KG Schooling Patty

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you could say the same thing about pierce... i don't see him hustling up the floor like garnett; he's always the trailer as seen by tonight when he got the 3's.

[Atzar]

The Bradley people think he's lazy, too.

That's at least six years of lazy, fellas.

But, of course, they're all wrong and Doc should roll him out there and turn the NBA loose on him. That's just absurd. It's time to get your arms around the fact that Ainge makes mistakes, and this is one of them.

We need a "shaking head sadly" emoticon.

The guy hasn't yet panned out. He needs to be exactly where he is:  warming the bench until Doc thinks he can contribute.

Fixed.  It's too early to pass judgment on a kid at a position that is notorious for taking a long time to learn.  He's 22.  Doc said during an interview that he 'hoped O'Bryant could contribute by the end of the year.'  That spoke volumes about what they expect from this kid this year. 

I also wouldn't call this a mistake by Danny Ainge.  It was a low-risk, high-reward move that hardly sets the C's back at all if it doesn't work out but could pay large dividends if it ends up working out.  I thought - and still think - that it was an intelligent risk (POB's talent is undeniable and you can't teach length) on Danny's part and that stance won't change even if he doesn't work out.

I actually think that Patrick's been busting his butt when he gets playing time, and therein lies most of his problem - his mental quickness hasn't caught up with him yet, and he makes stupid plays by trying too hard to make something happen.  The effort, at the least, is a good sign.  Hopefully he'll improve and start to get some playing time as (if) his mind catches up with him. 

[BrickJames]

The Bradley people think he's lazy, too.

That's at least six years of lazy, fellas.

But, of course, they're all wrong and Doc should roll him out there and turn the NBA loose on him. That's just absurd. It's time to get your arms around the fact that Ainge makes mistakes, and this is one of them.

We need a "shaking head sadly" emoticon.

The guy hasn't yet panned out. He needs to be exactly where he is:  warming the bench until Doc thinks he can contribute.

Fixed.  It's too early to pass judgment on a kid at a position that is notorious for taking a long time to learn.  He's 22.  Doc said during an interview that he 'hoped O'Bryant could contribute by the end of the year.'  That spoke volumes about what they expect from this kid this year. 

I also wouldn't call this a mistake by Danny Ainge.  It was a low-risk, high-reward move that hardly sets the C's back at all if it doesn't work out but could pay large dividends if it ends up working out.  I thought - and still think - that it was an intelligent risk (POB's talent is undeniable and you can't teach length) on Danny's part and that stance won't change even if he doesn't work out.

I actually think that Patrick's been busting his butt when he gets playing time, and therein lies most of his problem - his mental quickness hasn't caught up with him yet, and he makes stupid plays by trying too hard to make something happen.  The effort, at the least, is a good sign.  Hopefully he'll improve and start to get some playing time as (if) his mind catches up with him. 

Does anyone else think that he was acquired (cheaply, at that) for the sole purpose of a bench presence that can challenge the shot of tall/long centers? (ahem..Bynum)

[Binky-King]

Does anyone else think that he was acquired (cheaply, at that) for the sole purpose of a bench presence that can challenge the shot of tall/long centers? (ahem..Bynum)

No, and why would the Celtics specifically acquire anyone for Bynum given his stature in the league and their history against him?

O'Bryant was strictly a low risk high reward guy, Danny thought he'd develop quickly being around Garnett, Perkins & Clifford.

[BrickJames]

thought he'd develop quickly being around Garnett, Perkins & Clifford.

Develop quickly around Perkins...heh, good one   

Yes one wonders why POB is on our bench...

[Finkelskyhook]

you could say the same thing about pierce... i don't see him hustling up the floor like garnett; he's always the trailer as seen by tonight when he got the 3's.

How many centers are the first people down the court?   Especially offensively. Or the second? David Robinson or Robert Parish.  Only because they were the best running centers ever... They could secure the rebound and still beat people down on the break.  If O'Bryant is , a person should be really concerned.  Since O'Bryant appears to be more of a traditional center, he should be trailing.  I'd be real concerned if he were leading the break.

It's unlikely he'll play unless somebody gets injured.  He's a rookie for Rivers.  When has he ever played rookies this early?  Even when the rookie was the better player?

[QuinielaBox]

I don't recall Doc or anyone on the Celtics ever saying POB was lazy. I do remember Doc saying there was Patrick speed, and then there was Celtics speed and that POB was not yet at that higher speed. That's different from being lazy though.

Is this physical speed or mental speed or both?

I admire KG trying to bring up Patrick. Perhaps this speaks to the urgency created by getting pushed around in Portland. Honestly, Outlaw posterizing KG was not a pleasing sight to Celtics fans. We lost in Golden State without Perkins in the lineup so that is an indicator that things are amiss with the big man crew.

Darko Milicic took forever to get going in this league and he is on his third team and I am still not terribly impressed with Darko. Is Patrick O'Bryant following the same career path?

Does Mark Blount even get any stints anymore?

[Binky-King]

thought he'd develop quickly being around Garnett, Perkins & Clifford.

Develop quickly around Perkins...heh, good one   

Yes one wonders why POB is on our bench...

I don't know why that's funny, I don't know anyone who questions the work ethic & tenacity of Perkins.

POB being on our bench isn't a wonder, it's the same reason why he was on the bench in Golden State, at some point you have to look in the mirror.

[gar]

For those of you who say POB sucks or is lazy, I would like to know, based on what?

I second, third, and fourth that motion.  No rookie (which is essentially what O'Bryant is) has ever played the first half of the season under Rivers no matter how good he is. 

Don Nelson, Chris Mullin, and Doc have all said POB is lazy.  For three years, a 7-footer with some modicum of offensive talent has sat on the bench for two different teams that desperately needed a pivot.

Now, it could be that both the Warriors and the Celtics have something personal against POB, or it could be that he's a lazy waste of space who doesn't put in the work necessary to maximize his talent.

Wow, Will never understand this coming from the voice of reason and respect. True there has never been much love for POB on this Blog; but the above simply does not add up. Doc never said he was lazy. Nelly has limited patience for big men especially "slow" ones of which POB is not the only one. It has always puzzled me how little sense there is of the physical problems often experienced by tall individuals in a big men's sport. Perhaps there are those that think this is a waste of a thread; however, no one has said he is not working or that he is not trying - if so do you really think KG would have waited this long to get in his face. Don't understand why people are so quick to judge a developing young big who we got for nothing and is not taking up space unless there is someone to fill it - so your recommendation is?

Courtney Sims?

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Tommy made a great point last night. Do you guys really think KG would waste his time trying to teach someone he thinks has no potential? He must see something in the kid to want to try to personally teach him.

[Chris]

Tommy made a great point last night. Do you guys really think KG would waste his time trying to teach someone he thinks has no potential? He must see something in the kid to want to try to personally teach him.

Fair enough.  But that doesn't mean he has any chance of meeting his potential this year.

Honestly, I could care less about whether he is Lazy, or the hardest working player in the history of the world.  All I care about is whether he is good enough to play Center for the World Champion Celtics this year.  So far, all evidence points to NO.

[EJPLAYA]

Tommy made a great point last night. Do you guys really think KG would waste his time trying to teach someone he thinks has no potential? He must see something in the kid to want to try to personally teach him.

Fair enough.  But that doesn't mean he has any chance of meeting his potential this year.

Honestly, I could care less about whether he is Lazy, or the hardest working player in the history of the world.  All I care about is whether he is good enough to play Center for the World Champion Celtics this year.  So far, all evidence points to NO.

I am not sure how you can say that there is no evidence that the guy can't come in and be productive.?! Every time I see him on the floor he is getting a rebound, blocking a shot, scoring. Yes I know it is against their second unit, but that is exactly what we are asking him to do. If it is only for his shot blocking and rebounding I think he brings us something that BBD can't. I even think I saw a little more effort last night to rotate defensively. I think it is a valid discussion that he can play that role, but stating that he has not done anything well that would show a sign of being capable isn't accurate.

BBD last night - 18 min - 2 pts 1 reb, 1 assist (did like the three steals)
POB last night - 6 min - 4 pts, 3 reb and 1 assist.

If you had never seen either play or heard anything about them you'd sure think that POB was the better player. As I have said before, he has a lot of things he needs to work on, but he fills out that stat sheet every time he is given the chance.

[nickagneta]

Tommy made a great point last night. Do you guys really think KG would waste his time trying to teach someone he thinks has no potential? He must see something in the kid to want to try to personally teach him.

Fair enough.  But that doesn't mean he has any chance of meeting his potential this year.

Honestly, I could care less about whether he is Lazy, or the hardest working player in the history of the world.  All I care about is whether he is good enough to play Center for the World Champion Celtics this year.  So far, all evidence points to NO.

I am not sure how you can say that there is no evidence that the guy can't come in and be productive.?! Every time I see him on the floor he is getting a rebound, blocking a shot, scoring. Yes I know it is against their second unit, but that is exactly what we are asking him to do. If it is only for his shot blocking and rebounding I think he brings us something that BBD can't. I even think I saw a little more effort last night to rotate defensively. I think it is a valid discussion that he can play that role, but stating that he has not done anything well that would show a sign of being capable isn't accurate.

BBD last night - 18 min - 2 pts 1 reb, 1 assist (did like the three steals)
POB last night - 6 min - 4 pts, 3 reb and 1 assist.

If you had never seen either play or heard anything about them you'd sure think that POB was the better player. As I have said before, he has a lot of things he needs to work on, but he fills out that stat sheet every time he is given the chance.

Come on EJ!!!

Dude, you have a good argument and I don't necessarily agree with it but using last night stats as a gauge is ridiculous and you know it. Baby played during meaningful minutes in the game and helped in building a lead that eventually got so large and was still so large with so little time left in the game that finally Doc felt confident enough that he could put O'Bryant in without it costing him a game.

And that more than any stat you can throw this way is the reason POB sits until it is virtually impossible for him to screw up so bad that it costs the C's a game and why Baby plays meaningful minutes that actually contribute positively to wins.

[Finkelskyhook]

 

Tommy made a great point last night. Do you guys really think KG would waste his time trying to teach someone he thinks has no potential? He must see something in the kid to want to try to personally teach him.

Fair enough.  But that doesn't mean he has any chance of meeting his potential this year.

Honestly, I could care less about whether he is Lazy, or the hardest working player in the history of the world.  All I care about is whether he is good enough to play Center for the World Champion Celtics this year.  So far, all evidence points to NO.

Do you really think, Chris, that Danny had visions of O'Bryant, a lottery pick who couldn't get a contract for more than the NBA minimum, making a significant contribution to a world championship team?  

I can't fathom that anybody in the Celtics' organization had even an inkling of that when they signed O'Bryant.

I'm further amazed that anybody thought that Garnett's mere presence would instantly turn O'Bryant into a starting NBA center.  Garnett has no history of that.  

I maintain that we won't know anything about O'Bryant until after mid-season and this, and any other thread about O'Bryant is a venture into nothingness.

I keep hearing about Courtney Sims.  If Sims is that good and O'Bryant is that bad, why has no NBA team picked up Sims?  Why is O'Bryant still on an NBA roster?  Let alone the world champion's roster?  Just wonderin'

[cordobes]

I understand the low risk, but how high is the reward? Exactly how good do you project POB to be, assuming he indeed develops his game enough to stay on the floor? For example, better than Francisco Elson, another 7 footer who has a decent jumper for a center? Will POB at his peak be as good as Elson in his prime?