Missing Perk, TA not so much...

[Tr1boy]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

[BudweiserCeltic]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

I was going to make a thread on this the other day, but I thought people would look at it as ridiculous and that no real discussion will go about it so I decided not to. I can see some pros and cons that are worthy of discussion.

[crownsy]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

uh huh.

refer to my other thread, he's looked good at C for 3 games, 2 of which were against a team with no center, and the other against a rookie. scal can give you good time at the SF, and some good minutes at the PF spot. but center? LOL.

How will he be covering the following, all of whom he gives up 100-50 pounds and 5-8 inchs to without fouling  out? (he had trouble with bags when he went inside on him, and ended up fouling out in fact, and bags sucks in the post)


Howard
Yao
Bynum
duncan
shaq
bogut
Z
sheed
horford
okafor
oden


Scal was a good call at Center by doc agaisnt the raps and nets, neither team has a center who actually likes to go inside. scal is a good preimeter defender, and bags lets him do that. the nets start a rookie who's still learning the game.

A legit center we actually worry about would bend scal over his knee and spank him.

He is, as i think bud would try to argue, a good situational center, against centers who don't want to bang inside (like bags) since he's the closest thing we have to a "big" preimeter defender, but he gives up way to much height and weight to ask him to play against true centers in the post.

[Tr1boy]

Dude Scal will not cover most centers. They will be Pfs

Kg might have to cover guys like howard(which he can) and scal is a great help defender.

Plus a guy like howard is not capable to dominate offensively at games. And Shaq?? are you kidding me, he is pretty much done

With perk we get offensive rebounding and he can guard big guys one on one, but scal is a better help defender, open up the key in the offensive zone and can nail the three with consistancy

[BudweiserCeltic]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

uh huh.

refer to my other thread, he's looked good at C for 3 games, 2 of which were against a team with no center, and the other against a rookie. scal can give you good time at the SF, and some good minutes at the PF spot. but center? LOL.

How will he be covering the following, all of whom he gives up 100-50 pounds and 5-8 inchs to without fouling  out? (he had trouble with bags when he went inside on him, and ended up fouling out in fact, and bags sucks in the post)


Howard
Yao
Bynum
duncan
shaq
bogut
Z
sheed
horford
okafor
oden


Scal was a good call at Center by doc agaisnt the raps and nets, neither team has a center who actually likes to go inside. scal is a good preimeter defender, and bags lets him do that. the nets start a rookie who's still learning the game.

A legit center we actually worry about would bend scal over his knee and spank him.

He is, as i think bud would try to argue, a good situational center, against centers who don't want to bang inside (like bags) since he's the closest thing we have to a "big" preimeter defender, but he gives up way to much height and weight to ask him to play against true centers in the post.

Scal should be the PF when he's in there for Garnett, and not many teams have players that can abuse us down low. Our lack of height in the second unit instantly improves with Perk in there, so it solves that problem at the moment. We don't need to be restricted to the lineup against all teams.

Using Orlando as an example, we might miss Perk against Howard, but you still have Garnett in there who is able to guard him when he focuses (though realitically you don't want him banging with him all game long), and Scal might be a better option to guard Lewis than Garnett himself. Also considering how Doc does his rotations, Howard sees a good portion of his minutes against our second unit, and Perk will be there to help out.

It's not really as obvious as it seems to be that Perk is the clear choice for this team as currently constructed.

@triboy16f don't fool yourself in believing that Scal is a better help defender. Perk is an excellent help defender. Help defense is not the reason to make this move if needed be.

[crownsy]

Dude Scal will not cover most centers. They will be Pfs

Kg might have to cover guys like howard(which he can) and scal is a great help defender.

Plus a guy like howard is not capable to dominate offensively at games. And Shaq?? are you kidding me, he is pretty much done

With perk we get offensive rebounding and for him to guard other big guys one on one better but scal is a better help defender, open up the key in the offensive zone and can nail the three with consistancy

well Dude, Kg gets abused by true centers, thats why they play baby's 300 pounds of muscle against them with KG as the PF.

also howards not capcable of dominating a game offensivly? you've been spolied by perks good defense on him. the kid averages 20/10 a game and demands a double, its why the magic get so many open 3 pt looks. the surround howard with 4 shooters and teams HAVE to double. we are one of the only teams that doesn't, thanks to perk.

and shaq is having a monster year. 20/10 is a pretty solid average for a "done" center. I wish our center was as done as shaq. i mean, this statement is just ignorance or pure fantasy.

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

[BballTim]

Dude Scal will not cover most centers. They will be Pfs

Kg might have to cover guys like howard(which he can) and scal is a great help defender.

Plus a guy like howard is not capable to dominate offensively at games. And Shaq?? are you kidding me, he is pretty much done

With perk we get offensive rebounding and he can guard big guys one on one, but scal is a better help defender, open up the key in the offensive zone and can nail the three with consistancy

  So the plan is to wear out KG by having him guard those guys in order to get Scal into the lineup?

[Big_Matt34]

Dude Scal will not cover most centers. They will be Pfs

Kg might have to cover guys like howard(which he can) and scal is a great help defender.

Plus a guy like howard is not capable to dominate offensively at games. And Shaq?? are you kidding me, he is pretty much done

First off, KG cannot defend guys like Howard, he is not strong enough and would get dominated or foul himself out of every game.  Dwight can't dominate a game offensively? THe dude is averaging 20 ppg on 57% shooting.

Saying Shaq is pretty much done shows how much youve followed him, he is having his best season since 2005-2006, averaging 18/9 and since the start of December is averaging 21/10/2 blocks a game, yeah he is sure done  .

Perk is the PERFECT fit next to KG because he can defend strong centers and be physical, which KG cannot, thats why they play Big Baby next to KG when Perk isnt in, because he isnt strong enough to defend centers. Perk is an AWESOME help defender and has become a pretty good shotblocker too.

We were 27-2 before Perk got hurt in LA, since then the team is 5-7, I think its pretty clear who the better fit is.

[crownsy]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

uh huh.

refer to my other thread, he's looked good at C for 3 games, 2 of which were against a team with no center, and the other against a rookie. scal can give you good time at the SF, and some good minutes at the PF spot. but center? LOL.

How will he be covering the following, all of whom he gives up 100-50 pounds and 5-8 inchs to without fouling  out? (he had trouble with bags when he went inside on him, and ended up fouling out in fact, and bags sucks in the post)


Howard
Yao
Bynum
duncan
shaq
bogut
Z
sheed
horford
okafor
oden


Scal was a good call at Center by doc agaisnt the raps and nets, neither team has a center who actually likes to go inside. scal is a good preimeter defender, and bags lets him do that. the nets start a rookie who's still learning the game.

A legit center we actually worry about would bend scal over his knee and spank him.

He is, as i think bud would try to argue, a good situational center, against centers who don't want to bang inside (like bags) since he's the closest thing we have to a "big" preimeter defender, but he gives up way to much height and weight to ask him to play against true centers in the post.

Scal should be the PF when he's in there for Garnett, and not many teams have players that can abuse us down low. Our lack of height in the second unit instantly improves with Perk in there, so it solves that problem at the moment. We don't need to be restricted to the lineup against all teams.

Using Orlando as an example, we might miss Perk against Howard, but you still have Garnett in there who is able to guard him when he focuses (though realitically you don't want him banging with him all game long), and Scal might be a better option to guard Lewis than Garnett himself. Also considering how Doc does his rotations, Howard sees a good portion of his minutes against our second unit, and Perk will be there to help out.

It's not really as obvious as it seems to be that Perk is the clear choice for this team as currently constructed.

agree to disagree, KG, imo, can not cover legitimate centers in the bloc anymore.

Scal is a good option at SF and limited PF, on that we agree. But tri's point was that scal should start at center, which would be awful.

the best option is for danny to fix our lack of bench legth and toughness. quickly.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Cant believe i'm saying this but scal is actually a better fit for our starting unit than perk. What scal does is get the pf/c assiged to cover him out of the key and that opens space for kg to operate inside, and the other three players to drive(especially rondo)who score or pass. Scal hasn't been guarded too good lately and has made other teams pay with the three.

Perk should come off the bench and prob will be able to dominate 2nd units of other teams consistantly.

Tony Allen is looking more and more like a bad signing for us. I still think he is a good player but his lack of shot doesn't help us. He is also becoming injury prone i thought that would happen.

2nd unit i like to see on the floor

perk
powe/davis
walker
pruitt
house

and near the end of the game if scal is not a viable option, play davis or powe with the starters

uh huh.

refer to my other thread, he's looked good at C for 3 games, 2 of which were against a team with no center, and the other against a rookie. scal can give you good time at the SF, and some good minutes at the PF spot. but center? LOL.

How will he be covering the following, all of whom he gives up 100-50 pounds and 5-8 inchs to without fouling  out? (he had trouble with bags when he went inside on him, and ended up fouling out in fact, and bags sucks in the post)


Howard
Yao
Bynum
duncan
shaq
bogut
Z
sheed
horford
okafor
oden


Scal was a good call at Center by doc agaisnt the raps and nets, neither team has a center who actually likes to go inside. scal is a good preimeter defender, and bags lets him do that. the nets start a rookie who's still learning the game.

A legit center we actually worry about would bend scal over his knee and spank him.

He is, as i think bud would try to argue, a good situational center, against centers who don't want to bang inside (like bags) since he's the closest thing we have to a "big" preimeter defender, but he gives up way to much height and weight to ask him to play against true centers in the post.

Scal should be the PF when he's in there for Garnett, and not many teams have players that can abuse us down low. Our lack of height in the second unit instantly improves with Perk in there, so it solves that problem at the moment. We don't need to be restricted to the lineup against all teams.

Using Orlando as an example, we might miss Perk against Howard, but you still have Garnett in there who is able to guard him when he focuses (though realitically you don't want him banging with him all game long), and Scal might be a better option to guard Lewis than Garnett himself. Also considering how Doc does his rotations, Howard sees a good portion of his minutes against our second unit, and Perk will be there to help out.

It's not really as obvious as it seems to be that Perk is the clear choice for this team as currently constructed.

agree to disagree, KG, imo, can not cover legitimate centers in the bloc anymore.

I think he can hold himself quite well against opposing Centers just as good as most decent defenders in the position. Maybe spoiled a bit by how good Perk is defending the position that it makes Garnett look bad?

I think the most important part here is how a rotation in this setup would look considering Doc's sub pattern.

Let's stay with Orlando. We start with Scal. First substitution would be either Davis for Scal, removing Garnett from Howard for the time being. Next sub is Perk for Garnett, and should be fully capable of playing all of the 2nd quarter (where there'll be a healthy dosage of Howard, when usually Howard has used the 2nd unit to go off).

You can apply this to the 3rd and 4th quarter, and you'll find yourself with Perk helping our 2nd unit's defense and sticking around with our first unit to finish off the game.

[Tr1boy]

With perk our offense was suffering(After the 19 game winning streak). What most teams don't realize is that to have a good chance to beat us, all you ahve to do is play rondo against the drive and double team the big three. Usually when rondo can't drive he passes to pierce and he plays one on one basketball which kills lets say the team bloodflow.

And also why would you need to double team howard?? let him take his turnaround jumpers all he wants. He is mainly good for alley hoops and easy pass dunks.

Honestly fine against a team like orlando our defense might suffer a bit more not having perk on the court. But still our offense will be much better with scal opening things up

matter of fact none of you have argued that perk is better for our offense than scal. And i dont' think having scal on defense is a liability

[crownsy]

thats just tinkering for no reason IMO though. what if howard gets KG in foul trouble by pushing the low post game? It's easier to sub around perk, by bringing KG over to cover Howard and playing leon,baby or scal at the four than it is to try to cover for KG being out a half.

also, it screws with Perk and KG's defensive chemistry, which has been great for us.



the real thing that needs to be fixed, asap, is by danny. We need legth off the bench.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Scal is a good option at SF and limited PF, on that we agree. But tri's point was that scal should start at center, which would be awful.

I hate Scal as a SF. He's more useful as the perimeter PF. If that doesn't work for him, he shouldn't be on the floor. That's his biggest asset to our team in my opinion.

the best option is for danny to fix our lack of bench legth and toughness. quickly.

Until that happens...

[Tr1boy]

i feel like i'm on replay mode.

Sometimes defense thrives the offense and sometimes offense thrives the defense. Why not have as close to both as possible

Perk is killing our offensive bloodflow. Read my point above. If Rondo could shoot consistantly i'd also rather have perk start

honestly the orlando argument is far and few in between. If you think about there aren't many good centers in the league. If it makes everyone happy you can play perk/davis mostly against orlando but for most of the other teams, using scal with the starters does us alot better

[crownsy]

With perk our offense was suffering(After the 19 game winning streak). What most teams don't realize is that to have a good chance to beat us, all you ahve to do is play rondo against the drive and double team the big three. Usually when rondo can't drive he passes to pierce and he plays one on one basketball which kills lets say the team bloodflow.

And also why would you need to double team howard?? let him take his turnaround jumpers all he wants. He is mainly good for alley hoops and easy pass dunks.

Honestly fine against a team like orlando our defense might suffer a bit more not having perk on the court. But still our offense will be much better with scal opening things up

matter of fact none of you have argued that perk is better for our offense than scal. And i dont' think having scal on defense is a liability

ok, you clearly don't watch dwight howard. if you think all he does against one on one defense is turnaround jumpers. His move agsint scal would be to back him down and stuff it down his throat since scal is 8 inches taller than him and 100 pounds of muscle heavier. I cant even take you seriously here if you think a one on one by 90% of the defenders in the league turning howard into a jump shooter and his entire game is alley opps.

also, why on earth would i argue the offensive aspects of scal vs perk? we win because of our defense, and scal at center against legit bigs is not worth the loss to defense, that you even admit we would suffer.

This move stinks so much of over panic due to a slump its unreal ****.