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The celtics are missing a leader
« on: January 09, 2009, 10:35:13 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

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Big three are great individual talent but none of them are imo franchise type players who can carry a team not only by talent but influencial leadership, sacrifice.

When you see kg pounding his chest, cheering other guys when the celtics are winning thats all great but during this crappy streak he hasn't done that nor encouraged the other players much.

Dannys inability to sign posey is looking worst and worst for the org.

i'd like celtics to do whatever possible to get a leader even if that means trading perking, giddens, walker for example.

It is rare to expect the celtics to have three good players like pp, kg, ra in starters health, in one team again.

Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 10:37:02 PM »

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It's a shame we've got one sitting on the bench logging zero minutes all year.

It's equally (and perhaps more so) a shame that one just got arrested for DUI.

It's even more so a shame that one is in exile on a division rival....
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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 10:37:49 PM »

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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 10:38:26 PM »

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It's a shame we've got one sitting on the bench logging zero minutes all year.

It's equally (and perhaps more so) a shame that one just got arrested for DUI.

It's even more so a shame that one is in exile on a division rival....

You lost me on the Division Rival one.  Little help?

Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 10:41:53 PM »

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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 10:42:45 PM »

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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 10:43:29 PM »

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Big three are great individual talent but none of them are imo franchise type players who can carry a team not only by talent but influencial leadership, sacrifice.

When you see kg pounding his chest, cheering other guys when the celtics are winning thats all great but during this crappy streak he hasn't done that nor encouraged the other players much.

Dannys inability to sign posey is looking worst and worst for the org.

i'd like celtics to do whatever possible to get a leader even if that means trading perking, giddens, walker for example.

It is rare to expect the celtics to have three good players like pp, kg, ra in starters health, in one team again.

this CANT be on James Posey! this is getting ridiculous, posey was a big role player in us winning the championship its not like he's right behind john havlicek at the best 6th man in celtics history.

we cant beat charlotte without posey?
we cant beat the knicks without him?
in the beginning of the year we were letting teams stay in the game, teams that we should have been blowing out.
this isn't on the loss of one player, this is all attitude, the celtics have NO mental toughness and that needs to change before the next game. and it doesn't have to change through trading scal TA and (insert player) for some over the hill big man. THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW needs to step up and show somebody that they care, because right now you couln'd convince me that they do at all.

Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 10:45:08 PM »

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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 10:45:14 PM »

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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 10:45:52 PM »

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Big three are great individual talent but none of them are imo franchise type players who can carry a team not only by talent but influencial leadership, sacrifice.

When you see kg pounding his chest, cheering other guys when the celtics are winning thats all great but during this crappy streak he hasn't done that nor encouraged the other players much.

Dannys inability to sign posey is looking worst and worst for the org.

i'd like celtics to do whatever possible to get a leader even if that means trading perking, giddens, walker for example.

It is rare to expect the celtics to have three good players like pp, kg, ra in starters health, in one team again.

uhhhhh....

lemme address this in pieces.


Big three are great individual talent but none of them are imo franchise type players who can carry a team not only by talent but influencial leadership, sacrifice.

Pierce led us all through last season, especially the playoffs. He has been scoring consistently throughout this slump. The fact that we are losing has nothing to do with lack of leadership.

Especially since we have KG, who is an impassioned leader who inspired a team that was almost dead-last in every defense category to become the best defensive team in the league last year.

When you see kg pounding his chest, cheering other guys when the celtics are winning thats all great but during this crappy streak he hasn't done that nor encouraged the other players much.



He only pounds his chest when the C's are winning because that's the only time he gets overcome with the adrenaline of success. He works incredibly hard out on the court, and when he knows his effort have brought his team a win, he lets loose with a torrent of primal emotion.

There is nothing to cheer most of the other players on for. They have been playing horribly for the most part.

Dannys inability to sign posey is looking worst and worst for the org.

It was not an inability to sign Posey. It was a strategic decision. Had the Cetlics offered Posey 1 more year on his deal, he would have stayed with the C's. Instead, Danny let him walk because we will need the cap flexibility to reload our team in the future. He made the decision to try to extend our window as an elite team. I agree we miss Posey, but not as much as we miss PJ.

i'd like celtics to do whatever possible to get a leader even if that means trading perking, giddens, walker for example.

Trading Giddens and Walker would never bring us a leader in return. They are bottom feeding players. Hopefully one day they can be more, but right now there is just no chance any team would make a deal like Chauncey Billups for Giddens, Walker and Scal. Those guys have no value to the rest of the league.

And I would NEVER trade Perk. NEVER.

It is rare to expect the celtics to have three good players like pp, kg, ra in starters health, in one team again.

I don't really understand this point... what are you trying to say? We won't remain healthy?
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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 10:48:20 PM »

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It's a shame we've got one sitting on the bench logging zero minutes all year.

It's equally (and perhaps more so) a shame that one just got arrested for DUI.

It's even more so a shame that one is in exile on a division rival....

You lost me on the Division Rival one.  Little help?

Not sure if that's rhetorical, but Starbury.  And yes, I believe him to be a leader (on the court).
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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 10:58:41 PM »

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It's a shame we've got one sitting on the bench logging zero minutes all year.

It's equally (and perhaps more so) a shame that one just got arrested for DUI.

It's even more so a shame that one is in exile on a division rival....

You lost me on the Division Rival one.  Little help?

Not sure if that's rhetorical, but Starbury.  And yes, I believe him to be a leader (on the court).

Oh right.  I just wasn't thinking.

Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 11:00:56 PM »

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Big three are great individual talent but none of them are imo franchise type players who can carry a team not only by talent but influencial leadership, sacrifice.

When you see kg pounding his chest, cheering other guys when the celtics are winning thats all great but during this crappy streak he hasn't done that nor encouraged the other players much.

Dannys inability to sign posey is looking worst and worst for the org.

i'd like celtics to do whatever possible to get a leader even if that means trading perking, giddens, walker for example.

It is rare to expect the celtics to have three good players like pp, kg, ra in starters health, in one team again.

this CANT be on James Posey! this is getting ridiculous, posey was a big role player in us winning the championship its not like he's right behind john havlicek at the best 6th man in celtics history.

we cant beat charlotte without posey?
we cant beat the knicks without him?
in the beginning of the year we were letting teams stay in the game, teams that we should have been blowing out.
this isn't on the loss of one player, this is all attitude, the celtics have NO mental toughness and that needs to change before the next game. and it doesn't have to change through trading scal TA and (insert player) for some over the hill big man. THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW needs to step up and show somebody that they care, because right now you couln'd convince me that they do at all.

Of course we can beat the knicks , charlotte, anybody on a good day. But right now our confidence is at the level of the 2006 celtics.

do you remember posey hugging and encouraging each player last year during the playoffs?? who knows what he said but we played every single position as it was our last.

That is pure leadership to me. If we had him also perk wouldn't play 4th quarter(to me he can't handle to frantic paced game) and posey and ray allen could kill you with threes.

I don't care about strategic decision, honestly you could have signed him to a 3 year 25 million dollar deal if thats what it took and it would have been worth it even if he was only good for two of those years.

We have no freaking leader, we have a clutch guy in pierce, intense guy in kg, three point extrodinaire in ray allen a good for nothing coach in doc rivers but no leader

It really pains me to watch anymore celtics games lately and tonights loss to the cavs was embarressing as heck. (not actually losing but playing stupid turning the ball over a million times, lack of defense pressure etc)

Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 11:44:06 PM »

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Usually a point guard tends to be a team leader, but it is tough when yours is only 22 in his second year starting. Give it time and it should come. PP should be the one leading this team, however. But it seems as though he can be selfish at times  and not a team player. KG's fire  is what you need in a leader, but in game situations i dont think he can  control the team. Paul needs to step up and take the role.

Also, it is hard to just trade for a leader. A leader needs to be respected by the team and know what he is doing on the court. Just bringing someone in, that probably wouldnt start, would not help this situation much...
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Re: The celtics are missing a leader
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2009, 12:12:03 AM »

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I agree, and I never want to hear again how great a leader KG is...hes an act, plain and simple.
I remember laughing when i was watching the Hornets training camp on NBAtv and someone bringing up the fact that Posey was secretly the leader of the celtics and the guy who pushed them to play hard every night and get better in practice - Not KG...I at times noticed this myself last season but denied it...whos laughing now?
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