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Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2009, 03:39:02 PM »

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EJ, you clearly have a bias against Davis. Davis hasn't been a "little" better than Powe, he's been much better than Powe for one. But this isn't about that anyways.

I guess Davis didn't rebound the ball when he came in for Garnett. We did have quite a few offensive rebounds during that stretch. About 4 if not mistaken.

I find it quite hilarious that you ask for people to be consistent and reasonable when discussing Scal, and then do quite the contrary when BBD, Tony, and Cassell are involved.

Davis had 1 offensive rebound the entire game. Powe had 5 (More than the 3 BBD had in total) and 7 total.  That in about 30% less minutes than Powe. That isn't a one game thing here. Powe has been out-rebounding BBD the entire year and last year. We ALL know he is a better rebounder. Even when his game was off he out-rebounded Davis.The rest of the TEAM only had 7 offensive rebounds in the game and one was from KG, so I think you are creatively remembering those 4 offensive boards in that small stretch...

I was thrilled to have BBD when we drafted him. He has talent and where we got him was great value. What I didn't like though was his adding of fat through the entire year and over the offseason. NO ONE wants to talk about that. Everyone wants to talk about how much potential he has, and what a great player he is with the little non-measurable things. Nobody wants to talk about his horrid shooting, his absolute lack of a low post offensive game, his credit card measurable jump. No one wants to comment on the fact that it takes a completely lazy attitude to let yourself add that weight back. Yet Powe who has a lot of BIG GAMES under his belt, doesn't complain, does the dirty work, and keeps himself in great shape just because Powe is smart enough to realize those things are necessary to win. That he isn't a good shooter and so it is smarter not to take those 18 footers. Powe did nothing but attack the rim during that stretch. Sure he wasn't his typical self, but he kept doing the things he was good at and made sure he was hustling on the boards and being aggressive.

I don't hate BBD, but I don't overlook this lack of effort at the buffet table. If he wants to just be a decent backup, then fine, but I am going to put my support behind the guy willing to give it his all on and OFF the court.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2009, 03:39:19 PM »

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I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 






I hope your right.  This has been my feeling all along, but I have been wavering lately.  Perhaps I have been reading too many Marbury rumors, but I am starting to wonder if they have decided that Cassell is out of gas.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2009, 03:45:21 PM »

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Brian Scalabrine. look at what he does for this team when he comes in for Perk and KG covers the center. it's a beautiful up-tempo brand of basketball with three outside threats.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2009, 03:46:48 PM »

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EJ, you clearly have a bias against Davis. Davis hasn't been a "little" better than Powe, he's been much better than Powe for one. But this isn't about that anyways.

I guess Davis didn't rebound the ball when he came in for Garnett. We did have quite a few offensive rebounds during that stretch. About 4 if not mistaken.

I find it quite hilarious that you ask for people to be consistent and reasonable when discussing Scal, and then do quite the contrary when BBD, Tony, and Cassell are involved.

Davis had 1 offensive rebound the entire game. Powe had 5 (More than the 3 BBD had in total) and 7 total.  That in about 30% less minutes than Powe. That isn't a one game thing here. Powe has been out-rebounding BBD the entire year and last year. We ALL know he is a better rebounder. Even when his game was off he out-rebounded Davis.The rest of the TEAM only had 7 offensive rebounds in the game and one was from KG, so I think you are creatively remembering those 4 offensive boards in that small stretch...

I was thrilled to have BBD when we drafted him. He has talent and where we got him was great value. What I didn't like though was his adding of fat through the entire year and over the offseason. NO ONE wants to talk about that. Everyone wants to talk about how much potential he has, and what a great player he is with the little non-measurable things. Nobody wants to talk about his horrid shooting, his absolute lack of a low post offensive game, his credit card measurable jump. No one wants to comment on the fact that it takes a completely lazy attitude to let yourself add that weight back. Yet Powe who has a lot of BIG GAMES under his belt, doesn't complain, does the dirty work, and keeps himself in great shape just because Powe is smart enough to realize those things are necessary to win. That he isn't a good shooter and so it is smarter not to take those 18 footers. Powe did nothing but attack the rim during that stretch. Sure he wasn't his typical self, but he kept doing the things he was good at and made sure he was hustling on the boards and being aggressive.

I don't hate BBD, but I don't overlook this lack of effort at the buffet table. If he wants to just be a decent backup, then fine, but I am going to put my support behind the guy willing to give it his all on and OFF the court.


That was the first good game Leon played in a month...leon is really not that good and has been a dissapointment altogether this season...where were you after the philli game? i cant stand these Powe guys who come out after a bad game from bbd..get a life
BBD is the one who put more work on/off the court as far as im concerned, what the hell has leon added to his game? NOTHING. Glen Davis has weight problems, always has, quite frankly hes looking good right now
When you got it going, you got it going. I just keep my focus down the stretch. That's when I want the ball. I'm just not afraid to fail."-PaulPierce

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2009, 03:48:45 PM »

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I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 






  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2009, 03:53:58 PM »

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last night i made the statement that Sasha and Fisher are the worst defensive backcourt in the league, i think Cassel and House would be just as bad.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2009, 03:59:24 PM »

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EJ, you clearly have a bias against Davis. Davis hasn't been a "little" better than Powe, he's been much better than Powe for one. But this isn't about that anyways.

I guess Davis didn't rebound the ball when he came in for Garnett. We did have quite a few offensive rebounds during that stretch. About 4 if not mistaken.

I find it quite hilarious that you ask for people to be consistent and reasonable when discussing Scal, and then do quite the contrary when BBD, Tony, and Cassell are involved.

Davis had 1 offensive rebound the entire game. Powe had 5 (More than the 3 BBD had in total) and 7 total.  That in about 30% less minutes than Powe. That isn't a one game thing here. Powe has been out-rebounding BBD the entire year and last year. We ALL know he is a better rebounder. Even when his game was off he out-rebounded Davis.The rest of the TEAM only had 7 offensive rebounds in the game and one was from KG, so I think you are creatively remembering those 4 offensive boards in that small stretch...

I was thrilled to have BBD when we drafted him. He has talent and where we got him was great value. What I didn't like though was his adding of fat through the entire year and over the offseason. NO ONE wants to talk about that. Everyone wants to talk about how much potential he has, and what a great player he is with the little non-measurable things. Nobody wants to talk about his horrid shooting, his absolute lack of a low post offensive game, his credit card measurable jump. No one wants to comment on the fact that it takes a completely lazy attitude to let yourself add that weight back. Yet Powe who has a lot of BIG GAMES under his belt, doesn't complain, does the dirty work, and keeps himself in great shape just because Powe is smart enough to realize those things are necessary to win. That he isn't a good shooter and so it is smarter not to take those 18 footers. Powe did nothing but attack the rim during that stretch. Sure he wasn't his typical self, but he kept doing the things he was good at and made sure he was hustling on the boards and being aggressive.

I don't hate BBD, but I don't overlook this lack of effort at the buffet table. If he wants to just be a decent backup, then fine, but I am going to put my support behind the guy willing to give it his all on and OFF the court.


That was the first good game Leon played in a month...leon is really not that good and has been a dissapointment altogether this season...where were you after the philli game? i cant stand these Powe guys who come out after a bad game from bbd..get a life

Imagine that. Tattered is jumping in on my post to try and argue against it. I'm glad it gives you a purpose in life...

Here are the facts though:

He was 2-2 from the floor, 2-3 from the FT line, had 6 pts and 4 boards in 17 minutes against Philly. Not sure where you think that is a poor game, but okay...

He shot 53% from the floor in the month of Nov averaging 6.7 and 4.1 boards in 17 min.

He shot 52% from the floor in Dec averaging 6.3 and 3.6 in 13.5 min.

He shot 54% from Jan 1- Jan 17 averaging 6.7 pts and 5 boards in 16 min.

In February he is shooting 62.5% and averaging 7.7 pts and 5 boards in 17 min.


What you guys are using as your sample size for bad games labeling them as this season, or months at least, is a total of 7-8 games. Two of those 8 were at least considered so-so games. The guy has 5 bad games and we are going to label him as having a bad season?!

Look at BBD's stats. They are the EXACT OPPOSITE! He played like garbage in Nov, Dec, and most of January, but a hot stretch of 7-8 games and he is suddenly so much better than Powe?

THAT is the reason that I am in Powe's corner.

BTW. "Get a Life" I think is outside of the rules of the blog. Keep your personal attacks to yourself.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2009, 04:01:25 PM »

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last night i made the statement that Sasha and Fisher are the worst defensive backcourt in the league, i think Cassel and House would be just as bad.

  True, but you wouldn't have the suspense of waiting for Sasha to break out in tears.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2009, 04:12:34 PM »

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I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 






  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench? 


Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2009, 04:15:27 PM »

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Leon played good last night, but he is a joke offensively and he can't hit free throws, and i loved Leon. but you can't just look at his stats and say he had good games vs. bad games. he's also dropping passes and turning the ball over.

Leon's sole purpose should be grabbing offensive boards and putting them back in.

BBD has the potential to be more than that and has shown that he is capable in his second year, thats why he started in the absense of KG and Scal.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2009, 04:15:54 PM »

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last night i made the statement that Sasha and Fisher are the worst defensive backcourt in the league, i think Cassel and House would be just as bad.

  True, but you wouldn't have the suspense of waiting for Sasha to break out in tears.

haha TP.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2009, 04:17:06 PM »

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Leon played good last night, but he is a joke offensively and he can't hit free throws, and i loved Leon. but you can't just look at his stats and say he had good games vs. bad games. he's also dropping passes and turning the ball over.

Leon's sole purpose should be grabbing offensive boards and putting them back in.

BBD has the potential to be more than that and has shown that he is capable in his second year, thats why he started in the absense of KG and Scal.


Both Davis and Powe look good when they are on the floor with other big men.  It is when they are out there together that they have issues. 


That's why the one who Doc is favoring and getting minutes with KG or Perk tends to look better. 

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2009, 04:22:42 PM »

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I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 






  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench? 



  I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2009, 04:23:42 PM »

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wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

Re: Who is our 6th man?
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2009, 04:28:08 PM »

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wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

  If Eddie's guarding the opposing pg then what else will happen? Kobe's not going to guard himself, you know. It will just appear to be the case.
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