If offered would you trade Cassel for a 1st round pick this offseason?

[Roy Hobbs]

Cassel has played four seasons, right?  If so, then he'll become an unrestricted free agent. 

Restricted free agency only affects players entering free agency who have three years or less of experience.

[yall hate]

Cassell is a FA next year, so its a moot point...but if that weren't the case I absolutely would do it.

Unfortunately, Cassell will be gone next year, and we won't be getting anything in return.

Not quite, the Patriots will give him the Franchise tag if they think they can get a 1st round pick out of him. I could definitely see that happening and hopefully it does.

No way they give him the franchise tag.  As good as he has been, he is not worth being paid $10 million per year, and that is what they would be stuck with.  All the franchise tag would do would disuade other teams from signing him, forcing the Pats to have the most overpaid backup QB in the league.

Yea, that would likely be the worst thing ever.  If they offered it, he would sign the tender in 1 second, and we would be screwed.  no way.

[crownsy]

Cassell is a FA next year, so its a moot point...but if that weren't the case I absolutely would do it.

Unfortunately, Cassell will be gone next year, and we won't be getting anything in return.

Not quite, the Patriots will give him the Franchise tag if they think they can get a 1st round pick out of him. I could definitely see that happening and hopefully it does.

10 million for a guy who a team could sign for 4?

doubt that. no way a team will trade for a guy with a 10 million dollar contract who's shown one decent year in a system with the weopens the pats have. to much of a risk for a young team.


franchsing him would be a bad move, it nails our cap for 10 mill, and takes him off the market since no one is going to want to make a trade to rent that for a year.

[ederson]

A little of topic

I got in this thread from the Latest Forum Topics box on the right side of the site

I`ve read  almost all the posts and i couldn`t make sense out of it. Although i`m an Am. football illiterate i know Brady but i couldn`t understand something. Why Brady`s come back has anything to do with Cassel?  A Pat roster  change affects the Celtics roster? How? Chaos theory may have an explanation about this.

Trying to figure this out i saw the forum category
Off Topic -> Patriots / Football
Now  everything is clear.
 

[guava_wrench]

Cassell is a FA next year, so its a moot point...but if that weren't the case I absolutely would do it.

Unfortunately, Cassell will be gone next year, and we won't be getting anything in return.

Not quite, the Patriots will give him the Franchise tag if they think they can get a 1st round pick out of him. I could definitely see that happening and hopefully it does.

Do you realize that the franchise tag guarantees one of the tome contracts in the player's position? 0% chance of that happening with such a mediocre player. They could offer him half that and he would probably bite.

That being said, I hope they do tag him as a franchise player, since I hate the pats.

[Donoghus]

Cassell is a FA next year, so its a moot point...but if that weren't the case I absolutely would do it.

Unfortunately, Cassell will be gone next year, and we won't be getting anything in return.

Not quite, the Patriots will give him the Franchise tag if they think they can get a 1st round pick out of him. I could definitely see that happening and hopefully it does.

Do you realize that the franchise tag guarantees one of the tome contracts in the player's position? 0% chance of that happening with such a mediocre player. They could offer him half that and he would probably bite.

That being said, I hope they do tag him as a franchise player, since I hate the pats.

Considering the track record of front office of the Pats, you won't be seeing them set the franchise tag on Cassel. 

[Donoghus]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

[nickagneta]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

Unless Bill Belichick is 1000% convinced that this is true, I don't see him putting a franchise tag on Cassel. But if he does think that Cassel will get $10 million+ per year in free agency and he wants the luxury of sending Cassel out of the division or conference, then he will franchise him. And in doing so, he will definitely get a first round pick for him.

Look at it this way, name one current college player is a proven NFL QB and is a guarantee to throw for 400 yards and 3 touchdons in one game his first year. The answer is none. Cassel has succeeded at QB playing against NFL caliber defenses and is currently playing better football and putting up better QB ratings than these NFL QBs:

Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins
Marc Bulger

Three of those guys have played in SBs. Two have won SBs. One is currently leading an undefeated team. One is an MVP.

If he can guide a team to a 6-4 record and have a better QB rating than those guys, teams would definitely prefer the known entity over the unknown at the QB position, any day of the week.

[steve]

matt cassel is not that good.  He's gotten better but he still over throws everybody.  He's not worth a first round pick.  Yeah he hit randy in the endzone to tie it but maybe if he didn't miss him the 5 other times when he was open we wouldn't have lost. 

[Fafnir]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

Unless Bill Belichick is 1000% convinced that this is true, I don't see him putting a franchise tag on Cassel. But if he does think that Cassel will get $10 million+ per year in free agency and he wants the luxury of sending Cassel out of the division or conference, then he will franchise him. And in doing so, he will definitely get a first round pick for him.

Look at it this way, name one current college player is a proven NFL QB and is a guarantee to throw for 400 yards and 3 touchdons in one game his first year. The answer is none. Cassel has succeeded at QB playing against NFL caliber defenses and is currently playing better football and putting up better QB ratings than these NFL QBs:

Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins
Marc Bulger

Three of those guys have played in SBs. Two have won SBs. One is currently leading an undefeated team. One is an MVP.

If he can guide a team to a 6-4 record and have a better QB rating than those guys, teams would definitely prefer the known entity over the unknown at the QB position, any day of the week.

Derek Anderson of last year would like to have a word with you.

QBs are for the most part very inconsistent in their play. Only a handful are very good for the majority of their careers. Giving a backup like Cassel big money after one year on a talented team would be a bad idea.

Someone will probably do it though!

[nickagneta]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

Unless Bill Belichick is 1000% convinced that this is true, I don't see him putting a franchise tag on Cassel. But if he does think that Cassel will get $10 million+ per year in free agency and he wants the luxury of sending Cassel out of the division or conference, then he will franchise him. And in doing so, he will definitely get a first round pick for him.

Look at it this way, name one current college player is a proven NFL QB and is a guarantee to throw for 400 yards and 3 touchdons in one game his first year. The answer is none. Cassel has succeeded at QB playing against NFL caliber defenses and is currently playing better football and putting up better QB ratings than these NFL QBs:

Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins
Marc Bulger

Three of those guys have played in SBs. Two have won SBs. One is currently leading an undefeated team. One is an MVP.

If he can guide a team to a 6-4 record and have a better QB rating than those guys, teams would definitely prefer the known entity over the unknown at the QB position, any day of the week.

Derek Anderson of last year would like to have a word with you.

QBs are for the most part very inconsistent in their play. Only a handful are very good for the majority of their careers. Giving a backup like Cassel big money after one year on a talented team would be a bad idea.

Someone will probably do it though!

While I agree with you, that doesn't mean that desperate GMs won't continue to make the same mistakes over and over again and sign players that aren't worth big bucks to big bucks contracts and give up high draft picks for them.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

Unless Bill Belichick is 1000% convinced that this is true, I don't see him putting a franchise tag on Cassel. But if he does think that Cassel will get $10 million+ per year in free agency and he wants the luxury of sending Cassel out of the division or conference, then he will franchise him. And in doing so, he will definitely get a first round pick for him.

Look at it this way, name one current college player is a proven NFL QB and is a guarantee to throw for 400 yards and 3 touchdons in one game his first year. The answer is none. Cassel has succeeded at QB playing against NFL caliber defenses and is currently playing better football and putting up better QB ratings than these NFL QBs:

Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins
Marc Bulger

Three of those guys have played in SBs. Two have won SBs. One is currently leading an undefeated team. One is an MVP.

If he can guide a team to a 6-4 record and have a better QB rating than those guys, teams would definitely prefer the known entity over the unknown at the QB position, any day of the week.

Derek Anderson of last year would like to have a word with you.

QBs are for the most part very inconsistent in their play. Only a handful are very good for the majority of their careers. Giving a backup like Cassel big money after one year on a talented team would be a bad idea.

Someone will probably do it though!

While I agree with you, that doesn't mean that desperate GMs won't continue to make the same mistakes over and over again and sign players that aren't worth big bucks to big bucks contracts and give up high draft picks for them.

Detroit Lions, line 1.

Detroit, San Francisco, Kansas City, St. Louis, Minnesota... Any of these teams would give up a first round pick for Matt Cassel.

[crownsy]

Saw this on Profootballtalk.com today.  Thought I'd bump this and clear up some of the confusion concerning Cassel's contract status

Adam Schefter of NFL Network predicts that Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel will be looking for a contract that falls in the six-year, $65 million range once Cassel hits free agency in March.

That’s what Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers recently received, and the two quarterbacks have similar stats through similar playing time in 2008, their first seasons of on-field action.

And they have the same agent, David Dunn.

But we see once big difference.  Cassel will be trying to get paid when the cash flows in early March, not while still having one-plus seasons under contract.  As a practical matter, then, he’ll be in position to command even more.

Especially if a scramble breaks out for his services.

As we recently explained, the Patriots probably would apply the franchise tag to Cassel, and then trade him.  (If nothing else, it would be a wise strategy for keeping him out of the clutches of the Jets.)  Still, a new contract would be part of the broader transaction, and the Rodgers deal could end up being the starting point for the discussions.

Unless Bill Belichick is 1000% convinced that this is true, I don't see him putting a franchise tag on Cassel. But if he does think that Cassel will get $10 million+ per year in free agency and he wants the luxury of sending Cassel out of the division or conference, then he will franchise him. And in doing so, he will definitely get a first round pick for him.

Look at it this way, name one current college player is a proven NFL QB and is a guarantee to throw for 400 yards and 3 touchdons in one game his first year. The answer is none. Cassel has succeeded at QB playing against NFL caliber defenses and is currently playing better football and putting up better QB ratings than these NFL QBs:

Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins
Marc Bulger

Three of those guys have played in SBs. Two have won SBs. One is currently leading an undefeated team. One is an MVP.

If he can guide a team to a 6-4 record and have a better QB rating than those guys, teams would definitely prefer the known entity over the unknown at the QB position, any day of the week.

Derek Anderson of last year would like to have a word with you.

QBs are for the most part very inconsistent in their play. Only a handful are very good for the majority of their careers. Giving a backup like Cassel big money after one year on a talented team would be a bad idea.

Someone will probably do it though!

While I agree with you, that doesn't mean that desperate GMs won't continue to make the same mistakes over and over again and sign players that aren't worth big bucks to big bucks contracts and give up high draft picks for them.

Detroit Lions, line 1.

Detroit, San Francisco, Kansas City, St. Louis, Minnesota... Any of these teams would give up a first round pick for Matt Cassel.

Not with a francise contract they won't. and with no contract other than that, they'll just take a run at him in FA.

He's going to make FA, pats aren't going to tag him, and he's not going to sign as a backup.

[Roy Hobbs]

Detroit, San Francisco, Kansas City, St. Louis, Minnesota... Any of these teams would give up a first round pick for Matt Cassel.

Minnesota, maybe.  I doubt the other teams are going to give up a top-five pick for Cassel, especially in conjunction with paying him $10 million per season for one decent season.

[nickagneta]

Yeah, no one is going to give up a top 5 pick but Detroit might give up their top second round pick and still pay the $10 million. The problem with thinking that teams won't pay $10 million a year for Cassel is that one Matt Schaub, Derek Anderson, and a bunch of other backups have gotten big bucks for that same one good year or less.Now factor in what players like JaMarcus Russell, Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Aaron Rodgers are making and suddenly thought thought of franchising Cassel and then getting a draft pick in return for his services before having to sign him isn't such a far fetched idea.