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Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2008, 06:38:01 PM »

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Call me boring or w/e but right now we're clicking very well as a team and we have the best record, I wouldn't change anything. Idk what any additions may bring but the marbury thing I wouldnt experiment with. Another big like Mutombo or PJ, thats fine since it wont bother anybody. I wouldn't be surprised though if he went to the Lakers, they basically got Gasol for free why not Mar.

Actually, our bench is not really clicking.  Right now they are in the bottom half of the league in bench scoring, and actually are a -13 (compared to the starters who are a +1028).  This team certainly does not need any drastic changes, but could certainly use some help off the bench.

In terms of bench scoring, we are getting 16.3 points per game from TA + House. So bench scoring from our guards is fine. We don't need any help there. The problem has been a lack of scoring from our frontcourt...13 points/game from Powe/Big Baby/Scal, but Marbury isn't going to help in that regard.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2008, 06:43:28 PM »

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I have my doubts about signing a guy who's a locker room cancer, a not well respected member of the team, and a person who reportedly declined to play in a game when they were short handed. The last thing we need is that. I'm fine with keeping our current roster intact unless its to sign Mutombo or PJ.  We don't need a backup PG, we have 3 of them.  Stay away from Starbury. 

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2008, 06:52:14 PM »

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Why reward the punk with a chance at a championship?  I'd like the Celtics a little bit less if they signed Starbury.

Also, I don't think it's so clear cut that he'd help us on the court.  Sure, he has the talent to pass the ball, but will he play hard on the defensive end?  Also, wouldn't adding him risk alienating Eddie, or making Rondo insecure?

No thank you.

I don't disagree with this (some of it anyways), and when it is all said and done, I am happy with this team going forward with Cassell or even Pruitt picking up some minutes over Starbury. 

But I really think some people are short-changing the character of this team to think that they would not be able to handle a guy like Marbury on a "make good" contract, where he only needs to behave for a few months.  Perhaps the negatives outweigh the positives with him, but I just don't think he should be ruled out.
I feel the same way that Chris does. It would be hard for me to believe that this team couldn't keep Marbury in check. Other championship teams have done it (Rodman in Chicago, anyone?). The trio of KG, Pierce, and Allen have at least as much "pull" as Jordan did. KG by himself probably has as much pull with his teammates as Jordan did.

Like Chris, I'm not arguing that we should definitely do it no matter what, but we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand either.

I sympathize with Roy's feelings about not letting a punk win a title. But that's just getting greedy and prideful. I understand the whole idea of the honor, respect, etc. that comes from putting on the green jersey and I don't want to see that tarnished either. But this whole honor and respect for the game thing is something we talk about now to help us feel like we're revering the past. I love that aspect of being a Celtics fan. But at the end of the day, Red was about winning. As I recall, there were many unhappy Celtics faithful the day Red brought Dennis Johnson to town. Maybe DJ didn't have the baggage Marbury does, but there were a lot of negative perceptions of DJ and his attitude when he first came to town.

I didn't know Red (obviously), but my perception of him was that he was able to see people and ball players not for who they were, but for who they could become if they were brought into the Celtics fold. I know, it sounds of religious overtones. But who would argue that to Red, Celtics basketball was a religion?

Red wasn't stupid about giving people second chances. If the risk outweighs the reward, then don't do it. But with Marbury, I think it's possible that the reward (high) outweighs the risk (low). There's no guarantee that we repeat with the current lineup. If Marbury honestly increases the odds of repeating, you gotta do it, right? Although I will say that Roy has a point about potentially alienating Eddie or making Rondo feel insecure.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2008, 06:54:46 PM »

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Call me boring or w/e but right now we're clicking very well as a team and we have the best record, I wouldn't change anything. Idk what any additions may bring but the marbury thing I wouldnt experiment with. Another big like Mutombo or PJ, thats fine since it wont bother anybody. I wouldn't be surprised though if he went to the Lakers, they basically got Gasol for free why not Mar.

Actually, our bench is not really clicking.  Right now they are in the bottom half of the league in bench scoring, and actually are a -13 (compared to the starters who are a +1028).  This team certainly does not need any drastic changes, but could certainly use some help off the bench.

In terms of bench scoring, we are getting 16.3 points per game from TA + House. So bench scoring from our guards is fine. We don't need any help there. The problem has been a lack of scoring from our frontcourt...13 points/game from Powe/Big Baby/Scal, but Marbury isn't going to help in that regard.
He certainly would help in that regard if he can draw a big defender with his own offensive threat, thereby creating a playmaking opportunity for one of the bigs.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2008, 06:58:56 PM »

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If some miracle happens that makes him become a team player, I'm all for it!

If not - heck no.
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Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2008, 07:21:40 PM »

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NO, no, no
No bring Antoine back and no starbury.  ???  ???

what the heck, bring them BOTH in...and then trade for gerald green.  ;D

now THAT would get some threads churning on this blog.
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Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2008, 07:50:15 PM »

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Why reward the punk with a chance at a championship?  I'd like the Celtics a little bit less if they signed Starbury.

Also, I don't think it's so clear cut that he'd help us on the court.  Sure, he has the talent to pass the ball, but will he play hard on the defensive end?  Also, wouldn't adding him risk alienating Eddie, or making Rondo insecure?

No thank you.

Ditto. You don't make John Dillinger a bank guard because you need one. The evidence is too severe.

We have bigger long-term problems at the 5 behind Perkins. Sounds like there are options. Solve those, and then let's see what we've got.
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Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2008, 07:57:14 PM »

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I really can't believe anyone would be for this...the guy has done nothing but lead teams to losses his entire career, i don't care what numbers he has accumulated.  We are the best team in the league now, why take a risk?

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2008, 08:08:46 PM »

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The fact that Danny is supposedly considering this probably means that Pruitt doesn't have a future with the Celtics, though.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2008, 11:17:53 PM »

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I'm all for it.

We definitely need some bench production and with our bennch, its all smoke and miorros and maybe Eddie or Leon.  Nothing, nothing on that bench can be counted on.

If Marbury would come off the bench and play his arse off and be a team player how could you not want him?

And, by saying he wouldn't be that kind of a player, you're not giving the Big 3 any credit at all.  Do you really think that with PP, KG and RA that Marbury wouldn't listen to these guys.  I think he would.  And if he didn't, what have you got to lose...cut him.  What's the big deal?

I say get Marbury, get PJ Brown and get Dikembe.  I want another banner.

Do you guys have any idea how thin that ice is we're on?  Who's running the show out there and is constantly getting knocked down and rolls over in pain?  Rondo.

We don't have another capable PG on this team.  The whole season depends on the health of these guys and there is not one player on this team that would any reasonable facsimile to Rondo.  Not one.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2008, 11:33:06 PM »

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Why reward the punk with a chance at a championship?  I'd like the Celtics a little bit less if they signed Starbury.

Also, I don't think it's so clear cut that he'd help us on the court.  Sure, he has the talent to pass the ball, but will he play hard on the defensive end?  Also, wouldn't adding him risk alienating Eddie, or making Rondo insecure?

No thank you.

I don't disagree with this (some of it anyways), and when it is all said and done, I am happy with this team going forward with Cassell or even Pruitt picking up some minutes over Starbury. 

But I really think some people are short-changing the character of this team to think that they would not be able to handle a guy like Marbury on a "make good" contract, where he only needs to behave for a few months.  Perhaps the negatives outweigh the positives with him, but I just don't think he should be ruled out.
I feel the same way that Chris does. It would be hard for me to believe that this team couldn't keep Marbury in check. Other championship teams have done it (Rodman in Chicago, anyone?). The trio of KG, Pierce, and Allen have at least as much "pull" as Jordan did. KG by himself probably has as much pull with his teammates as Jordan did.

Rodman? Rodman was a champion before Jordan. Rodman won twice with Detroit.

Rodman is also nothing like Marbury. Rodman didn't care about stats. He cared about defending. He didn't seek to be the centerpiece. He knew he was a complimentary player. Both players might be crazy, but that seems like the only similarity. A better comparison to Rodman is Artest.

I'm also not sure how to respond to a comparison of DJ, a great defensive player, with Marbury.

The main problem with the Marbury idea is he doesn't fill a position of need. We need a backup Center, and a backup 3 in case there are games where Pierce can't go during the season. We have plenty of PGs, especially for the end of the season when Cassell might see minutes PJ Brown style.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2008, 11:48:01 PM »

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The externalities produced by players with great work ethic are grossly overrated. It's the "winners" that create an winning environment, not the other way around. Betting on the chance that Marbury has been humbled or had an epiphany recently seems more realistic to me than the "KG, RA and PP will keep him in check". Weren't they supposed to inflate desire and hunger in POB? Marbury had great teammates and great coaches in the past; it never worked for him. He was always a selfish SOB and I really don't know if he's going to stop being one in a contract year.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2008, 11:54:40 PM »

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The externalities produced by players with great work ethic are grossly overrated. It's the "winners" that create an winning environment, not the other way around. Betting on the chance that Marbury has been humbled or had an epiphany recently seems more realistic to me than the "KG, RA and PP will keep him in check". Weren't they supposed to inflate desire and hunger in POB? Marbury had great teammates and great coaches in the past; it never worked for him. He was always a selfish SOB and I really don't know if he's going to stop being one in a contract year.

I think you are misunderstanding.  It is not that KG, RA, and PP will "keep him in check", it is that the leadership on this team (and that is as much Doc and Danny, who hold the hammer of being able to cut him) will not allow any bit player to take the chemistry of the team wrong way. 

No one is changing Marbury here, there just is too strong of a foundation already built for a player in a position that Marbury would be in to be able to tear it down.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2008, 12:00:10 AM »

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The externalities produced by players with great work ethic are grossly overrated. It's the "winners" that create an winning environment, not the other way around. Betting on the chance that Marbury has been humbled or had an epiphany recently seems more realistic to me than the "KG, RA and PP will keep him in check". Weren't they supposed to inflate desire and hunger in POB? Marbury had great teammates and great coaches in the past; it never worked for him. He was always a selfish SOB and I really don't know if he's going to stop being one in a contract year.

I think you are misunderstanding.  It is not that KG, RA, and PP will "keep him in check", it is that the leadership on this team (and that is as much Doc and Danny, who hold the hammer of being able to cut him) will not allow any bit player to take the chemistry of the team wrong way. 

No one is changing Marbury here, there just is too strong of a foundation already built for a player in a position that Marbury would be in to be able to tear it down.


Marbury is really good doing what he does and I'm not talking about basketball (where he's not that good anymore). The mere act of signing him would cause chemistry problems.

Re: Should we go for Stephon Marbury?
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2008, 12:01:34 AM »

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Antoine and Motombo are players that we could use, antoine could go for pierce at the 3, motombo could solidify the second unit. and both would play with hunger (Motombo doesn't have a ring, and Walker just wants to play, not to mention return to his old team) Both of those are good stories.

Marbury coming to the celtics, complaining about playing time, talking contracts and money with our young guys, jacking up shots instead of getting into the offense, lack of coverage on defense. NO