtics owners and management.

Doc and the other Coaches would be upset as well as Celtic teammates.

In MLB, players who have used or are using are like in some kind of fraternity. They don't get upset that other players are using...they "join in".

Bud Selig, MLB owners, the MLB Players Union....they all turned a blind eye for a number of years.

They all, not only allowed the "steroid era" to continue, but they allowed it to "flourish".

They allowed the "steroid era" to infect the very best players the MLB has to offer.

I will be sad if Albert Pujols or Hanley Ramirez are or have been "users", but I won't be surprised. And I won't look at them any different than Bonds or Ruth.

[Roy Hobbs]

If you want to hear Salena Roberts' side of the story, it's here:

Link

In a nutshell, she says A-rod is completely off his rocker, and that none of what he claimed has a basis in truth.  She says she never came onto his property, and certainly hasn't broken into his house.

[LB3533]

I say if you didn't use steroids back in the "steroid era" you were dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity.

Yeah, what a bunch of morons for not putting something dangerous and illegal into their bodies.  Shame on them. 

For every day people and regular "Joe's" like me and you, who do not have the resources or people to look out for your well being...yes it is pretty stupid to put those things that have very harmful side effects into your body.

But the reward, if capitalized on, outweighs the risk.

If you were some scrub ball player who couldn't play and chose not to use steroids you gave up the chance to earn a 10 million dollar per year contract.

All the while the best players in the game used steroids and made 20-25 million per year!

Edit: "20-27 million per year!"