Perfect example of whats wrong with parents and little kid sports

[cdif911]

I always looked forward to playing against the better players, it makes a great challange, and I feel you get up for those games.  It also gives you a measuring stick for yourself and a goal to be as good as that other player.

[cdif911]

this just in, 4th grader banned from math class because he was getting all the problems right. it scared the other kids, so their parents came together and said he should be forced into 5th grade - you heard it here first

I took a higher math then other classmates? 



terrible example. 

do you want a cookie?

the point was the kid was being forced into a position he didn't want to be in. If you're good at math and want to step up a level awesome, but other kids and their parents shouldn't dictate your choices

[wdleehi]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

why take the field then, as the opposing team?

because you wanted to make a show and walk off to show up the other teams coach and parents.

if you wanted to do it quietly and not make a scene, its not like you couldn't have gone up asked "you going to throw him? yes? ok, then we don't play. sorry man"

You take the field because you are there to play.  



The adults in this are acting terrible.  Both sides.  



They were told days before that he could not pitch.  That the league would not put other kids up to bat against him.  

[wdleehi]

this just in, 4th grader banned from math class because he was getting all the problems right. it scared the other kids, so their parents came together and said he should be forced into 5th grade - you heard it here first

I took a higher math then other classmates? 



terrible example. 

do you want a cookie?

the point was the kid was being forced into a position he didn't want to be in. If you're good at math and want to step up a level awesome, but other kids and their parents shouldn't dictate your choices

I never heard of another kid in math class be in danger of being hit by a baseball coming at them faster then they are capable of dealing with. 


Parents will dictate whether or not their child steps in the batters box against him. 


And yes, I want a cookie.  it will go well with my lunch. 

[cdif911]

The reason you teach and play everyone is you don't know how it will turn out in the long run. And aften when a kid quits, he isn't the quitter. It is the coach that is the quitter because he gave up on the kid.  

this is a terrific point.  I coach kids who are a little older, so there definitely is less of an even playing time dynamic, but I do make sure everyone plays long enough - usually my rule of thumb in basketball is 3 mistakes before a player comes out and we talk about what he did wrong - one thing I always tell the kids is force me to not take you out

but with younger kids, I believe in equal playing time at the positions they want to play (and also at ones where they may have potential) which is why this kid should be pitching - now should he pitch every inning, every game? no, that's not fair to the others on his team, but he should have an equal opportunity.

I think a lot of parents get caught up in their kids teams, and try to live or relive past glory through their 7 year olds... they do need to see the big picture, that the kids are there to have fun, learn and develop.  I do think winning and losing are important too, even at a 9 year old level, it is very important to know what it feels like to win and lose, and to do both well - its a big charactar developer

[oldmanspeaks]

math example was horrible. My friend's kid was in 10 grade and took his math in college because he was so advanced. My Einstein IQ brother only showed up in class to take the tests.

By the way, I fear for some of the bloggers kids. I was one of the most competitive people on the planet during my life and have broken my body a zillion different ways. I strived to take on the toughest competition. However at 8-9, I was the typical scared kid that needed encouragement and not to be destroyed. I always understood the difference depending on what league I was coaching in. To not recognize who you are dealing with is a disaster for kids. I don't care if it is football, baseball, math or life in general. It has nothing to do with "leveling the playing field". It has to doing the best for the kid's development at that age/skill level. You treat the monster differently than the scared wimp. Because in 10 years the scared wimp may be the monster and the monster may have topped out at 12. (there are a lot of 12 year old superstars who never get better).  

[BigThreePeat]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

and the lesson they are teaching him is... if you're too good at something, everyone else will quit... yeah that is a bad lesson to teach

They have taught him that he should not challenge himself (by not going to a higher league.  Better to be a superstar in the lowest level)

They have taught him to ignore authority when they sent him out there when they were told he could not.  (he could have just played another position till they worked this out)

They have taught him (and his teammates) to quit when someone makes a decision you don't like (disbanding the team)

They have taught him to carry on when things do not go his way.  (his mother carrying on to the point of calling the police?)



lets be honest, no one seems to be coming out well in this.  

My feeling is that it's the kid's call.  If he'd rather dominate against his peers, so be it.  It was his decision to make.   And if the league broke their own rules, because his dominance was "unfair" or other teams were jealous... I don't blame them for teaching the kid to stand up against bogus authority and to stand up for what is right.  

I know that dominant Warren Jackson kid stayed playing in our league mainly because he was friends with so many of them.   That's the reason he joined the league in the first place... to play with his friends.   We were kids.  If some jealous coach had tried to get Warren removed from the league based on him being "too good", I wouldn't blame him for protesting the league.  The league was wrong.

I'm trying to remember where I have seen this before.  I'm pretty sure I saw it in a movie.  I think it was a movie about a boy genius.  It might have been Chasing Bobby Fischer or something... where they forced the kid to leave his friends and school to go to an ivy league college.   I dunno... I might be confusing it with a couple other movies... a little bit of the child genius in Magnolia, Good Will Hunting... and some other movie I can't really think of.   But I'm pretty sure this topic has been addressed before... people forcing the kid out, because he's "too good" and it offends the fragile sensibilities of the weaker competition.

[crownsy]

The point was when I got hit between the eyes, I wasn't 9. I have a ton of permanent sports injuries but again, I wasn't 9. And it is possible to have championships in intructional leagues if the coaches use common sense.
I coached offensive line in youth football(young kids-I coached differently with 12 year olds) and we had one of the best teams. However we would have won every single game if I had simply ignored the weaker players and played only my best. We had the best running back and my best line would have been unstoppable. However by carefully managing my line, we were still a top team and a few laters some of my weaker players got more developed and went to to be good player. (and more importantly some of the better players topped out). The reason you teach and play everyone is you don't know how it will turn out in the long run. And aften when a kid quits, he isn't the quitter. It is the coach that is the quitter because he gave up on the kid.  

which is exactly what every coach in this league is doing to this kid, making him quit. lets look at what was the facts reported in this, not what we infer from our own bais.

1. he was offred a spot on the "best team" and turned it down. this was confirmed on mike and mike, apperntly this "top team" is known as the best team in the league, and is every year. Sound s alittle competitive to be a "purley instructional league"

2. The "purley instructional league" isn't in the league's charter. the only one calling it that in the story are the leage officals, who now need a way to explain away the offer from the officals own team early in the year and the abrupt turnaround. again, sounds pretty CYA to me.

3. someone is "quitting" the kid who has talent. he's being forced to. he has to quit pitching, somethign he really likes, or move up 4 years to play with older kids he doesn't know and may be medicore with. great way to develop an 8 year old, strip away his confidance, and then throw him to 12- and 13 year olds. that will show him.

also, the point of your "hit in the face" story, much like the football story you told with the hulk, as me and CDF pointed out, doesn't relate.

1. you were hit by a much faster warm-up pitch from your own teamate. (you stated you were older, 40 mph isn't fast. go lob a ball in the back yard, i will bet you 1000$ thats somewhere around 40. how does that relate to this one iota? that could happen at any level, its a freak accident. it could happen if a coach was warming a kid up at 8 years old. i certainyl didn't mean to hit my brother this summer. were talking about a kid with helmet on and everything. it would sting alot if it hit you somewhere, to be sure, but this "omg it could kill a kid!!!!" vibe your going with is just not feasable.

2. kids have to wear a "full cage" batting helmet now, by law, so what you describe couldn't happen anyway. i guess this league could be flaunting a multi-million dollar law suit and going without any helmets, or the old open face ones but i doubt it.

[cdif911]

math example was horrible. My friend's kid was in 10 grade and took his math in college because he was so advanced. My Einstein IQ brother only showed up in class to take the tests.

By the way, I fear for some of the bloggers kids. I was one of the most competitive people on the planet during my life and have broken my body a zillion different ways. I strived to take on the toughest competition. However at 8-9, I was the typical scared kid that needed encouragement and not to be destroyed. I always understood the difference depending on what league I was coaching in. To not recognize who you are dealing with is a disaster for kids. I don't care if it is football, baseball, math or life in general. It has nothing to do with "leveling the playing field". It has to doing the best for the kid's development at that age/skill level. You treat the monster differently than the scared wimp. Because in 10 years the scared wimp may be the monster and the monster may have topped out at 12. (there are a lot of 12 year old superstars who never get better).  

read the post - math example was if the other student's parents forced the kid out of the classroom - I'm all for playing up to a level you are comfortable with, but no one should be forced above their level, especially a pre-teen - as far as the 12 year old superstar goes - again you're right, I've seen this phenomenon a lot, usually its a kid who hits his or her developmental period early and thus dominates a sport - I think a lot of times though they believe their own hype and become complacent, don't work as hard as the 10th kid on the bench, and thus when the bodies even out they dont' have the skill the kids around them have developed while growing

[wdleehi]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

and the lesson they are teaching him is... if you're too good at something, everyone else will quit... yeah that is a bad lesson to teach

They have taught him that he should not challenge himself (by not going to a higher league.  Better to be a superstar in the lowest level)

They have taught him to ignore authority when they sent him out there when they were told he could not.  (he could have just played another position till they worked this out)

They have taught him (and his teammates) to quit when someone makes a decision you don't like (disbanding the team)

They have taught him to carry on when things do not go his way.  (his mother carrying on to the point of calling the police?)



lets be honest, no one seems to be coming out well in this.  

My feeling is that it's the kid's call.  If he'd rather dominate against his peers, so be it.  It was his decision to make.   And if the league broke their own rules, because his dominance was "unfair" or other teams were jealous... I don't blame them for teaching the kid to stand up against bogus authority and to stand up for what is right.  

I know that dominant Warren Jackson kid stayed playing in our league mainly, because he was friends with so many of them.   That's the reason he joined the league in the first place... to play with his friends.   We were kids.  If some jealous coach had tried to get Warren removed from the league based on him being "too good", I wouldn't blame him for protesting the league.  The league was wrong.

I'm trying to remember where I have seen this before.  I'm pretty sure I saw it in a movie.  I think it was a movie about a boy genius.  It might have been Chasing Bobby Fischer or something... where they forced the kid to leave his friends and school to go to an ivy league college.   I dunno... I might be confusing it with a couple other movies... a little bit of the child genius in Magnolia, Good Will Hunting... and some other movie I can't really think of.   But I'm pretty sure this topic has been addressed before... people forcing the kid out, because he's "too good" and it offends the fragile sensibilities of the weaker competition.

Then he should have just played, and not pitched.  


Then the parents and the coach could go to the league and find out and argue about him pitching.  




But instead, the coach and the parents wanted to put on a show so they could get in the news.  

[crownsy]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

why take the field then, as the opposing team?

because you wanted to make a show and walk off to show up the other teams coach and parents.

if you wanted to do it quietly and not make a scene, its not like you couldn't have gone up asked "you going to throw him? yes? ok, then we don't play. sorry man"

You take the field because you are there to play.  



The adults in this are acting terrible.  Both sides.  



They were told days before that he could not pitch.  That the league would not put other kids up to bat against him.  

so was the other coach, but he chose to make a point about how macho he was by putting his team out there to walk off apperntly.

both coaches were idiots, but considering if what you say here is the case, the guy who walked his team off knew in advance, he could have called ahead and cancled. but that wouldn't have been hard core.

better to show up and make a point.

[wdleehi]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

why take the field then, as the opposing team?

because you wanted to make a show and walk off to show up the other teams coach and parents.

if you wanted to do it quietly and not make a scene, its not like you couldn't have gone up asked "you going to throw him? yes? ok, then we don't play. sorry man"

You take the field because you are there to play.  



The adults in this are acting terrible.  Both sides.  



They were told days before that he could not pitch.  That the league would not put other kids up to bat against him.  

so was the other coach, but he chose to make a point about how macho he was by putting his team out there to walk off apperntly.

both coaches were idiots, but considering if what you say here is the case, the guy who walked his team off knew in advance, he could have called ahead and cancled. but that wouldn't have been hard core.

better to show up and make a point.

How did he know the kid was going to be put out there to pitch?   The kid was still allowed to play.  Just not pitch. 

[crownsy]

math example was horrible. My friend's kid was in 10 grade and took his math in college because he was so advanced. My Einstein IQ brother only showed up in class to take the tests.

By the way, I fear for some of the bloggers kids. I was one of the most competitive people on the planet during my life and have broken my body a zillion different ways. I strived to take on the toughest competition. However at 8-9, I was the typical scared kid that needed encouragement and not to be destroyed. I always understood the difference depending on what league I was coaching in. To not recognize who you are dealing with is a disaster for kids. I don't care if it is football, baseball, math or life in general. It has nothing to do with "leveling the playing field". It has to doing the best for the kid's development at that age/skill level. You treat the monster differently than the scared wimp. Because in 10 years the scared wimp may be the monster and the monster may have topped out at 12. (there are a lot of 12 year old superstars who never get better).  

right, because your scenario of the hulk at age 9 playing football with his massive super strength, crushing all in his path,  was much more reasonable.

also, that was pretty clearly a joke.

[cdif911]

 i certainyl didn't mean to hit my brother this summer. were talking about a kid with helmet on and everything. it would sting alot if it hit you somewhere, to be sure, but this "omg it could kill a kid!!!!" vibe your going with is just not feasable.

I remember one time playing basketball with my older brother (about 5 years older) and he hucked the ball at my umm sensitive region - that wasn't cool at all. No wonder I like him so little

[crownsy]

40 mph is how fast most adults "lob" a baseball. put on on of those cage helmets that the law requires they wear and bounce one off it, you wouldn't even feel it.

also, having your entire team walk off the field and making a kid feel like a praiah in front of his friends for ruining thier baseball game isn't a show?

intersting.

That is the fault of the pitchers coach and parents.  They were told he could not pitch.  They were told the other children would not face him.


They decided to make a show of it.  They put him out there when they knew what would happen.  


They are not doing this kid any favors.  They are teaching a very bad lesson.  



This is something that needed to be dealt with between the adults before the game.  Not with the kid during the game.  

why take the field then, as the opposing team?

because you wanted to make a show and walk off to show up the other teams coach and parents.

if you wanted to do it quietly and not make a scene, its not like you couldn't have gone up asked "you going to throw him? yes? ok, then we don't play. sorry man"

You take the field because you are there to play.  



The adults in this are acting terrible.  Both sides.  



They were told days before that he could not pitch.  That the league would not put other kids up to bat against him.  

so was the other coach, but he chose to make a point about how macho he was by putting his team out there to walk off apperntly.

both coaches were idiots, but considering if what you say here is the case, the guy who walked his team off knew in advance, he could have called ahead and cancled. but that wouldn't have been hard core.

better to show up and make a point.

How did he know the kid was going to be put out there to pitch?   The kid was still allowed to play.  Just not pitch. 

i would have gone with a phone call.

but were debating as resonable people. as you said, both coaches are jack offs heh.