Missing Perk, TA not so much...

[crownsy]

i feel like i'm on replay mode.

Perk is killing our offensive bloodflow!. Read my point above.

Sometimes defense thrives the offense and sometimes offense thrives the defense. Why not have as close to both as possible

honestly the orlando argument is far and few in between. If you think about there aren't many good centers in the league. If it makes everyone happy you can play perk/davis mostly against orlando but for most of the other teams, using scal with the starters does us alot better

you started the orlando argument. if you would like to move on to one of the other top flight centers on a potential playoff oppoenet, feel free.

also, i agree there arent that many good centers in the league, thats why i only listed about 8. You might notice most of them are on  playoff teams however, so we will be seeing them when it counts.

[Tr1boy]

With perk our offense was suffering(After the 19 game winning streak). What most teams don't realize is that to have a good chance to beat us, all you ahve to do is play rondo against the drive and double team the big three. Usually when rondo can't drive he passes to pierce and he plays one on one basketball which kills lets say the team bloodflow.

And also why would you need to double team howard?? let him take his turnaround jumpers all he wants. He is mainly good for alley hoops and easy pass dunks.

Honestly fine against a team like orlando our defense might suffer a bit more not having perk on the court. But still our offense will be much better with scal opening things up

matter of fact none of you have argued that perk is better for our offense than scal. And i dont' think having scal on defense is a liability

ok, you clearly don't watch dwight howard. if you think all he does against one on one defense is turnaround jumpers. His move agsint scal would be to back him down and stuff it down his throat since scal is 8 inches taller than him and 100 pounds of muscle heavier. I cant even take you seriously here if you think a one on one by 90% of the defenders in the league turning howard into a jump shooter and his entire game is alley opps.

also, why on earth would i argue the offensive aspects of scal vs perk? we win because of our defense, and scal at center against legit bigs is not worth the loss to defense, that you even admit we would suffer.

are you serious ?? the past 7 games or so our offense has been hurting so badly our defense started to stink. You can't only win with pure defense in the nba.

Scal has made this team alot better on the offensive end and hasn't hurt us defensively lately(i like to test this theory against better teams than toronto or nj). When you open up the key that is huge for guys like rondo, pierce and allen. Rondo can penetrate, score or pass and guys like pierce and allen can utilize their inside outside game.

[crownsy]

With perk our offense was suffering(After the 19 game winning streak). What most teams don't realize is that to have a good chance to beat us, all you ahve to do is play rondo against the drive and double team the big three. Usually when rondo can't drive he passes to pierce and he plays one on one basketball which kills lets say the team bloodflow.

And also why would you need to double team howard?? let him take his turnaround jumpers all he wants. He is mainly good for alley hoops and easy pass dunks.

Honestly fine against a team like orlando our defense might suffer a bit more not having perk on the court. But still our offense will be much better with scal opening things up

matter of fact none of you have argued that perk is better for our offense than scal. And i dont' think having scal on defense is a liability

ok, you clearly don't watch dwight howard. if you think all he does against one on one defense is turnaround jumpers. His move agsint scal would be to back him down and stuff it down his throat since scal is 8 inches taller than him and 100 pounds of muscle heavier. I cant even take you seriously here if you think a one on one by 90% of the defenders in the league turning howard into a jump shooter and his entire game is alley opps.

also, why on earth would i argue the offensive aspects of scal vs perk? we win because of our defense, and scal at center against legit bigs is not worth the loss to defense, that you even admit we would suffer.

are you serious ?? the past 7 games or so our offense has been hurting so badly our defense started to stink. You can't only win with pure defense in the nba.

Scal has made this team alot better on the offensive end lately. When you open up the key that is huge for guys like rondo, pierce and allen. Rondo can penetrate, score or pass and guys like pierce and allen can utilize their inside outside game.

again, latley is three games, 2 of them against a team without a center, one against a rookie. not compelling.

i mean, bill walker looked great in 12 minutes last night, lets switch our entire rotation around thre as well. thats the same kind of logic your using here.

I have a better idea than neutering or entire defense over a 7 game slump. how about we just play better like we were during the first 28 games?

The rondo defense your rolling out has your main point been around since about second month of last year, contrary to espn's belief that phil jackson invented it. teams get scouting reports. When rajon plays well, which he didnt during the slump, it doesn't work. when he struggles, it does.

[EJPLAYA]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

[crownsy]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

my fault then, i still don't think scal > perk is a good call.

Tp for catching me though, i could have sworn he was shooting like 32%.

[BudweiserCeltic]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

my fault then, i still don't think scal > perk is a good call.

Tp for catching me though, i could have sworn he was shooting like 32%.

I myself don't think that Scal > Perk. I do think that the change in how our rotations go about have more positives than negatives. I also don't believe this is an all or nothing thing. There are certainly different type of opponents where one thing would work better than another.

[crownsy]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

my fault then, i still don't think scal > perk is a good call.

Tp for catching me though, i could have sworn he was shooting like 32%.

I myself don't think that Scal > Perk. I do think that the change in how our rotations go about have more positives than negatives. I also don't believe this is an all or nothing thing. There are certainly different type of opponents where one thing would work better than another.

yea, as i said, situationaly (like against the raps, who dont play a low post center anyway) scals a good call. but to start scal over perk every game to weaken our defense for our offense to be better? no thanks.

[BudweiserCeltic]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

my fault then, i still don't think scal > perk is a good call.

Tp for catching me though, i could have sworn he was shooting like 32%.

I myself don't think that Scal > Perk. I do think that the change in how our rotations go about have more positives than negatives. I also don't believe this is an all or nothing thing. There are certainly different type of opponents where one thing would work better than another.

yea, as i said, situationaly (like against the raps, who dont play a low post center anyway) scals a good call. but to start scal over perk every game to weaken our defense for our offense to be better? no thanks.

The thing is that I'm not entirely bought in our defense getting worse. The drop in our first unit defense, while Scal is in there, could be more than made up for in how our defense improves in the 2nd unit and nothing will stop Perk from sticking around with the first unit once they come back on the floor if needed be.

[EJPLAYA]

also, how is brian shooting percentage on 3's, which is sniffing 30% at the moment, consistant from 3?

Bad stat Crownsy. Scal's 3% this year is barely under 40%. Very respectable, in fact he is second on the team only behind PP. (not including BBD and his 1-2  numbers)

my fault then, i still don't think scal > perk is a good call.

Tp for catching me though, i could have sworn he was shooting like 32%.

I am 100% in agreement about Perk over Scal though as well! (one of the purposes of the thread) Scal has played extremely well in this stretch IMO, but he isn't Perk. I'll take Perk's rebounds and defense at the rim all day long over Scal stretching the floor. TP right back at you!

[BudweiserCeltic]

Why does this have to be a Scal vs. Perk thing instead of debating where they might be more useful as our team is currently constructed?

[crownsy]

Why does this have to be a Scal vs. Perk thing instead of debating where they might be more useful as our team is currently constructed?

because Tri's post was to start Scal over perk at the center spot?

I mean, i think if you want to debate the situational merits of scal getting some minutes there against certain teams, thats a good debate.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Why does this have to be a Scal vs. Perk thing instead of debating where they might be more useful as our team is currently constructed?

because Tri's post was to start Scal over perk at the center spot?

I mean, i think if you want to debate the situational merits of scal getting some minutes there against certain teams, thats a good debate.

Lol, that's what I've been trying debate. And I disagree with things that Tri is saying. Perk has helped us a ton this year offensively through stretches. Many games he has carried the load early on. But it's quite truthful that our stars seem to play better with the space, and while improving other aspects of our team with having Perk elsewhere, having a PF that can stretch the floor is not a bad tradeoff at all, especially when he plays pretty good help defense.

[crownsy]

Why does this have to be a Scal vs. Perk thing instead of debating where they might be more useful as our team is currently constructed?

because Tri's post was to start Scal over perk at the center spot?

I mean, i think if you want to debate the situational merits of scal getting some minutes there against certain teams, thats a good debate.

Lol, that's what I've been trying debate. And I disagree with things that Tri is saying. Perk has helped us a ton this year offensively through stretches. Many games he has carried the load early on. But it's quite truthful that our stars seem to play better with the space, and while improving other aspects of our team with having Perk elsewhere, having a PF that can stretch the floor is not a bad tradeoff at all, especially when he plays pretty good help defense.

yea, and i certainly would like to see that against alot of teams, doubly so when rondo isn't playing well. Scal provides something at the PF we lack, a good PF premiter defender. If you look at when we give up runs to teams, i tend to think alot of them come when a shooter is playing the PF for the other club, because powe and baby are better interior defenders than wing defenders. Pose could do both, and while scal may not be pose, he does a good job contesting jump shots.

He also spreads the floor alot. I actually would not be opposed to this lineup at times to punish teams that try to go small to get us strung out.

Pierce-scal-perk/KG

I think scal ould really hurt a team going small here, he could shoot over the top and destroy a smaller preimiter shooter playing PF on defense, which powe and baby can't do outside.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Why does this have to be a Scal vs. Perk thing instead of debating where they might be more useful as our team is currently constructed?

because Tri's post was to start Scal over perk at the center spot?

I mean, i think if you want to debate the situational merits of scal getting some minutes there against certain teams, thats a good debate.

Lol, that's what I've been trying debate. And I disagree with things that Tri is saying. Perk has helped us a ton this year offensively through stretches. Many games he has carried the load early on. But it's quite truthful that our stars seem to play better with the space, and while improving other aspects of our team with having Perk elsewhere, having a PF that can stretch the floor is not a bad tradeoff at all, especially when he plays pretty good help defense.

yea, and i certainly would like to see that against alot of teams, doubly so when rondo isn't playing well. Scal provides something at the PF we lack, a good PF premiter defender. If you look at when we give up runs to teams, i tend to think alot of them come when a shooter is playing the PF for the other club, because powe and baby are better interior defenders than wing defenders. Pose could do both, and while scal may not be pose, he does a good job contesting jump shots.

He also spreads the floor alot. I actually would not be opposed to this lineup at times to punish teams that try to go small to get us strung out.

Pierce-scal-perk/KG

I think scal ould really hurt a team going small here, he could shoot over the top and destroy a smaller preimiter shooter playing PF on defense, which powe and baby can't do outside.

That's partly the reason I was using the Orlando example. Just as Howard might hurt us without Perk, their PF's perimeter game makes it hard for Garnett to defend effectively. Like Ray Allen says, pick your poison and I'm not scared of the Garnett-Howard match, if Garnett gets some quick fouls, you simply move him away no big deal in my opinion. But if he defends well, the payoff should be quite good. The "what if" game can be played both ways.

The 5-man unit pattern that Doc coaching style has makes the suggested switch a good move in my opinion. Davis and Powe are back to their natural positions at the 4, getting their playing time as deemed appropiate by Doc.

[Tr1boy]

remeber something too crownsy we beat toronto twice and nj but we lost to those type of teams during that last 5 games before that. Perk was also playing his heart out before his shoulder injury.

I loved it when we won 19 in a row but i was dumbfounded that teams wouldn't just clog up the middle and dare rondo to shoot more(so they could have the best chance to beat us). If you watched the LA game you saw with bynum and gasol patrolling the paint with their pg double teamining anyone else thats not named perk, rondo. The flow of our defense was good but on the offensive end it became static. So we eventually lost the game

Also getting outstrategized on the offensive end we also got our butts whipped on the defensive end during the next few games against teams we should beat. The reason was that other teams were playing smaller and perk couldn't keep up

Scal i agree won't be the best player to have out most of the time against a team like orlando. But having him out there with the starting unit(not 2nd unit like usual) also confuses other teams defensive sets.(mixing it up with perk and scal in the lineup)

If i were doc(the moron) i would really like what scal is giving you currently.(we win when he starts, its the plain out truth from past and current) And i would start him in the 1st and 3rd quarter (also some part of the 4th depending how hot is during the game) and have perk play alot of the rest game